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Subject: Citadel Fleet (Mass Effect) VS UNSC (Halo)


Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Forruners=Win

Nevermind the humans or the covenant, we have some real substance to back us!!!

We have-
Shield world technology
Apparently, giant floating rings constructed in a few years.
With the Forruners, we can wipe the galaxy in a moment's notice.


Spartans>Unshielded AR wielding nubcakes


you forgot one: they had the ability to destroy entire solar systems by using the stars as makeshift grenades, turning them into supernovas/black holes.

How has this discussion not been settled yet?

  • 11.30.2010 2:22 PM PDT

UNSC would win because they not only outnumber the Citadel Fleet, ME Dreadnoughts gut pretty much every ship below their class or atleast bring their barriers down. That's just only 38 kiloton, seeing as a UNSC frigate is already twice as powerful what would the Trafalgar do to ME ships? I'm pretty sure 38 kilotons won't have much effect on 30m of Titanium-A Armor...
UNSC loves their Archers, GARDIAN defenses would get overwhelmed without any problem, I doubt ME barriers could hold off hunderds of them, especially since they would basically cover their entire tiny ships and ME seems to have the same problem Star Trek has, their ships lack any kind of serious armor, hell even Sovereign got gutted by a shot from a FRIGATE. Of course the other thing UNSC loves are nukes (which the Council banned) I'm pretty sure their nukes have yields in megatons and since ME ships get owned by 38 kilotons I don't think I have to explain that...

And what of course brilliant UNSC tacticians would notice is that kinetic barriers also don't work against slow moving objects, I'm pretty sure Keyes and Cole would use it to their advantage.
Tactic UNSC could use:
Spam Archers to overhwelm their GARDIAN defenses, fire the SHIVAs.
Or Prowlers could just simply lay down nuclear minefields.
Or fire Splazers at the frigates for the lolz
Or go for the easy way and NOVA the Citadel...

A Super MAC would probably one shot a Reaper...

Covenant vs ME is a joke, kinetic barriers only stop kinetic weapons. Pulse Lasers alone would be already a nightmare to ME. Covies would defeat the Reapers without a problem, even Brutes would be able to do it. Imagine a Covie Super Carrier ramming through Soveriegn, ah the irony...

Wait, that's what Shepard needs in ME3! I vote for an enlightened Supreme Commander Thel 'Vadamee and his fleet as squadmate and LI for ME3! (that's a joke only people who now how the ME fanbase thinks get)

Of course also the fact that UNSC is an actual military while the Council is basically the United Federation of Planets, except more retarded does not help...

*the Trafalgar hovers right infront of the Citadel Tower, right infront of the window where the Council is standing behind*
Turian Councilor: "Ah yes 'UNSC', a strongly xenophobic military organization that makes Cerberus look like a bunch of pansies, we have dimissed that claim."
Johnson: "Dimiss this split-cheek!"
*Trafalgar MACs the Citadel Tower*

or

"Councilor! Those ships keep destroying us all! We need more ships here or we will all die!"
"We cannot risk a war with the Terminus Systems!"
"It was all just a dream! But if it makes you feel better we will send a single frigate!"

Forerunners would be not be an overkill, but a killonaire...

btw to people who think Protheans were more advanced then the races now:
The Reapers arrive when the Galactic Civilization reaches a certain tech level and seeing the Reapers wanted to harvest the current galactic civilization earlier then now and that the asari can build Mass Relays, they're just too lazy, means the asari and Protheans were on pretty much the same tech level, of course they were differences, but not so huge as many people think...

  • 11.30.2010 3:23 PM PDT

Home again swiftly i glide, back to my beautiful wife, she'll not feel so rotten, as soon as shes gotten cider insider her inside

Screw this
how about yuuzhan vong vs covenant?

  • 11.30.2010 3:30 PM PDT


Posted by: Fooby
Screw this
how about yuuzhan vong vs Flood?


better match, considering they are similar in methods, but with the knowledge of the universe on your side, its safe to say Gravemind would win...
Posted by: Fooby
Screw this
how about yuuzhan vong vs covenant?


lets just say that

[Edited on 11.30.2010 3:53 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2010 3:52 PM PDT

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Well if you where to not count Prothean and Forerunner tech, then Mass Effect would probably win. (If you have played Mass Effect 2, then you know what I'm talking about. But the Halo Canon still beats every game)

  • 11.30.2010 4:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well if you where to not count Prothean and Forerunner tech, then Mass Effect would probably win. (If you have played Mass Effect 2, then you know what I'm talking about. But the Halo Canon still beats every game)

I have played ME2 and ME1 over 10 times and I'm still sure that if ME ever dared to attack the Haloverse they would be vaporized (ME by Halo). Compared to other Sci-Fi universes ME is quite weak even their anicent race sucks since they weren't actually that much advanced as many people think, simply because Reapers don't allow it.
Many people also seemed to forget that Dreadnoughts are rare since the Council are a bunch of Space Hippies. All races combined should have around 60-70 Dreadnoughts and since Heavy Cruisers are much smaller it means a weaker main gun, a much weaker main gun...

UNSC vs Citadel Fleet = UNSC victory, but not an easy victory.
The Covenant vs Citadel Fleet = Covenant victory
The Covenant vs The Reapers = Covenant victory Energy Weapons and giant ships FTW!
Forerunners vs the entire ME universe = Forerunners would be back at home for dinner

  • 11.30.2010 4:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Vercetti24
Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well if you where to not count Prothean and Forerunner tech, then Mass Effect would probably win. (If you have played Mass Effect 2, then you know what I'm talking about. But the Halo Canon still beats every game)

I have played ME2 and ME1 over 10 times and I'm still sure that if ME ever dared to attack the Haloverse they would be vaporized (ME by Halo). Compared to other Sci-Fi universes ME is quite weak even their anicent race sucks since they weren't actually that much advanced as many people think, simply because Reapers don't allow it.
Many people also seemed to forget that Dreadnoughts are rare since the Council are a bunch of Space Hippies. All races combined should have around 60-70 Dreadnoughts and since Heavy Cruisers are much smaller it means a weaker main gun, a much weaker main gun...

UNSC vs Citadel Fleet = UNSC victory, but not an easy victory.
The Covenant vs Citadel Fleet = Covenant victory
The Covenant vs The Reapers = Covenant victory Energy Weapons and giant ships FTW!
Forerunners vs the entire ME universe = Forerunners would be back at home for dinner


am I the only one that thinks the reapers should wait until the races got more advanced for once? It kinda seems illogical to do the same thing with the same tech level over and over again.

  • 11.30.2010 5:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24
Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well if you where to not count Prothean and Forerunner tech, then Mass Effect would probably win. (If you have played Mass Effect 2, then you know what I'm talking about. But the Halo Canon still beats every game)

I have played ME2 and ME1 over 10 times and I'm still sure that if ME ever dared to attack the Haloverse they would be vaporized (ME by Halo). Compared to other Sci-Fi universes ME is quite weak even their anicent race sucks since they weren't actually that much advanced as many people think, simply because Reapers don't allow it.
Many people also seemed to forget that Dreadnoughts are rare since the Council are a bunch of Space Hippies. All races combined should have around 60-70 Dreadnoughts and since Heavy Cruisers are much smaller it means a weaker main gun, a much weaker main gun...

UNSC vs Citadel Fleet = UNSC victory, but not an easy victory.
The Covenant vs Citadel Fleet = Covenant victory
The Covenant vs The Reapers = Covenant victory Energy Weapons and giant ships FTW!
Forerunners vs the entire ME universe = Forerunners would be back at home for dinner


am I the only one that thinks the reapers should wait until the races got more advanced for once? It kinda seems illogical to do the same thing with the same tech level over and over again.


Agreed,also about the reapers... Sovergion was demolished by a single missle not even that powerful.

  • 11.30.2010 5:44 PM PDT

stoopidmunke

idk, this is a good thread. Part of me wants to say Halo 'cause they had a much more militaristic society than mass effect. I don't think they can really compare too well though cause mass effect tech relies on stumbling on prothean artifacts, Halo's is basically made up. I think in a space confrontation mass effect would win, in a ground battle UNSC would win. We can't forget the zombies though,

THE ZOMBIES WIN EVERY TIME

  • 11.30.2010 5:47 PM PDT

I am a decent player in Reach but im not the best and i am a good sniper with the DMR and a good ninja lol and my account was recently attacked by a hacker so any bungie employees reading this can u please give me back my fileshare,forge world,and theater rights back because i didnt mean to get banned i was hacked so u would understand

also high charity has about millions of capital,assult,battle,corvette,and supercarriers and along with the unsc and the flood,halo would kick some major ass.

[Edited on 11.30.2010 10:07 PM PST]

  • 11.30.2010 10:02 PM PDT

I am a decent player in Reach but im not the best and i am a good sniper with the DMR and a good ninja lol and my account was recently attacked by a hacker so any bungie employees reading this can u please give me back my fileshare,forge world,and theater rights back because i didnt mean to get banned i was hacked so u would understand

and dont forget all 7 halos they would destroy every ship and sentient life in the entire galaxy

  • 11.30.2010 10:05 PM PDT


Posted by: eliteultra97
and dont forget all 7 halos they would destroy every ship and sentient life in the entire galaxy


while the Halo's forces hide in slip space...

case closed!

/thread

[Edited on 12.01.2010 5:24 AM PST]

  • 12.01.2010 5:24 AM PDT

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  • 12.01.2010 1:22 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24
Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well if you where to not count Prothean and Forerunner tech, then Mass Effect would probably win. (If you have played Mass Effect 2, then you know what I'm talking about. But the Halo Canon still beats every game)

I have played ME2 and ME1 over 10 times and I'm still sure that if ME ever dared to attack the Haloverse they would be vaporized (ME by Halo). Compared to other Sci-Fi universes ME is quite weak even their anicent race sucks since they weren't actually that much advanced as many people think, simply because Reapers don't allow it.
Many people also seemed to forget that Dreadnoughts are rare since the Council are a bunch of Space Hippies. All races combined should have around 60-70 Dreadnoughts and since Heavy Cruisers are much smaller it means a weaker main gun, a much weaker main gun...

UNSC vs Citadel Fleet = UNSC victory, but not an easy victory.
The Covenant vs Citadel Fleet = Covenant victory
The Covenant vs The Reapers = Covenant victory Energy Weapons and giant ships FTW!
Forerunners vs the entire ME universe = Forerunners would be back at home for dinner


am I the only one that thinks the reapers should wait until the races got more advanced for once? It kinda seems illogical to do the same thing with the same tech level over and over again.

Reapers are machines, something loike that will never bore them and if they attack at the same time they will always succeed since they know what they can expect. For example if the Reapers attacked UNSC Sol with Earth's 300 Super MACs, a UNSC Fleet of couple hunderd ships with reinforcements incoming from other systems (UNSC fleet is at full strenght)then Lord Hood and pretty much the rest of the UNSCDF Navy would be eating cuttlefish for dinner...

Mass Effect's definition of military is the same as Star Trek's, Space Hippies that pretend they are a military while flying in their fancy shamcy ships with their unpractical designs, their "military" is fillied with politics and they are scared to do anything really violent. Plus Cerberus which is pathetic when compared to ONI is considered a bunch of terroists and the human military cares more about kissing alien ass then their own fricking species while the aliens self treat humanity like a piece of -blam!-...
"I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS COUNCIL AND ITS ANTI-HUMAN BULL..."
"THEY COUNCIL WOULD'VE STEPPED IN IF THE GETH ATTACK A TURIAN COLONY!!!!"
While Donnel self is an idiot he did say some wise things, Cerberus Daily News even proved his second outrage once...

UNSC is a real military, just the design of their ships betrays that. A block of metal, is that design practical? Yes it is. Does it looks nice? WHO THE HELL CARES? Unlike the Alliance UNSC has a real black-ops branch, if the Council saw what ONI was doing they would get a heart attack from the amount of "terrorism"and "evilness".

But of course the biggest difference between ME is that ME is a Disney world were every good deed is rewarded, no matter how stupid or naive it is. Import a 100% Paragon playthrough in ME2 and you'll see it yourself, it's ridiculous for a game that is said to be a grey universe...
Halo on the other side does have a realistic approach, the Haloverse is grey, every faction is neitrher good or evil. Doing good things does not always end well, just like IRL. And every thing UNSC developed is theoritically possible, Mass Effect tech is all about eezo which is a magical element.

I can see UNSC ships with "IT'S A LEGITMATE STRATEGY" written on their hulls camping at Mass Relays and blasting every ship that comes trough it...
Or UNSC ships with "HERETICS THERE, HAPPY GLASSING!!!" on their hulls with arrows pointing at Council planets...
Of course for Brute ships UNSC would add "AND FREE BANANAS!!!"

  • 12.01.2010 2:23 PM PDT


Posted by: Vercetti24

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24
Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well if you where to not count Prothean and Forerunner tech, then Mass Effect would probably win. (If you have played Mass Effect 2, then you know what I'm talking about. But the Halo Canon still beats every game)

I have played ME2 and ME1 over 10 times and I'm still sure that if ME ever dared to attack the Haloverse they would be vaporized (ME by Halo). Compared to other Sci-Fi universes ME is quite weak even their anicent race sucks since they weren't actually that much advanced as many people think, simply because Reapers don't allow it.
Many people also seemed to forget that Dreadnoughts are rare since the Council are a bunch of Space Hippies. All races combined should have around 60-70 Dreadnoughts and since Heavy Cruisers are much smaller it means a weaker main gun, a much weaker main gun...

UNSC vs Citadel Fleet = UNSC victory, but not an easy victory.
The Covenant vs Citadel Fleet = Covenant victory
The Covenant vs The Reapers = Covenant victory Energy Weapons and giant ships FTW!
Forerunners vs the entire ME universe = Forerunners would be back at home for dinner


am I the only one that thinks the reapers should wait until the races got more advanced for once? It kinda seems illogical to do the same thing with the same tech level over and over again.

Reapers are machines, something loike that will never bore them and if they attack at the same time they will always succeed since they know what they can expect. For example if the Reapers attacked UNSC Sol with Earth's 300 Super MACs, a UNSC Fleet of couple hunderd ships with reinforcements incoming from other systems (UNSC fleet is at full strenght)then Lord Hood and pretty much the rest of the UNSCDF Navy would be eating cuttlefish for dinner...

Mass Effect's definition of military is the same as Star Trek's, Space Hippies that pretend they are a military while flying in their fancy shamcy ships with their unpractical designs, their "military" is fillied with politics and they are scared to do anything really violent. Plus Cerberus which is pathetic when compared to ONI is considered a bunch of terroists and the human military cares more about kissing alien ass then their own fricking species while the aliens self treat humanity like a piece of -blam!-...
"I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS COUNCIL AND ITS ANTI-HUMAN BULL..."
"THEY COUNCIL WOULD'VE STEPPED IN IF THE GETH ATTACK A TURIAN COLONY!!!!"
While Donnel self is an idiot he did say some wise things, Cerberus Daily News even proved his second outrage once...

UNSC is a real military, just the design of their ships betrays that. A block of metal, is that design practical? Yes it is. Does it looks nice? WHO THE HELL CARES? Unlike the Alliance UNSC has a real black-ops branch, if the Council saw what ONI was doing they would get a heart attack from the amount of "terrorism"and "evilness".

But of course the biggest difference between ME is that ME is a Disney world were every good deed is rewarded, no matter how stupid or naive it is. Import a 100% Paragon playthrough in ME2 and you'll see it yourself, it's ridiculous for a game that is said to be a grey universe...
Halo on the other side does have a realistic approach, the Haloverse is grey, every faction is neitrher good or evil. Doing good things does not always end well, just like IRL. And every thing UNSC developed is theoritically possible, Mass Effect tech is all about eezo which is a magical element.

I can see UNSC ships with "IT'S A LEGITMATE STRATEGY" written on their hulls camping at Mass Relays and blasting every ship that comes trough it...
Or UNSC ships with "HERETICS THERE, HAPPY GLASSING!!!" on their hulls with arrows pointing at Council planets...
Of course for Brute ships UNSC would add "AND FREE BANANAS!!!"


essentially what I tried to explain to the guy earlier on wh said ME is more realistic.

  • 12.01.2010 3:31 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.

You do know that kinetic barriers would stop MAC rounds easily right? The only force that could beat the Citadel fleet would be the Covenant since plasma can easily go through the barriers.

  • 12.01.2010 7:08 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.

Reapers vs Covenant WOULD be awesome. Although the covenant would have better shields I think that Sovereign would make short work of even the largest Covie fleet simply because he would have the advantages of surprise and overpowered weapons.

  • 12.01.2010 7:16 PM PDT
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I just play for fun. MLG can kiss my ass.

Roberto jh, you need to play the first Mass Effect before the second or you're not gonna get a satisfying feel of the game.

  • 12.01.2010 7:23 PM PDT

The philosophy in Halo is "two people enter a room, the better one leaves." This means that instead of a reliance on skills or how long you practice nailing every shot with the dmr the quickest possible, you must rely on other things then simply outshooting all your enemies.
Nothing in combat is ever meant to be fair.

played both halo and mass effect and remember all space battles.

Halo had two distinct space battles that i remember that involved fleets of ships, halo 3's counter attack of ark with pelicans flying through elite cruisers attacking brute cruisers, and master chief flying through covenant assault carrier in halo 2 with a single covenant bomb that did the same thing as noble 6's slipspace drive.

Mass Effect only had one epic battle, the citadel fleet holding off a geth assault only to be rammed by sovereign, only to have a human counter attack manage to destroy it before it opened up the mass relay to send in fleet of reapers,(EPIC but cut up by Shepard's fight). And 2 brief skirmishes involving Normandy and a collector/reaper ship but it won't describe how fleet vs fleet engagements will pull off.

Going to put it out there and say screw both, star wars kicks both in terms of numbers and the DEATH STAR (were it not destroyed by rebels)as shown in the beginning of episode three, revenge of the sith, and end of Jedi's return.

[Edited on 12.01.2010 8:01 PM PST]

  • 12.01.2010 7:47 PM PDT

Get back to reading the forum, no one looks at these anyways.

commander sheaperd+Garrus+wrex>everything

  • 12.01.2010 8:13 PM PDT

stoopidmunke


Posted by: General Scar
commander sheaperd+Garrus+wrex>everything


You forgot Tali.

  • 12.01.2010 8:47 PM PDT
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I like the Mk V armor.

Citadel Fleet Vs UNSC Fleet

Citadel Wins.

Citadel Fleet vs Covenant Fleet

Citadel Wins with major losses

Citadel Fleet Vs Forerunner

Forerunners do not loose a single piece of metal

Reapers vs Forerunners

Forerunners win with few losses

Prothean other Ancient Mass Effect Races vs Forerunners

Forerunners win with large losses, but recover quickly

Everything vs Percussors

Percussors obliterate them with one shot, defying everything physics, and then rip through the dimensions. As they are Tier Zero, there unstoppable...they can create perfect life.

  • 12.01.2010 8:51 PM PDT
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I like the Mk V armor.


Posted by: NuttyNUTTS2
played both halo and mass effect and remember all space battles.

Halo had two distinct space battles that i remember that involved fleets of ships, halo 3's counter attack of ark with pelicans flying through elite cruisers attacking brute cruisers, and master chief flying through covenant assault carrier in halo 2 with a single covenant bomb that did the same thing as noble 6's slipspace drive.

Mass Effect only had one epic battle, the citadel fleet holding off a geth assault only to be rammed by sovereign, only to have a human counter attack manage to destroy it before it opened up the mass relay to send in fleet of reapers,(EPIC but cut up by Shepard's fight). And 2 brief skirmishes involving Normandy and a collector/reaper ship but it won't describe how fleet vs fleet engagements will pull off.

Going to put it out there and say screw both, star wars kicks both in terms of numbers and the DEATH STAR (were it not destroyed by rebels)as shown in the beginning of episode three, revenge of the sith, and end of Jedi's return.

Yea, but this is with the entire fleet left entact, so you still have your Death Star of unstoppable God Moddedness. But, we have seven Halos, and only God knows how fast they fire off, wiping everything out. But then again, Death Star can fire on each halo in less then a few minutes, but then again, would it pierce forerunner technology? And don't say the POA's explosion did so the DS laser can. WRONG. The POA bomb was stationed aboard the installation, causing massive trauma.

  • 12.01.2010 8:56 PM PDT
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That's a lot of people.

Just UNSC vs. the citadel fleet?
citadel fleet, with the variable of their shields holding

  • 12.01.2010 9:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24
Posted by: Halo biggest fan
Well if you where to not count Prothean and Forerunner tech, then Mass Effect would probably win. (If you have played Mass Effect 2, then you know what I'm talking about. But the Halo Canon still beats every game)

I have played ME2 and ME1 over 10 times and I'm still sure that if ME ever dared to attack the Haloverse they would be vaporized (ME by Halo). Compared to other Sci-Fi universes ME is quite weak even their anicent race sucks since they weren't actually that much advanced as many people think, simply because Reapers don't allow it.
Many people also seemed to forget that Dreadnoughts are rare since the Council are a bunch of Space Hippies. All races combined should have around 60-70 Dreadnoughts and since Heavy Cruisers are much smaller it means a weaker main gun, a much weaker main gun...

UNSC vs Citadel Fleet = UNSC victory, but not an easy victory.
The Covenant vs Citadel Fleet = Covenant victory
The Covenant vs The Reapers = Covenant victory Energy Weapons and giant ships FTW!
Forerunners vs the entire ME universe = Forerunners would be back at home for dinner


am I the only one that thinks the reapers should wait until the races got more advanced for once? It kinda seems illogical to do the same thing with the same tech level over and over again.


Agreed,also about the reapers... Sovergion was demolished by a single missle not even that powerful.
when his shields were down and/or distracted by Saren's death... again.

  • 12.01.2010 10:01 PM PDT