- Vercetti24
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Posted by: dr spartan32
I've just skimmed through some of the pages in this thread and I thought I'd offer my opinion on the matter.
As Opog said, ME ship weapons have ranges of over 100 times that of UNSC ships. Dreadnoughts can also fire their devastating mass accelerator weapons every 2 seconds, with a yield of 38 kilotons, while a UNSC vessel has to charge up their MAC for at least 2 minutes between every shot. A single archer missile is able to destroy or cripple all but the largest UNSC vessels, meaning a single shot of a ME ship would easily destroy or at least cripple most UNSC vessels. After firing their shots they could retreat or dodge and intercept incoming UNSC fire (or simply outrun them).
I would like to remind you Dreadnoughts are the only ships that fire 20kg slugs at 1,3% light speed every five seconds and they are the only ones that deal out those 38 kilotons. Heavy Cruisers are much smaller, which means a much weaker cannon. Oh and btw the Citadel forces have around 60-70 Dreadnoughts...
Charge times of MACs are different depending on the class of the MAC and the ship... I wouldn't be supriced if Archers were some kind of armor piercing missiles, we already have stuff like that, ity would explain why Covie shields absorb hunderds of them while Archers still rip through their armor (of course in greater numbers). Or try to survive the horde of MAC rounds (one hit will gut most ME ships), Archers and nukes (megaton yields, overkill on everything the Citadel has to offer) at them and thousnads of Archers will overhwlem their GARDIAN defenses and then the nukes will strike.. Seeing as UNSC is capable of defeating the Covenant in Space, I doubt a bunch of Space Hippies with their Magically Accelerated Cannons would be a problem, especially since UNSC is the one doing the one shotting. Plus UNSC would be able to replace their destroyed ships since every colony they have would be safe, they are no Mass Relays there...
Minefields? In space? The tremendous amount of space you would need to cover.... it's just seems very unrealistic. It would be impossible to repel an invasion of a planet with minefields (at least with the resources available to the UNSC/citadel), but you might be able to repel borders of a space station, mmkay.
I guess you never read any part of the books which explains how those minefields work... Funny, ME's side really loves to use the word "unrealstic" in vs discussions (not just here), which universe is entierely dependant on a magical element again? Did you maybe forget what UNSC uses to repel invasions?
Hint: Every five seconds it fires a 3000 ton ferric-tungsten slug with 4% light speed and Earth has 300 of them... Please, don't use mmkay in your arguments, I can't take it seriously and it doesn't make you sound cool.
As for launching Novas with slipspace; I have no doubt that a Nova would be able to destroy any vessel in the Citadel fleet, however, good luck hitting a ship with it. You seem to forget that UNSC slipspace technology is grossly inaccurate, with ships emerging hundreds of thousands of kilometres away from their targeted destination. And as you said, the Cherenkov radiation is easily detectable against the background of near-zero temperature of cosmic radiation. And ME ships don't have to travel in formations the way UNSC ships tend to do.
A NOVA would vaporize the Citadel... Here NOVA's estimated yield in ME friendly language: 1.200.000.000.000 Kilotons. Why the frak would anyone waste a NOVA on a ship? Yeah, but those are spaceships, the difference isn't so huge when a small object is fired especially since NOVA's blast radius is huge. But when the Council would realize WTF just happend it would be too late, their precious Citadel would be dust. Where's the rule that says UNSC ships HAVE to travel in formantion? The reason why they do it is because they are an actual military, not a bunch os space hippies that think they are one...
The mass effect fields created by the massive and magical eezo cores of Citadel vessels also allows them to pull of manoeuvres impossible for any UNSC vessel, that would literally tear them in half, allowing for extreme delta-v. Human slipspace technology cannot be utilised during battles other than to escape. Citadel ships can use their FTl technology to move around in system, which has vast tactical value. They can also communicate FTL, meaning they can easily split up their vessels and not travel in formations which UNSC vessels tend to do.
Where did you got that from? The Normandy is the only Citadel ship with a massive eezo core, every other Citadel ship has a noraml eezo core that you would expect in a ship of that class. I didn't saw the DA doing any barrel rolls, every Citadel fleet ship was just charging at each other... But the problem is that their FTL is still inferior to Slipsapce, without Mass Relays UNSC is faster...
Yeah, good split up you weak ships so they can be pwned by UNSC Battlegroups... And you're saying that like UNSC ships HAVE to travel in formation, you forgot that their tactics adapt very quickly and since when was flying as a unorganized bunch of ships better then flying in formation?
Some of you mentioned lasers. Lasers are not particularly useful in space. The lasers of both UNSC and Citadel vessels are severely limited by diffraction, rendering them useless at long range.
No, ME lasers are useless. Do not try to apply one universe's tech rules to their counterpants in the other universe. Pulse Lasers as being shown by the Covenant are very dangerous weapons for lightly armored ships, ME ships are lightly armored and since lasers kind of ignore kinetic barriers their strenght does not matter at all...
ME vessels also have vastly better defences than any UNSC ship. Even without their kinetic barriers, some ME ships are outfitted with silaris armour. From the codex Asari-made Silaris armor can resist even the tremendous heat and kinetic energy of starship weapons. The armor is nearly unsurpassed in strength because its central material, carbon nanotube sheets woven with diamond Chemical Vapour Deposition, are crushed by mass effect fields into super-dense layers able to withstand extreme temperatures and kinetic energy. That process also compensates for diamond's brittleness.
Their GARDIAN defenses would be easily overhwelmed by the huge amounts of Archers UNSC ship fire... Funny that you left out the second part of the codex that renders your entire quote useless, here it is:
Diamond armor itself has two limiting disadvantages. First, while nanotubes and CVD-dimaond construction have become cheaper in recent years, it remains prohibitively expensive to coat starships or aircraft larger than fighters in Silaris material. Second, the armor must be attached to the ship's superstructure, so shock waves from massive firepower can still destroy the metals beneath the armor itself.
OH HOLY CRAP!!!! ARMORED TINY FIGHTERS!!!! Longswords will take care of your "fighters" (btw Longswords are bigger then a ME frigate)
So, any armed encounter between the two forces would be weighed heavily one way in favour of the ME ships. Their main advantage being extreme ranges of their ships, FTL communication, accurate FTL travel and higher manoeuvring.
Your extreme ranges do not mattter since they are not "extreme" enough to really matter... FTL communication still needs a Mass Relay to have any real advantage over UNSC, without Mass Relays its also ridiculously slow FTL travel there's no proff of that (of course except friagts having high manouvrerality). Funny how you magically forgot about UNSC's advantages:
Tactical advantage, AIs, Slipspace which can be used as a bomb or to launch NOVAs through it, bigger weapon variety, frakking megaton yield nukes, SMACs, Keyes and Cole.
I didn't mention any Prothean/reaper or Forerunner weapon/technology in this post since the thread was about UNSC ships vs Citadel ships. Of course, the outcome could be vastly different if either side could take advantage of their respective ancient civilizations' technology, but there is too much speculation in such a scenario that I won't indulge in it.
Because then ME would get owned, hard?
ok, just my two cents. I don't wish to spark another heated argument where people jump on bandwagons and quote one side and mutters "QFT, PWNED, /THREAD WE WIN", as I won't respond to such posts. I tried to approach this as factual as I can with my limited knowledge on the subject (although, I will admit I am a bit biased against Halo, since I'm such a huge fan of ME). Have a good day. I'll check back in here tomorrow.
Actually now you are pretty much restaring the argument, we did analyze everything and UNSC was victorious. You knowledge of the Haloverse seems to be pretty limited then or maybe its just the bias...
Its not like leaving out the second part of the Salaris armor codex entry betrayed anything /sarcasm
[quote]Edit: it would be easier to settle the argument if we could decide on when this fight would occur, for the UNSC, is it before, during or after the Covenant war?
Both factions are allowed to use every known weaponry the factions use (like UNSC Supercarrier or SMAC, but lets just set their fleet strenght at UNSC Pre-War and Pre-Battle of the Citadel (mainly because the different state of the fleet. depending on your choice in ME1).