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Subject: Citadel Fleet (Mass Effect) VS UNSC (Halo)


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Um, Mass Effect tech outmatches pretty much all Halo tech. (Forerunners vs Protheans not included).
True, true. The UNSC didn't have assistance from an ancient race.

Protheans vs. Forerunners: Forerunners win. One word: Halo.

Covenant vs. Citadel: Covenant. Slipspace>Mass Relay

Forerunners only used Halo as a last resort to stop all sentient life being exterminated. By exterminating them XD.


1: You are forgetting the fact that the Protheans, while precursors, are hardly very advanced. They were probably around the Citadel System's level of power and influence at the time the Reaper's came a-knocking. Hell, they may have even been less advanced by a few years.

2: Halo as a weapon is beside the point. They can build artifical planets, dude. Not even the Reapers are confirmed to be able to do that.

Pothrans made the relays (didn't they?) Which shows how advanced they are.


they relied on individual and pre-set portals (while being advanced on there own right) to travel acrosas the galaxy; Halo could travel across the galaxy with just individual ships, no portals needed.

The Precursors could travel the friggin' -Universe- with individual methods (no inter-galactic portals being accounted for, this is the only logical assumption)

Protheans, while advanced in there own ways, aren't quite as practical as Forerunners.

It's like Ringworld: the Ringworld builders couldn't travel on an interstellar medium, but could build a one AU sized ringworld (dwarfing Halo)

They're advanced in different ways, but practicality is a different story.

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Posted by: sharkbaitspy

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Posted by: cortana 5
Posted by: Tibetz
Um, Mass Effect tech outmatches pretty much all Halo tech. (Forerunners vs Protheans not included).
True, true. The UNSC didn't have assistance from an ancient race.

Protheans vs. Forerunners: Forerunners win. One word: Halo.

Covenant vs. Citadel: Covenant. Slipspace>Mass Relay

Forerunners only used Halo as a last resort to stop all sentient life being exterminated. By exterminating them XD.


1: You are forgetting the fact that the Protheans, while precursors, are hardly very advanced. They were probably around the Citadel System's level of power and influence at the time the Reaper's came a-knocking. Hell, they may have even been less advanced by a few years.

2: Halo as a weapon is beside the point. They can build artifical planets, dude. Not even the Reapers are confirmed to be able to do that.

Pothrans made the relays (didn't they?) Which shows how advanced they are.


No, that was the Reapers. They also made the Citadel. Every organic civilization bases their empire off these two things, and so the Reapers can virtually destroy them in one surprise attack.

  • 10.17.2010 7:31 AM PDT

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Mako > Warthog by a mile. There is nothing a Mako can't climb... Also, we're forgetting the Spectres, Biotics, Engineers that can fry guns and take over AI... On the ground, ME could eat Halo (Explosive Shotgun that can OSK everything). In Space, Halo Universe would win, at a heavy cost to their forces. Although... BILLIONS OF REAPERS is a bit of a game changer...

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Mako > Warthog by a mile. There is nothing a Mako can't climb... Also, we're forgetting the Spectres, Biotics, Engineers that can fry guns and take over AI... On the ground, ME could eat Halo (Explosive Shotgun that can OSK everything). In Space, Halo Universe would win, at a heavy cost to their forces. Although... BILLIONS OF REAPERS is a bit of a game changer...

There are only thousands of Reapers, not billions, a Mako would get gutted by a Wraith in 1 shot, a Scorpion would be more fair, though. (Kinetic barriers don't do anything to plasma, so the Halo universe wins with shields).

99% of Engineers would have no clue how to comprehend a Smart A.I, as they have never been around them before. Biotics, however, are a threat.

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  • 10.17.2010 10:02 AM PDT

mass effect would kick ass no ship in the halo universe would be able to withstand a blast from any citadel defense ship the UNSCs blast would scratch some paint and the covenant armada would be able to breach one ship if they put ten of their shots together plus mass effect ships shoot and carry on shooting covenant ships put all their power into one blast it takes very precious seconds to recharge also about Spartans boarding the ship their is only one spartan left (assuming the left over Spartans haven't found their way out of shield world) that is not enough. Plus the armor even in the infantry is much stronger than any body armor in the halo universe. It'd be like bringing toy guns to war.

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Are you all really saying that this can be brought down by the UNSC?

KK good luck with that. Master Chief would like you to know that he won't be fighting on behalf of the UNSC. He knows a lost cause when he sees it.
Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Remember the cut scene in "Tip of The Spear" where they used MAC rounds in orbit?

In atmosphere? you fool lol

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mass effect would kick ass no ship in the halo universe would be able to withstand a blast from any citadel defense ship the UNSCs blast would scratch some paint and the covenant armada would be able to breach one ship if they put ten of their shots together plus mass effect ships shoot and carry on shooting covenant ships put all their power into one blast it takes very precious seconds to recharge also about Spartans boarding the ship their is only one spartan left (assuming the left over Spartans haven't found their way out of shield world) that is not enough. Plus the armor even in the infantry is much stronger than any body armor in the halo universe. It'd be like bringing toy guns to war.

The UNSC MAC Rounds are actually nearing twice the power (but half the speed) of the Citadel's best. Not top mention their ships are larger, The pillar of Autumn is bigger than even the Destiny Ascension.

Not to mention, a Kinetic barrier would literally ignore plasma, so Covenant ships could fire an Energy projector and near Light Speed and Gut the Destiny Ascension in less than a second. A covenant Supercarrier is also 25x Bigger than the destiny Ascension,it's more comparable to the Citadel in size.

halo also has several Smart A.I's, and many folk in the ME universe would be scared by even the thought of facing one down, they are hundreds of times more productive than reg. humans. And this engagement would be one in space, not that the UNSC would need Spartans if they had even basic plasma weapons.

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The UNSC MAC Rounds are actually nearing twice the power (but half the speed) of the Citadel's best.

1.7x the energy, 1/134 the speed. ME ships have a huge range advantage. They can also fire faster.

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Posted by: Reptilian Rob

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The UNSC MAC Rounds are actually nearing twice the power (but half the speed) of the Citadel's best.

1.7x the energy, 1/134 the speed. ME ships have a huge range advantage. They can also fire faster.

I think you and I are nearing super nerd status right now, I'm loving it.


It's not super nerd, opog is like a savant. Was born with all sci-fi knowledge of past, present, and future already in his brain.

  • 10.17.2010 4:28 PM PDT


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Mass Effect tech is ridiculous, plain and simple. It's grounded in reality, whereas Halo's is not.


Its the other way around actually, at least Halo is more reality grounded then you think.

The guy who wrote the majority of the Halo books, Eric Nylund, is a chemical physicist, and uses real science to explain the technology in his stories (EG: the MAC is a really expensive and powerful rail/coil gun)

Still, ME's tech is awesome, but a single NOVA on the Citedel (we are talking about the UNSC) could destroy it. Ship to ship however, I don't know; I didn't like ME2, was the only ME I played, so I don't know much about it. (I didn't finish the game before returning it so I know very little about anything in terms of ME)

Mac weaponry in the Haloverse is ludicrous at best. It would take a tremendous amount of energy to accelerate something to 30% light speed, we're talking moon sized generators here. The physics involved in a railgun/coilgun are immense, you have to generate an equal amount of magnetic force to each coil/rail while at the same time feeding terajoules of energy into the rails/coils. The railgun the United States Navy is working on can only accelerate a small tungsten rod to .000004% the speed of light, and it's power source is a warehouse full of generators. Orbital MAC guns that have their power source beamed to them from the ground is preposterous. Remember the cut scene in "Tip of The Spear" where they used MAC rounds in orbit? The shear kinetic energy of a MAC round impacting anything in atmosphere would generate an explosion equivalent to the amount of energy release on impact. Basically it would be a kiloton type nuclear explosion, not a little dust cloud depicted in Reach.

Don't even get me started on plasma weaponry.

Mass Effect has some weird tech itself, but the grounded stuff is VERY well grounded in reality.


MACs shoot at point four tenths the speed of light, no where near what you're talking about

Also, the "little dust cloud" was due more to graphical restraints put on by the game engine; simply put, the game couldn't handle the explosion.

The books depict it more accurately.

As for plasma, scientists today say plasma/laser weaponry is a possibility; there was a show analysing Star Wars tech with real science and they said the way a lightsaber and blasters could work is with "hot" plasma. Even energy shields could work with "cold" plasma.

It IS grounded heavily in reality (the Forerunners/Precursors probably not as much, but we'll see when the forerunner trilogy comes out.)

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Posted by: Reptilian Rob

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[quote]Posted by: RatInDaKitchen
If we're talking about a Covenant ship using plasma that moves extremely slow, VS the accelerated mass from a railgun, the railgun is always going to win. Plus the fact that Plasma weaponry is impossible to create in it's own right, the physics are impossible.



no, most scientists say that plasma weaponry is, while exremely advanced, very possible. Like Eric Nylund (being a chemical physicist and all)

Plus, plasma weapons on a supercarrier aren't plasma weapons, they are more like the beam rifle; fast as light.

Besides, we're talking about fiction, not real science.

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MACs shoot at point four tenths the speed of light,

Super MACs shoot at point four tenths(Whether that means .4c or .04c, nobody feels like explaining). Regular shipbased MACs have been seen shooting up to 30 km/s. Slower if you just use numbers from the games.

  • 10.17.2010 4:47 PM PDT


Posted by: Reptilian Rob

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Reptilian Rob

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Reptilian Rob
Mass Effect tech is ridiculous, plain and simple. It's grounded in reality, whereas Halo's is not.


Its the other way around actually, at least Halo is more reality grounded then you think.

The guy who wrote the majority of the Halo books, Eric Nylund, is a chemical physicist, and uses real science to explain the technology in his stories (EG: the MAC is a really expensive and powerful rail/coil gun)

Still, ME's tech is awesome, but a single NOVA on the Citedel (we are talking about the UNSC) could destroy it. Ship to ship however, I don't know; I didn't like ME2, was the only ME I played, so I don't know much about it. (I didn't finish the game before returning it so I know very little about anything in terms of ME)

Mac weaponry in the Haloverse is ludicrous at best. It would take a tremendous amount of energy to accelerate something to 30% light speed, we're talking moon sized generators here. The physics involved in a railgun/coilgun are immense, you have to generate an equal amount of magnetic force to each coil/rail while at the same time feeding terajoules of energy into the rails/coils. The railgun the United States Navy is working on can only accelerate a small tungsten rod to .000004% the speed of light, and it's power source is a warehouse full of generators. Orbital MAC guns that have their power source beamed to them from the ground is preposterous. Remember the cut scene in "Tip of The Spear" where they used MAC rounds in orbit? The shear kinetic energy of a MAC round impacting anything in atmosphere would generate an explosion equivalent to the amount of energy release on impact. Basically it would be a kiloton type nuclear explosion, not a little dust cloud depicted in Reach.

Don't even get me started on plasma weaponry.

Mass Effect has some weird tech itself, but the grounded stuff is VERY well grounded in reality.


MACs shoot at point four tenths the speed of light, no where near what you're talking about

Also, the "little dust cloud" was due more to graphical restraints put on by the game engine; simply put, the game couldn't handle the explosion.

The books depict it more accurately.

As for plasma, scientists today say plasma/laser weaponry is a possibility; there was a show analysing Star Wars tech with real science and they said the way a lightsaber and blasters could work is with "hot" plasma. Even energy shields could work with "cold" plasma.

It IS grounded heavily in reality (the Forerunners/Precursors probably not as much, but we'll see when the forerunner trilogy comes out.)

1) 4/10 is the rough estimation of 30% to 40%, same math, same numbers, different expression.

2) No excuse for failed physic, Bungie could have achieved it within a cutscene. You're telling me their engine can handle all the -blam!- that goes on in the end of the mission "The Pillar Of Autumn" but can't handle a mushroom cloud?

3) The books are much better than the games, very true.

4) Laser weaponry is chemical based, it can be accomplish. Plasma weaponry cannot be accomplished because plasma looses energy at a high rate outside a contained field. Once the plasma leaves that field it looses chemical mass rapidly.

5) A good amount of the Halo stuff is grounded, but no where near the level of Mass Effect.


damn, I read the article wrong; I thought it was talking about . zero tenths...my bad *facepalms self*

2) The graphics engine in Reach is used in cutscenes as well, and I'm pretty sure the Supercarrier you go all "Independance Day" on at the end was actually smaller then it appeared, as was the explosion.

3) I suppose the scientists were talking about "theoretically," but they were still mainstream scientists, so I trust there judgement.

4) Again, I barely know anything about ME other then Reapers=bad, and the Captain's name is Shepard, but I know a lot about Halo's weapons.

Besides, we're talking about fiction.

  • 10.17.2010 4:48 PM PDT

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Every one talking about the mac cannons are not thinking about maneuverability. The Normandy could just stay near the back of each ship and destroy them quickly. Covenant ships also may have a hard time hitting the Normandy. Remember mac cannons fire in one direction.


The UNSC's use of Smart AI could definitely make up for this. And besides - a mac round apparently travels at about %40 of the speed of light. Try dodging that.

Another factor is slipspace. The Mass Effect universe is reliant on Mass Relays, so the UNSC could just blockade them. They could also move faster than Citadel ships.
Mac cannons still shoot in one direction and by the time the second round is ready to fire the normandy could have gotten behind the unsc ship and destroyed it. The shields I have no clue if they can block a mac round. Some guy already explained Ftl to you.

  • 10.17.2010 4:58 PM PDT

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