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Posted by: Jason W
Every one talking about the mac cannons are not thinking about maneuverability. The Normandy could just stay near the back of each ship and destroy them quickly. Covenant ships also may have a hard time hitting the Normandy. Remember mac cannons fire in one direction.


The UNSC's use of Smart AI could definitely make up for this. And besides - a mac round apparently travels at about %40 of the speed of light. Try dodging that.

Another factor is slipspace. The Mass Effect universe is reliant on Mass Relays, so the UNSC could just blockade them. They could also move faster than Citadel ships.

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Posted by: H3 Crimson

Posted by: Jason W
Every one talking about the mac cannons are not thinking about maneuverability. The Normandy could just stay near the back of each ship and destroy them quickly. Covenant ships also may have a hard time hitting the Normandy. Remember mac cannons fire in one direction.


The UNSC's use of Smart AI could definitely make up for this. And besides - a mac round apparently travels at about %40 of the speed of light. Try dodging that.


MAC rounds move at between 5 and 30 km/s. Much slower than the 4000 km/s of the guns on ME ships.


The Mass Effect universe is reliant on Mass Relays, so the UNSC could just blockade them. They could also move faster than Citadel ships.

They only rely on the relays for long distance travel. There ships are FTl capable without relays, and are faster than UNSC ships.The very fastest UNSC ships could do 2.5 ly/day. ME ships can travel 12 ly/day.

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Mass Effect has better overall technology. Everyone here (except opogjijijp) seems to be under the assumption that "bigger is better".

UNSC and The Covenant undoubtably outmatch The Citadel Fleet in regards to the size of their ships.

However, the Citadel ships are faster, more manuverable, have a MUCH higher rate of fire, with more accurate weapons thanks to their extremely high velocity. Their range is orders of magnitude higher thanks to said velocity, and can carry much more ammunition with EQUAL STRENGTH of that of a UNSC one.

And for those who seem to be under the impression that the Citadel Fleet cannot muster weapons equal to the MAC cannons in Halo, perhaps you should learn some basic physics. The Mac Cannon rounds travel at only a few tens of kilometres per second.

Kinetic Energy is equal to (1/2)mv^2.

Notice that VELOCITY, NOT MASS, is to the power of two.

Guns from Mass Effect Universe fire a hell of a lot faster than the ones from the Halo Universe, and some of their weapons even have the ability to INCREASE THEIR MASS MANUALLY in flight). Even if the mass of a bullet is 1/1000th of it's Halo counterpart, it is still orders of magnitude more powerful.




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  • 10.16.2010 4:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Mass Effect tech is ridiculous, plain and simple. It's grounded in reality, whereas Halo's is not.

Just the CAIN itself could vaporize dozens of Hunters with a single slug, and that's not even going into detail about the Reaper fleet's armaments.

And the Destiny Ascension, that thing could rip apart any Covenant/UNSC ship with little effort.

Also Garrus, Garrus could take on the whole Covenant armada by himself and still have time by the end of the day to finish those calibrations.




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  • 10.16.2010 6:10 PM PDT

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Posted by: opogjijijp
The guns on Mass Effect ships are weaker than there UNSC counterparts, but still probably strong enough to cripple/kill many of UNSC ships in a single shot. They can also fire faster. Mass Effect ships would have a range advantage, as the projectiles from there ships move a lot faster than MAC rounds. Mass Effect also has an advantage in FTL speed.

We know the the UNSC had 2000 ships near the star of the war with the Covenant, I don't how how that compares with mass effect.



The Alliance has 8 Dreadnoughts ranging from 800-1000km by 2185, no figures on how many cruisers/frigates etc. is given but they are probably a lot more in comparison. As of 2157 they had 200 ships total during their first contact war with the Turians. Im going to assume 60+ ships per dreadnought so thats like 480 ships total?

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Posted by: Tibetz
Um, Mass Effect tech outmatches pretty much all Halo tech. (Forerunners vs Protheans not included).
True, true. The UNSC didn't have assistance from an ancient race.

Protheans vs. Forerunners: Forerunners win. One word: Halo.

Covenant vs. Citadel: Covenant. Slipspace>Mass Relay

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Posted by: Tibetz
Um, Mass Effect tech outmatches pretty much all Halo tech. (Forerunners vs Protheans not included).
True, true. The UNSC didn't have assistance from an ancient race.

Protheans vs. Forerunners: Forerunners win. One word: Halo.

Covenant vs. Citadel: Covenant. Slipspace>Mass Relay


Pffft, forget Protheans. Forerunners vs. The Reapers would be a curb stomp.

  • 10.16.2010 7:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Tibetz
Um, Mass Effect tech outmatches pretty much all Halo tech. (Forerunners vs Protheans not included).
True, true. The UNSC didn't have assistance from an ancient race.

Protheans vs. Forerunners: Forerunners win. One word: Halo.

Covenant vs. Citadel: Covenant. Slipspace>Mass Relay

Forerunners only used Halo as a last resort to stop all sentient life being exterminated. By exterminating them XD.

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Posted by: Tibetz
Um, Mass Effect tech outmatches pretty much all Halo tech. (Forerunners vs Protheans not included).
True, true. The UNSC didn't have assistance from an ancient race.

Protheans vs. Forerunners: Forerunners win. One word: Halo.

Covenant vs. Citadel: Covenant. Slipspace>Mass Relay

Forerunners only used Halo as a last resort to stop all sentient life being exterminated. By exterminating them XD.


1: You are forgetting the fact that the Protheans, while precursors, are hardly very advanced. They were probably around the Citadel System's level of power and influence at the time the Reaper's came a-knocking. Hell, they may have even been less advanced by a few years.

2: Halo as a weapon is beside the point. They can build artifical planets, dude. Not even the Reapers are confirmed to be able to do that.

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The Covenant is enough against the Mass effect universe.

  • 10.16.2010 7:47 PM PDT

Citadel Fleet would definitely beat the UNSC, but the Citadel Fleet vs the Covenant now that would be a good fight.

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Just throw a NOVA through whatever Relay links to the Citadel. There won't even be a battle. Plus, you take care of the Reaper problem at the same time.

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Posted by: Tibetz
Um, Mass Effect tech outmatches pretty much all Halo tech. (Forerunners vs Protheans not included).
True, true. The UNSC didn't have assistance from an ancient race.

Protheans vs. Forerunners: Forerunners win. One word: Halo.

Covenant vs. Citadel: Covenant. Slipspace>Mass Relay

Forerunners only used Halo as a last resort to stop all sentient life being exterminated. By exterminating them XD.


1: You are forgetting the fact that the Protheans, while precursors, are hardly very advanced. They were probably around the Citadel System's level of power and influence at the time the Reaper's came a-knocking. Hell, they may have even been less advanced by a few years.
[quote] When I put Protheans I was implying the creator of the Mass Relay systems and the Citadel, So I intended "Reapers".

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2: Halo as a weapon is beside the point. They can build artifical planets, dude. Not even the Reapers are confirmed to be able to do that.


Anyone can make an artificial planet, the difficulty isn't in the object itself, it's the sheer scale of resources and manpower required to do it.

We at our current technological level could do it, we just don't have access to the resources for it.



And Cortana, the only reason the Covenant were winning the war against the UNSC was because of their shielding technology on ships. The Citadel fleet (not to mention the sheer size of the geth armada) can hold off the covenant with ease.

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Posted by: Reptilian Rob
I'm also going to throw this out here as well.

The Reaper Fleet.

Thousands of ships built up over millions of years, tech that surpasses EVERYTHING. The Flood/Covenant/UNSC would be like a fly in the rear view mirror to them. They are infinite, they are each a nation devoid of weakness and they will -blam!- your galaxy up until there is nothing left but dust and echos.


Assuming Reapers also use kinetic barriers, like every other ship in the ME Universe, the Covenant would totally destroy them. No question, in my opinion.

Energy/plasma weapons>Kinetic barriers.

  • 10.17.2010 12:48 AM PDT

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Posted by: H3 Crimson
The MAC gun does damage in the Terratons, and an Citadel frigate (I'm basing this off the SR2 Normandy) is about the size of a UNSC Longsword. No joke.

And don't even get me started on how badly the Covenant would destroy the Citadel forces. Mass Effect soldiers use kinetic barriers, rather than energy shielding. Covenant plasma and energy weapons wouldn't be hindered by these at all.

Also, the Destiny Ascension? It is one kilometer long. A Halycon-class UNSC cruiser? 1.17 km long. A Covenant Super Carrier? Estimated to be about 25km long, by some.

I think the UNSC could very possibly win, and the Covenant would win hands down.

Your MAC gun figures are way off.

Do Longswords have a crew of 200+? No. Do Turian frigates? Yes. Frigates are, hence, larger than Longswords.

Keep in mind that you just quoted a figure that makes a Halcyon-class ship only some 10% larger than the DA. Don't forget, the DA is shaped like this.

It's wider and taller than a Halcyon class. Length isn't everything.

By the way, those are Turian frigates in the background. Last time I checked, Longswords are NOT ~600 meters long.

  • 10.17.2010 4:53 AM PDT

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Posted by: H3 Crimson
The MAC gun does damage in the Terratons, and an Citadel frigate (I'm basing this off the SR2 Normandy) is about the size of a UNSC Longsword. No joke.

And don't even get me started on how badly the Covenant would destroy the Citadel forces. Mass Effect soldiers use kinetic barriers, rather than energy shielding. Covenant plasma and energy weapons wouldn't be hindered by these at all.

Also, the Destiny Ascension? It is one kilometer long. A Halycon-class UNSC cruiser? 1.17 km long. A Covenant Super Carrier? Estimated to be about 25km long, by some.

I think the UNSC could very possibly win, and the Covenant would win hands down.

Your MAC gun figures are way off.

Do Longswords have a crew of 200+? No. Do Turian frigates? Yes. Frigates are, hence, larger than Longswords.

Keep in mind that you just quoted a figure that makes a Halcyon-class ship only some 10% larger than the DA. Don't forget, the DA is shaped like this.

It's wider and taller than a Halcyon class. Length isn't everything.

By the way, those are Turian frigates in the background. Last time I checked, Longswords are NOT ~600 meters long.



Apologies - I got my figures for the Mac gun from an unreliable source, it seems.

In regards to the frigate: I was basing that off of the SR2 Normandy's size, not a Turian frigate. I also misread the actual size of the Normandy. The Normandy is 384m long, and a Longsword is 64x75m. So a UNSC fighter is roughly a quarter of a size of an Alliance frigate.

And the Destiny Ascension is, frankly, designed aesthetically rather than functionally. Sizes are somewhat irrelevant - A Halycon class cruiser is roughly the same size as a Citadel dreadnought. The thing is - the Citadel doesn't have a lot of these, while the UNSC does.

After looking over the facts again, I still think that a war between the sides could go either way. It would be very close, but I think Smart AI and slipspace would equal the battle out pretty well. Whichever side wins would do so at a severe cost.

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Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Mass Effect tech is ridiculous, plain and simple. It's grounded in reality, whereas Halo's is not.


Its the other way around actually, at least Halo is more reality grounded then you think.

The guy who wrote the majority of the Halo books, Eric Nylund, is a chemical physicist, and uses real science to explain the technology in his stories (EG: the MAC is a really expensive and powerful rail/coil gun)

Still, ME's tech is awesome, but a single NOVA on the Citedel (we are talking about the UNSC) could destroy it. Ship to ship however, I don't know; I didn't like ME2, was the only ME I played, so I don't know much about it. (I didn't finish the game before returning it so I know very little about anything in terms of ME)

  • 10.17.2010 6:03 AM PDT


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Posted by: Tibetz
Um, Mass Effect tech outmatches pretty much all Halo tech. (Forerunners vs Protheans not included).
True, true. The UNSC didn't have assistance from an ancient race.

Protheans vs. Forerunners: Forerunners win. One word: Halo.

Covenant vs. Citadel: Covenant. Slipspace>Mass Relay

Forerunners only used Halo as a last resort to stop all sentient life being exterminated. By exterminating them XD.


still must be accounted for.

The way I see it (again, I don't know to much about ME)

UNSC/Covenant vs. citedel

Forerunners vs. Protheans

Precursors vs Reapers.

The difference is we don't know much about the Precursors, only they could travel between galaxy, accelorate evolution, were "transsentient" and were more advanced then the Forerunners.

Can someone give me some specs on the above ME factions' weaponry, then I could make a better analysis.

  • 10.17.2010 6:10 AM PDT

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Why do I keep seeing these threads....
OT; First off you are putting projectiles vs energy projectiles?
Secondly; All the UNSC compared to the Allience in weaponary is nothing (save MACs and Novas)
Third; We should be talking about Covanent vs Citadel
Witch would anyways demolish with the Dreadnought or High Charity

[Edited on 10.17.2010 6:44 AM PDT]

  • 10.17.2010 6:10 AM PDT


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Yes lets see.

Nova Bomb can destroy a planet.
Its magnitude is 1.2 petatons.

Shiva is smaller than the bomb used to destroy Hiroshima but is over 10 times more destructive.

Super MAC nuff said.


since when has a NOVA bomb been 1.2....

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  • 10.17.2010 6:30 AM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
Posted by: Tibetz
Um, Mass Effect tech outmatches pretty much all Halo tech. (Forerunners vs Protheans not included).
True, true. The UNSC didn't have assistance from an ancient race.

Protheans vs. Forerunners: Forerunners win. One word: Halo.

Covenant vs. Citadel: Covenant. Slipspace>Mass Relay

Forerunners only used Halo as a last resort to stop all sentient life being exterminated. By exterminating them XD.


1: You are forgetting the fact that the Protheans, while precursors, are hardly very advanced. They were probably around the Citadel System's level of power and influence at the time the Reaper's came a-knocking. Hell, they may have even been less advanced by a few years.

2: Halo as a weapon is beside the point. They can build artifical planets, dude. Not even the Reapers are confirmed to be able to do that.

Pothrans made the relays (didn't they?) Which shows how advanced they are.

  • 10.17.2010 7:05 AM PDT