Halo 1 & 2 for PC
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The Xbox version runs well. Any technical problems in Halo PC are solely because of the conversion process.

Not all of them are necessarily Gearbox's fault - trying to make an Xbox game run on all different kinds of PC is difficult.

Granted. Which is why Gearbox shares no small part in this blame game circle. Unfortunatly, they ignore the Halo PC issue altogether, all the way down to their standard forum users. CE is Gearboxes baby; they've washed their hands with PC. When contacting the Gearbox forums, this is the bulk of what we hear. "It's a Bungie thing, not Gearbox. Read this from the Bungie website, they as much as admit it."

I've looked, but can't find anything to nail these posters ears back. If you can set down a link that shows Gearbox holds proprietary responsibility for its port, not Bungie as the primary liscense holder, then I can take that into their forums when I next go there. Otherwise, they will continue to send me, and everyone else, right back here.

Bungie doesn't really have an official contact point (most developers don't, and the Webmaster doesn't count).
But the tech support links are listed here. And while they adsolve themselves from blame on Mac issues, Bungie has not (in their own website to my knowledge) ever claimed absolution for Halo PC. Gearbox is only listed for Editing comments, I think a primarily Custom Edition thing now. Security patches are listed here, a vital upgrade for halo PC. Whether you or Bungie wishes it or not, BUNGIE is the start of this chain.
Typically, I've sent my emails through those links, reporting IP Jumper TeamKillers as bug exploiters, lag issues, etc, etc. I've tried others, but those are the best line of contact open to me, that I see, for contacting Microsoft about Halo PC problems. Remember, when I say Bungie, I now include it as a subsidiary of Microsoft, and so one (in this case accurate) avenue of grousing. I can't very well contact Microsoft's Windows tech support and expect an answer from them on a halo PC problem. So I try to start at the source. And to me, the source looks like Bungie. if it's not, if Bungie and Microsoft do not hold the keys to halo PCs issues, as gearbox wants to claim, point me to proof.

Bottom line: Bungie is the first stop in the release of security patches for halo PC. If they aren't the ones making these upgrades for the game, who is? If Bungie can make security patches to halo PC netcode, they can install programs like punkbuster to assist people on the TK problem, patch the auto-lead hack (after a month of one or two programers designing a mirror of the app to make it safe and user friendly) into the game as a "fix' to the lag issue, killing the aimbot and lag birds with one throw as it were. And if they can, then they should.

[Edited on 10/23/2005]

  • 10.23.2005 6:28 PM PDT
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dude just face it bungie hates us and they could care less about halo pc

  • 10.23.2005 7:26 PM PDT
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Is it possible that Bungie doesnt know about these problems? By the looks of it they never come in here and it doesnt seem possible to actualy contact them.

  • 10.24.2005 3:02 AM PDT

Minus sign and I (and obviously many others) have contacted bungie through many ways, by tech support links and also other links.

No-one has ever received a decent response, and getting a response is rare.

Tech support is handled by Microsoft, not Bungie (while Bungie is owned by Microsoft, it's still a separate studio). Let me re-iterate this once again: since Bungie has no official means of direct contact, you cannot expect a response from them when you try an unofficial one.

  • 10.24.2005 9:08 AM PDT

Are the forums the only way of letting bungie know about problems? Or is there no way at all?
I thought this was made clear by my statement before.

There is no official way of letting Bungie know about problems. That's the most accurate thing I can say. If you're after a response from an employee, then you can't expect to get one here, or anywhere else.

This also means that you can't keep complaining about not getting a response. If there were an official means of contact, and you weren't getting a response, you would have every right to complain. But since no official channel exists, you can't expect to get a response from any channel you have tried to use.

Bungie aren't ignoring you - they simply don't have an official way to voice your concerns.

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  • 10.24.2005 12:39 PM PDT
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I believe that its been established; we know this forum is not an official means of contacting Bungie or Microsoft about in-game problems. The fact is, there is no official way to contact either of them in regards to in-gmae cheaters in Halo PC. One exisits for Halo 2, but not for this, the PC remake of their most popular game.

We've tried what official channels are open and recieved little or no response. We now seek unofficial channels to get eh answers we're seeking

But these do not answer the pertinant questions I've asked.

1. Who made the security patches for Halo PC? Did Bungie make them, or was it another section of M$? This question is pertenant in finding out who to contact, as it is that group which has already changed the netcode to Halo PC seven times, that we need to get to the changes we want.

2. Does gearbox still have any legal right to change the netcode for halo PC? If they have no right to change the game, it would follow that they would make something like Halo Custom Edition to appease their fans. but if they do, then halo CE is just a cop out, a way to break from the Dial-up user friendly netcode by creating a program too big for any dial-up user to download.

3. Who, exactly, makes the final decision as to what gets fixed in regards to this game? What department of which of these three companies? Half-Life, a game as old as Halo XBOX still has active tech support through Steam. I find it hard to believe that a company as big as M$ can't scrape up the funds to provide a tech base for fixing problems in a game of this size and continued popularity. Microsoft Game Studio is a big monkey, and we are but simple fact finders, asking questions in our spare time.

If you don't want us in this forum, tell us where to go to get the answers we seek. If you don't know the answer or cannot find it, tell us that. If you aren't allowed to tell us, tell us that.

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  • 10.24.2005 2:30 PM PDT

I will take your post as saying there is no more support for halo. Seeing as there is no way to let bungie know about our concerns, thats the only answer left.
I know I didn't say that.

By the way, guys, I know as much as you do about the politics surrounding Halo PC.

  • 10.25.2005 9:45 AM PDT
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We understand where you are coming from Goweb. But the fact of the matter is you are more than likely closer to the source than any of us. I'm sure you will get a response much easier than we ever will. We have voiced our concerns in many ways. It has not helped. Can't you pass the word on to the "Right" sources that are capable of tackling these issues. We are commited Halo fans that deserve an answer.

Any help will be much appreciated.

  • 10.25.2005 10:04 AM PDT

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We understand where you are coming from Goweb. But the fact of the matter is you are more than likely closer to the source than any of us. I'm sure you will get a response much easier than we ever will. We have voiced our concerns in many ways. It has not helped. Can't you pass the word on to the "Right" sources that are capable of tackling these issues. We are commited Halo fans that deserve an answer.

I have no means to contact any of the people directly involved with this.

  • 10.25.2005 10:51 AM PDT
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you know a while back Mard had all the Maw guys go to microsoft.com and complete a servey on Halo, after about a month or so we got the last 1.07 update, maybe we should do something like that again. ;)
-Ender DA

  • 10.25.2005 2:15 PM PDT
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1. Who made the security patches for Halo PC?

2. Does Gearbox still have any legal right to change the netcode for halo PC?

3. Who, exactly, makes the final decision as to what gets fixed in regards to this or any other game? What department of Microsoft? Please be more specific.

So far, all answers are the usual "I don't know/cn't find out any better than you". Are you posting in response to these questions? Are you researching the answers and I need to be more patient? All these responses are a little genaric; I'm not sure if you're talking to me, about me, or just telling everyone to back off.

EDIT: surprisingly, every attempt to contact the Halo PC microsoft support site now ends with "The Requested Page is not Available" This is new from the last time I attempted using the support site to report this issue. I've tried in IE and Firefox. neither can reach the page for tech Halo tech help anymore.

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  • 10.26.2005 1:26 AM PDT

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Bungie really needs to read the forms. i know the moderators have no power as far as the game gose. what we are asking is for just someone from Gearbox or bungie to say clearly we are not doing anymore patchs, or say they are going to work on patchs thats basicly it . so far we getting a rotten deal, halo pc seems to be only made to gather more money from people who don't own a xbox. if u dont like all these problems go to half life 2 it is smoother and better looking.

remember when people were looking to see if halo 2 were coming to the pc. bungie finely said somthing after a spam explosion.

  • 10.26.2005 9:11 AM PDT

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