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are we still gonna have ranks? Or are those gonna be deleted too?

  • 10.19.2005 2:57 PM PDT
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Good riddance. Team Hardcore seems to be enjoyable so far. I've already played a few MLG pros on Hardcore, the longer they stay on all the playlists is a good indicator to whether this aleviates some of the cheating or not.

  • 10.19.2005 3:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: DevoutTerror
are we still gonna have ranks? Or are those gonna be deleted too?


They didn't say anything about ranks being deleted. ONLY leaderboards so calm down.

  • 10.19.2005 4:01 PM PDT
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dope move bungie. The community will rise again. Believe in us as we believe in you.

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  • 10.19.2005 4:47 PM PDT
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being a legit 32, this is like a dream come true. who needs leaderboards boards anyway if u know that 95% of the names cheated at one point

  • 10.19.2005 6:14 PM PDT
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THERE should still be a leaderboards cause the cheaters dont care too much about the leaders they care that there a high rank. Plus i like looking at what people do to get there lvls and i like looking at the legit players games i was on the leaderboards in team preview 300 and somethin place

xSLAUGHT3Rx Legit 31

  • 10.19.2005 7:18 PM PDT
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I never got around to looking at the leaderboards.
Never felt the need to check them out.
I won't miss them.

  • 10.19.2005 8:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: DevoutTerror
are we still gonna have ranks? Or are those gonna be deleted too?


From the friggin' article:
"You will still keep your rankings and your stats as a token of your l337 skillz."

  • 10.19.2005 8:58 PM PDT
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Yes this may stop cheaters from displaying thier point less ability.
But it wont stop them.
AT ALL.

  • 10.19.2005 9:03 PM PDT
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Not trying to bring peoples hopes down. But removing the leaderboards or removing rank are not going to end cheating. The problem is, a cheaters a cheater. you think that act under the reason of wanting the highest rank. The problems is that is not true for all cheaters. Some people cheat just for the hell of it. they find fun in cheating and taking away the leaderboard or hiding rank is not going to change these people. Some people don't cheat to win, they merely cheat for personal asumement or because they can. I doubt we will see any quick changes in the number of cheaters modders hackers etc... you know halo is not the only game were cheating exists. people have cheated in other multiplayer games even when there was no reward such as a rank. they cheated because they though it was fun, the only way some people can ever have fun is if they have the advatage. they are the sore loser crowd that can't find fun in losing. they don't have to care about rank because they just only want to win. So in the end, we will never truely get rid of cheaters. you can't force everyone in the world to think universally, respect others, and enjoy playing fair.

  • 10.19.2005 11:00 PM PDT
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I don't understand the reason for cheating, i just play Halo2 for fun though there will be the ocassional trash talker and I would get a little serious to bust their a$$. I Just like playing halo with RL(Real Life) friends its fun being in our own house talking and playing not having to talk on the phone, we get to talk to each other and have fun at the same time. I'm A Legit 31 but i would of been a way higher rank but the cheaters never let me rank up but i really don't care. I Did not only pay $50 to play Halo2 on Xbox live, there are plenty of other live games out there that are also fun to play. Though in my opinion of the leaderboards is that it was a great move i was happy that bungie decided to remove the leaderboards but at the same time most of the cheaters don't even care about coming online and checking their stats their just care about that number next to their name an love to brag about the the skillz they do not have. I Believe Halo 3 should have some kind of ranking system, just to seperate the beginner's from the pro's.

There is 1 thing I truly hate which is never gonna stop is people online calling me a -blam!-/mexican just b/c i speak spanish(I'm Dominican) but i was born in the US, also saying go get your green card seriously how ridiculous are these people, so ignorant. Though I do not let it get to my head, I really don't pay attention to morons like that I just laugh about it with my friends.

[Edited on 10/20/2005]

  • 10.20.2005 12:41 AM PDT
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see your wrong i have seen legit 48s and the own u have not seen them cause u a noob and yes i am a legit 38 now

  • 10.20.2005 4:47 AM PDT
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I LOVE BUNGIE though it is sad that you had to demolish the leaderboards to prevent cheating it is a great start. The leaderbards are a good way to show that you have a higher amount of skill than other players but if you cheated to get there what has been proven? Any way I am confident in my skills and I know that if it werent for modders and people who boost up their buddies I would be in the leaderboards. My whole problem is after you get modded up to a high rank and you try to play on your own you WILL GET OWNED! Why? Because you dont have the skills to compete and im sick of getting matched up with teammates who dont earn their ranks. I don't spend my hard earned money on XBOX live to get cheated every other game. To all the legits I am truly sorry because I for one have never ever went into a game with a modder. I have been matched up with one on my team but thats it. Thats all I have to say and oh yes I will be a legit 40 now so watch out for me. DETROIT CITY LEGIT!!!!!!!!
(GAMERTAG Certiiiin Death)

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  • 10.20.2005 7:49 AM PDT
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its good to see the leaderboards are gone, however cheating still exhists in the ranked games due to the rank # next to your name. i feel that all gamelists should be ranked, but the rank does not need to be shown. taking the leaderboards away has done nothing to help prevent cheating! just another antic by bungie to make us think what they are doing is usefull. all games should be ranked, but you should only be able to see your own rank during a game and if you wanna see someone elses rank then you would need to log onto bungie.net and look it up!

  • 10.20.2005 10:09 AM PDT
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I don't believe that the leaderboards are FINALLY gone! I was going crazy with "Oh I need to be a higher level than you!" and shiz. I swear, I was going to go stir crazy! Me, I am personally happy that the leaderboads are gone. You Master Fox, You Are an Idiot
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  • 10.20.2005 11:48 AM PDT
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Wow everyone who says it will make the cheaters go away are retarts. The cheaters are still going to cheat they dont care if the leaderboards are gone they care thtat they have a high lvl

xSLAUGHT3Rx Legit 31

  • 10.20.2005 12:54 PM PDT
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I agree with the fact that you are getting rid of the leaderboards. I just hope this doesn't hinder you from trying to stop cheaters overall. The deletion of the leaderboards will probably keep some people from cheating, but the overall problem is still there. Cheating makes legit players not want to play online anymore. This is a problem that should seriously be monitored and controlled if at all possible. People who cheat keep players like myself from wanting to play and I know for a fact that some people have quit playing online at all. This isn't just a hit against Bungie but more of a hit against Microsoft who is no longer receiving money from these players. If anything, Microsoft should have their hands in this bucket helping Bungie take down these bastards.

I love what you guys at Bungie do and I commend the efforts you make. Cheating is something that can only be controlled. As long as games are played in bits and bites there will be someone out there trying to cheat. I blame Nintendo for first creating the Game Genie :)

  • 10.20.2005 3:30 PM PDT
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Dont pretend Bungie hasn't done everything in their power to stop cheating, Does anyone remember playing the last few weeks before the last AU? It was lunacy, and Bungie came through and cleaned it up. If anyone knows how to deter cheating its Bungie! You have no faith in these guys, becuase you forget they built this game and this community for us, pixel by pixel, dude by dude. Kudos again Team Bungie.

p.s: the new project better effing be Halo 3.

  • 10.20.2005 4:28 PM PDT
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I think that this is a great idea, almost every 40+ that i have encountered is cheating in one way or another, for what just to get themselves closer to being on the leaderboard. Big deal. When i first started playing i thought that those on the leaderboard were the best until i learned what boosting was. Now i know that the leaderboard is nothing but but a list of the best cheaters, (for the most part that is). In conclusion I thank Bungie for eliminating the leaderboards, wise move. Hopefully this will cut down some of the motivation to cheat.

  • 10.20.2005 4:43 PM PDT
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What you people don't seem to realize is that cheaters, most of them anyway, cheat for the pure thrill of cheating. they don't care about their rank. it's fun and challenging to them to create new ways of doing it and outsmarting the big dogs at bungie...cheating is always going to be around, no matter what, so dont take off people's -blam!- ranks just in hopes of stopping cheaters. i'm not a cheater, i hate them all, but thats the truth of the matter...so go play custom games or stfu :)

  • 10.20.2005 5:50 PM PDT
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to upyorz
#1 this isnt a political site but since you got me started...
#2 gas prices are up lately mainly because of refineries getting shut down due to the hurricanes and storms (watch the news)
#3 if you want to complain about how much money someone makes...what about the entertainers and athletes making millions for throwing a ball ina basket or saying a few words in a song?
#4 you stated....we have homeless problems, national debt, tax increases, crime, hunger , health care system, education, employment and thousands of issues in which needs desperate govenment attention.
those problems have been around since the beginning of mankind, and always will be. to blame that on one man or one government is completely foolish and idiotic.
#5 you stated...so why aim for some more in expense of american lives in Iraq
do you know how many americans where killed on 9/11...2,819...do you know the number of americans killed in terrorist attacks on america since 9/11...0.
#6 you also stated...Oh yeah by the way what ever happened to Osama Bin Laden?...he is probably hiding in a snake hole just like Saddam was when he was captured.
#7 things arent made perfect overnight..people want instant results which never happen.
sacrifices have to and always will be made...i know that close to 2,000 troops have been killed in iraq, i knew a few of em personally...but how many where killed in the revolutionary war, or civil war, or ww1 or ww2..these things are part of our history and will continue to be.
#8 theres my two cents and your a douche bag

  • 10.20.2005 8:09 PM PDT
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cuz u r a cheater!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 10.20.2005 10:58 PM PDT
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Personally, I would've rather had a leaderboard that wasn't edited than no leaderboard at all. The ONLY things that you did by removing the leaderboards is take away the point of boosting (yank yank), piss people like me off who actually earned their rank, and show the world that you guys are beaten by cheaters. All you had to do was tweak your MM system a little to get rid of boosting, because modders and standbyers will (eventually) get banned and therefore automatically removed from the leaderboards.

Granted that I'm not an experienced programmer yet, but is it really that hard to make a big red flag pop up whenever one person/clan wins against the SAME person/clan 40 times in a row!?

Leaderboards gave me a realative idea of how I compared to people that were not on my friends list. That was a good thing since it isn't very likely that someone is going to add you to their list if they were WAY better than you, it just wouldn't make sense. Your friends list is a narrow list of people (100 out of hundreds of thousands) that you either know in real life, were of similar skill and were not jerks, or met through another friend. Now what? I guess the only place to be known or know who anyone is at those MLG tourneys, which are all over the country, cost money(i think), and take a lot of time. Sweet, that's much better than showing how i can win on my own time, in a wide array of situations, in the comfort of my own home for a small amount monthly.
(If all you can say to me is "stop caring" please don't reply)

Checklist for a better XBL:

Two month free cards:
I've noticed that XBL has finally gotten smart and GREATLY reduced the number of 2 month free cards that are available. It took XBL a year to do it, but they finally figured the fuel source from which cheaters drew from. Why worry about getting banned when I can just reach into my pile of free trials and start another. You hooked people, you did your job, now stop being so generous : )

Partying up:
Why do you guys let new accounts party up with much higher levels? If you make a new account, you should have to prove yourself all over again by slowly moving up the ranks with people around your level. Only let a party of people that are within X levels (5 or 6?) of the HIGHEST person in the room. If someone in the room wasn't within X levels than the party would get angry at the lowest level or the highest level for not being in the right range; Viola! Maybe acceptions for MM types like BTB since the more people in the party, the bigger difference in level will likely be. If someone wants to go through the trouble of making 3-4 accounts with their buddies to "pwn some N00b$", more power to them, because thats 3-4 less 2 month free cards out there to be abused.

Dedicated servers:
I firmly believe that if Bungie had spent the extra dollar to make dedicated servers in the begining or somewhere around there, that it would've cost them about the same as all of the research for anti-cheating, steps for banning, complaint handling, and money lost from people playing other things because of cheating. At least they'd have way fewer headaches to worry about and a happier community. You can't tell me that if the games were played on your servers (hell, your xboxes) that you couldn't monitor things better and immediately respond.
Also, the "advantage" of host would be equal for teams so one guy wouldn't be able to snipe/BR across a large map, use shotgun better, and win every melee battle.

Penalties:
You should definately be doing more about banning credit card #s rather than just accounts. AT LEAST do not let other accounts with the same cred # play Halo 2 MM, because even though 2 months are getting rarer they still do exist. I've read a lot about this subject and found that MAC addresses and IP addresses wouldn't work because of the off chance that the person sells their Xbox or moves to have someone else be banned wrongly.
People say that you will never do this strictly for $$$$$ reasons, because "a cheaters money is still money." Please say it isn't so.

DO NOT REMOVE ALL RANKS:
Though it maybe true that cheaters will greatly decrease if ranks are removed, it is also true that players in general will greatly decrease. It is not a valid argument to make ranks invisible, because ranks are one of the things that made Halo 2 so popular in the first place. Have you played training or multi-team? The chances of getting a "good" game are slim to none, because no one takes them seriously. Part of Halo 2's success is the quality of legit games in MM, so taking away the ability to see improvement would be a downward spiral of games. Cheaters don't ALL cheat to rank up, some do it for the hell of it or because they can. There are bad people in the world, but you shouldn't punish everyone because the bad ones exist. If that were true we should just nuke the human race because some people in the world are rapists and killers.

Rated M:
The game is rated mature, so why do I have to put up with 12 year olds? You can't expect impatient, ignorant, children to know exactly what is right and wrong or what the hell respect is, so why must the rest of us have to teach them these lessons. Plus it's not like we can do this easily as they scream at us with preteen high pitched voices about how they had sex with our mothers (fathers?), how they hate minorities, or just scream/sing anything that comes to their underdeveloped, sick, one tracked, little minds. I really do wonder what percent of cheaters on Halo 2 are below the age of 17, becaues I'm sure it would be a very large number. This is more of a complaint at parents for buying them these programs/ games and stores for selling to minors (yes they are minors.)
At least make the mute option easier to use, as temporarily taking up the whole screen to mute someone is a free kill usually.



If anyone has anything intellegent to say I'd recommend msging me as this post will likely die out because of it's length. Thanks for reading if you made it this far. : )

  • 10.21.2005 12:08 AM PDT
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oh, ok. Good thing youre the expert. Good thing youre here. Or we'd be lost without you.

  • 10.21.2005 4:35 AM PDT