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Subject: Citadel Fleet (Mass Effect) VS UNSC (Halo)


Posted by: Anonyme
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Now, for referance, let's assume the moon was the same distance from the planet as the earth to luna in real life.
That's a huge if.


I know, but I do not believe the GoO has any numbers regarding the distance of the moon. If I am mistaken, please post them.

Even still, I doubt the moon was closer then 100,000 kilometers anyway, as that is dangerously close to getting sucked into the gravity well and crashing to the planet

  • 12.03.2010 2:35 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24
[quote]Posted by: dr spartan32

[quote]As for launching Novas with slipspace; I have no doubt that a Nova would be able to destroy any vessel in the Citadel fleet, however, good luck hitting a ship with it. You seem to forget that UNSC slipspace technology is grossly inaccurate, with ships emerging hundreds of thousands of kilometres away from their targeted destination. And as you said, the Cherenkov radiation is easily detectable against the background of near-zero temperature of cosmic radiation. And ME ships don't have to travel in formations the way UNSC ships tend to do.

A NOVA would vaporize the Citadel... Here NOVA's estimated yield in ME friendly language: 1.200.000.000.000 Kilotons. Why the frak would anyone waste a NOVA on a ship? Yeah, but those are spaceships, the difference isn't so huge when a small object is fired especially since NOVA's blast radius is huge. But when the Council would realize WTF just happend it would be too late, their precious Citadel would be dust. Where's the rule that says UNSC ships HAVE to travel in formantion? The reason why they do it is because they are an actual military, not a bunch os space hippies that think they are one...

in regards to the NOVA being inaccurate: lets look at ghosts of onyx again.

It shattered a moon into little glowing shards, scorched a quarter of a planet and vaporized a fleet of 600, several times larger then the Defense Fleet.

Now, for referance, let's assume the moon was the same distance from the planet as the earth to luna in real life.

363,104 kilometers away from the earth at its closest. Even if the super-luminal NOVA missed within the perameters of the UNSC's admitedly innaccurate jumps, it would still atomize the fleet and the Citadel anyway, so I don't see the problem.

Also: Longswords are not that big, only the size of a B-2, no where near Frigate size.

Also 2: If the Forerunners, (hell, even Covenant) were brought into fight the ME fleet, ME automatically loses.

We know of two primary weapons in the Forerunner fleets.

One: Power armor six times as powerful as MJOLNIR and distrubuted to the common soldiers.

And 2: the ability to put up the firepower to turn stars into super-massive stellar grenades/or even black holes.

Rendering such an argument laughable at best.

Plus you can't forget Covie ships are much stronger then ME ships and the badass message is enough xD

I say we nuke the entire Citadel from Slipsapce, it's the only way to be sure.

Well Longswords are still 64m, how long was the Normandy? 60-80m? Still pretty much the same size and a SHIVA armed Longsword has more firepower then a ME Dreadnought, of course for only that one shot, but its enough.

Real shielding, thick armor and energy weapons are awesome, aren't they? Especially if your enemy has neither of those, with energy weapons even Reapers would get one shotted, of course a Covenant Super-Carrier could ram it for the lolz, just like DA. xD
ME doesn't lose according to delusional ME fanboys though! I saw claims like
a) ME wins cuz it can't lose from some crappy shooter! (RPG Elitsts)
b) ME is more advanced since they have flying cars and more aliens!
c) Eezo is totally not magic, those Jump Drives are! (idiot meant Slipspace)
d) Spartans were badly trained and were run 'n gunners, they are all dead since they were retarded!
e) Geth would own the Forerunners and hack the Halos! (wut?)

Actually we do not know the exact strenght of their shieds, it's probably even stronger and then you have advanced armor left under it.
Forerunner infrantry weapons would probably bring down ME Frigates with ease, but that's just a theory.

UNSC: NUKE IT FROM ORBIT!!!!
Covies: GLASS DAT!!!!
Forerunners: Collapse that star!

The Forerunner Dreadnought was stripped of known weapons (means they were still weapons left) and it was running at 10% of it's original power, but still it punched through the Elite Fleet AND the Home Fleet without a scratch...

The flying in formantion is bad one? How can that be used as an argument I have no idea...

  • 12.03.2010 2:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Vercetti24

[quote]Posted by: ROBERTO jh

[quote]Posted by: Vercetti24
[quote]Posted by: dr spartan32

[quote]ME doesn't lose according to delusional ME fanboys though! I saw claims like
a) ME wins cuz it can't lose from some crappy shooter! (RPG Elitsts)
b) ME is more advanced since they have flying cars and more aliens!
c) Eezo is totally not magic, those Jump Drives are! (idiot meant Slipspace)
d) Spartans were badly trained and were run 'n gunners, they are all dead since they were retarded!
e) Geth would own the Forerunners and hack the Halos! (wut?)



lol@fanboys

  • 12.03.2010 3:17 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24

[quote]Posted by: ROBERTO jh

[quote]Posted by: Vercetti24
[quote]Posted by: dr spartan32

[quote]ME doesn't lose according to delusional ME fanboys though! I saw claims like
a) ME wins cuz it can't lose from some crappy shooter! (RPG Elitsts)
b) ME is more advanced since they have flying cars and more aliens!
c) Eezo is totally not magic, those Jump Drives are! (idiot meant Slipspace)
d) Spartans were badly trained and were run 'n gunners, they are all dead since they were retarded!
e) Geth would own the Forerunners and hack the Halos! (wut?)



lol@fanboys

Most recent thread on BSN:
How badly would Reapers own the Haloverse?
(If I remember correctly you can view the threads without an account)
You will lol, alot. Their main argument there was Indoctrination, of course the fact that it takes weeks and you have to be in a Reaper structure that is capable of doing that the entire time does not matter! xD


[Edited on 12.03.2010 3:42 PM PST]

  • 12.03.2010 3:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Vercetti24

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24

[quote]Posted by: ROBERTO jh

[quote]Posted by: Vercetti24
[quote]Posted by: dr spartan32

[quote]ME doesn't lose according to delusional ME fanboys though! I saw claims like
a) ME wins cuz it can't lose from some crappy shooter! (RPG Elitsts)
b) ME is more advanced since they have flying cars and more aliens!
c) Eezo is totally not magic, those Jump Drives are! (idiot meant Slipspace)
d) Spartans were badly trained and were run 'n gunners, they are all dead since they were retarded!
e) Geth would own the Forerunners and hack the Halos! (wut?)



lol@fanboys

Most recent thread on BSN:
How badly would Reapers own the Haloverse?
(If I remember correctly you can view the threads without an account)
You will lol, alot. Their main argument there was Indoctrination, of course the fact that it takes weeks and you have to be in a Reaper structure that is capable of doing that the entire time does not matter! xD


ROFLOLLMFAO!!!!

okay....*breaths heavily* how do I reply to forums? It says I am not eligable.

holy -blam!-.........one of those guys said that Shepard could beat the Chief in every imaginable facet.

I have lost faith in humanity.

these guys are complete and utter dumbasses. They honestly think that the Forerunners, with ship weapons capable of destroying stars, can lose to the Reapers?

They think that the NOVA bomb can't destroy a Reaper?

Oh my god, I have never seen such blind fanboysim in my life....Period.

[Edited on 12.03.2010 4:28 PM PST]

  • 12.03.2010 4:14 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24

[quote]Posted by: ROBERTO jh

[quote]Posted by: Vercetti24
[quote]Posted by: dr spartan32

[quote]ME doesn't lose according to delusional ME fanboys though! I saw claims like
a) ME wins cuz it can't lose from some crappy shooter! (RPG Elitsts)
b) ME is more advanced since they have flying cars and more aliens!
c) Eezo is totally not magic, those Jump Drives are! (idiot meant Slipspace)
d) Spartans were badly trained and were run 'n gunners, they are all dead since they were retarded!
e) Geth would own the Forerunners and hack the Halos! (wut?)



lol@fanboys

Most recent thread on BSN:
How badly would Reapers own the Haloverse?
(If I remember correctly you can view the threads without an account)
You will lol, alot. Their main argument there was Indoctrination, of course the fact that it takes weeks and you have to be in a Reaper structure that is capable of doing that the entire time does not matter! xD


ROFLOLLMFAO!!!!

okay....*breaths heavily* how do I reply to forums? It says I am not eligable.

holy -blam!-.........one of those guys said that Shepard could beat the Chief in every imaginable facet.

I have lost faith in humanity.


It appears we reacted the same, well except that I hit the keyboard with my head when I first saw it... I was pretty much the only one that actually had arguments supported by canon, not personal prefernace...

Well to reply you need an account, but even then you can't reply to that certain thread since its locked, I was in the middle of writing a reply to one of the morons, buit then the thread got locked >:(

Those are ME fanboys for ya, they so delusional that its ridiculous, I still remember one guy who literally said
"ME is more realstic since they have many humanoid aliens, flying cars, Galactic Peace and Humans are not some evil -blam!-s with no morality at all, unlike that ridiculously backwards Imperialist UNSC."

After spending alot of time on BSN I have lost faith in ME's fanbase...

  • 12.03.2010 4:35 PM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
these guys are complete and utter dumbasses. They honestly think that the Forerunners, with ship weapons capable of destroying stars, can lose to the Reapers?

They think that the NOVA bomb can't destroy a Reaper?

Oh my god, I have never seen such blind fanboysim in my life....Period.

Of course! Mass Effect is a part of the superior race (RPGs) while Halo is the worst of the worst (FPS)! That's already enough! Say you like Halo there and you will be flamed, CoD is usually ok though...

Yes and that Turians are stronger then Sangheilli!

Even CoD fanboys are more reasonable then them...

  • 12.03.2010 4:43 PM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
these guys are complete and utter dumbasses. They honestly think that the Forerunners, with ship weapons capable of destroying stars, can lose to the Reapers?

They think that the NOVA bomb can't destroy a Reaper?

Oh my god, I have never seen such blind fanboysim in my life....Period.
Of course! Mass Effect is a part of the superior race (RPGs) while Halo is the worst of the worst (FPS)! That's already enough! Say you like Halo there and you will be flamed, CoD is usually ok though...

Yes and that Turians are stronger then Sangheilli!

no they arent they are -blam!-1ng douches that can be killed by a at least 40 years old guy

  • 12.03.2010 5:07 PM PDT


Posted by: fsabran
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
these guys are complete and utter dumbasses. They honestly think that the Forerunners, with ship weapons capable of destroying stars, can lose to the Reapers?

They think that the NOVA bomb can't destroy a Reaper?

Oh my god, I have never seen such blind fanboysim in my life....Period.
Of course! Mass Effect is a part of the superior race (RPGs) while Halo is the worst of the worst (FPS)! That's already enough! Say you like Halo there and you will be flamed, CoD is usually ok though...

Yes and that Turians are stronger then Sangheilli!

no they arent they are -blam!-1ng douches that can be killed by a at least 40 years old guy

safe to say you're an idiot..

[Edited on 12.03.2010 5:10 PM PST]

  • 12.03.2010 5:09 PM PDT


Posted by: Vercetti24

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24

[quote]Posted by: ROBERTO jh

[quote]Posted by: Vercetti24
[quote]Posted by: dr spartan32

[quote]ME doesn't lose according to delusional ME fanboys though! I saw claims like
a) ME wins cuz it can't lose from some crappy shooter! (RPG Elitsts)
b) ME is more advanced since they have flying cars and more aliens!
c) Eezo is totally not magic, those Jump Drives are! (idiot meant Slipspace)
d) Spartans were badly trained and were run 'n gunners, they are all dead since they were retarded!
e) Geth would own the Forerunners and hack the Halos! (wut?)



lol@fanboys

Most recent thread on BSN:
How badly would Reapers own the Haloverse?
(If I remember correctly you can view the threads without an account)
You will lol, alot. Their main argument there was Indoctrination, of course the fact that it takes weeks and you have to be in a Reaper structure that is capable of doing that the entire time does not matter! xD


ROFLOLLMFAO!!!!

okay....*breaths heavily* how do I reply to forums? It says I am not eligable.

holy -blam!-.........one of those guys said that Shepard could beat the Chief in every imaginable facet.

I have lost faith in humanity.


It appears we reacted the same, well except that I hit the keyboard with my head when I first saw it... I was pretty much the only one that actually had arguments supported by canon, not personal prefernace...

Well to reply you need an account, but even then you can't reply to that certain thread since its locked, I was in the middle of writing a reply to one of the morons, buit then the thread got locked >:(

Those are ME fanboys for ya, they so delusional that its ridiculous, I still remember one guy who literally said
"ME is more realstic since they have many humanoid aliens, flying cars, Galactic Peace and Humans are not some evil -blam!-s with no morality at all, unlike that ridiculously backwards Imperialist UNSC."

After spending alot of time on BSN I have lost faith in ME's fanbase...


you were the guy who had wrex as an avatar right?

I agreed with everything you said.

  • 12.03.2010 6:51 PM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins


Posted by: Tibetz
Um, Mass Effect tech outmatches pretty much all Halo tech. (Forerunners vs Protheans not included).
protheans actually werent anymore advanced than the current citadel specieses. the reapers build the mass relays and citadel, the protheans just found it like we did.

  • 12.03.2010 7:16 PM PDT

I am a monument to all your sins


Posted by: POMC S117 Owns
Yes lets see.

Nova Bomb can destroy a planet.
Its magnitude is 1.2 petatons.

Shiva is smaller than the bomb used to destroy Hiroshima but is over 10 times more destructive.

Super MAC nuff said.
where'd you get those NOVA stats, they seem ridiculously overpowered

[Edited on 12.03.2010 7:34 PM PST]

  • 12.03.2010 7:34 PM PDT


Posted by: Darthbill99

Posted by: POMC S117 Owns
Yes lets see.

Nova Bomb can destroy a planet.
Its magnitude is 1.2 petatons.

Shiva is smaller than the bomb used to destroy Hiroshima but is over 10 times more destructive.

Super MAC nuff said.
where'd you get those NOVA stats, they seem ridiculously overpowered


mathematical formula from Halopedia. It takes the effects, distance and magnitude of the explosion into account and comes out to 1.2 petatons.

  • 12.03.2010 7:38 PM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
you were the guy who had wrex as an avatar right?

I agreed with everything you said.

No, I was the guy with the Liara Johnson avatar. Even when I made my arguments ME fanboy friendly (gave ME more credit then it deserves, for example that S|hepard actually has a chance against John-117) still not even one of them understood it...


Posted by: Darthbill99
where'd you get those NOVA stats, they seem ridiculously overpowered

You know that is the entire point of the NOVA bomb, right?
Funny though, when I said the yield of the NOVA to a bunch of ME fanboys they started to yell something about ridiculously overpowered, its not realstic since we can't make it now...
But this also comes with people who compared ship to ship combat to WWII dogfights o_O

[Edited on 12.04.2010 12:05 AM PST]

  • 12.03.2010 11:47 PM PDT

BI-MU ka-blam!-aku
FURASSHUBAKKU ni yatsu no kage
CHAR CHAR CHAR CHAR CHAR CHAR

I agree with you 100% about the ME Nova bomb hate.
You know what the UNSC has that many others don't? Its special... it is looked down upon... Have they ever told us?

Luck

Luck is what we have to win the war. Along with our courage and skill, we will prevail!

  • 12.04.2010 12:40 AM PDT

BI-MU ka-blam!-aku
FURASSHUBAKKU ni yatsu no kage
CHAR CHAR CHAR CHAR CHAR CHAR

Let's see... Dreadnoughts' sizes max to one kilometers. A Halcyon-class is 1.17 kilometers long. Imagine how many Halcyons you could build, armed with the needle beam technology the Sangehieli installed on many of their ships after the war.

Pinpoint accuracy from over 2,500,000 miles. But the Dreadnought slugs every 2 seconds at 1.3% the speed of light? Hm, formidable, compared to the actual light speed beams of the UNSC, not to mention the 360 degree 67% light speed MACs coupled with the magnetic coiling technology Cortana transfered over to High-Com after First Strike. A UNSC fleet could jump in 50 meters away from the Citadel fleet, and blast away. If the enemy is in FLT, the AI could track them, jump to the destination before them, and be in wait. The enemy can't jump away, as they must discharge their drive cores, no? The Citadel cannot stand the courage and bravery of the UNSC. They will rely on their precious Dreadnoughts and Cruisers as the trump card. Only 81, compared to the superior Marathon-class' that number in the hundreds. I am speaking in terms of the current state of the UNSC.
If you actually brought the Separatist ships, that count as allies to the UNSC, everything would be over. Imagine the supercruisers that surrounded the Citadel and simply ran into the enemy by accident! 3.5 kilometers of sheer power.

  • 12.04.2010 1:22 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

i realised that the UNSC could destroy the mass relays rendering all ME ships virtualy siting ducks.They don't have cole protocol to stop the UNSC and even if they create they don't have control over all ships

  • 12.04.2010 4:48 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

halo encyclopedia says that the UNSC has at least 2000 ships and if they were figthing against the citadel they would have a giant advantege because they have over 800 colony with no chance of being atacked

  • 12.04.2010 7:26 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

sory i was wrong i remember seing in one off the halopedia pages but i don't now whats the name

  • 12.04.2010 7:56 AM PDT



Posted by: dr spartan32
[quote]Posted by: Vercetti24
[quote]Posted by: dr spartan32
You mentioned a "blast radius", but in fact, a nuke in space would produce no shock wave and only produce a limited EMP.Here is some information on ze subject.



wait,wait,wait....you're saying that, just because it can't happen in real life, it cant happen in Halo?

When it has been proven to happen countless times, especially in the case of NOVA?

Fine, then eezo doesn't exist. all of ME's ships are sitting ducks, the UNSC comes in and wrecks the whole defense fleet.

Seriously, you cant say that. If its possible on one universe it can happen in both; I know Halo's not perfectly realistic, but at least it doesn't have magical elements.

And I realize ME's ships are fast, but with an AI at the controls of a MAC, he/she might as well be able to hit a Longsword at full speed with one. In the history of Halo, only one time was it ever recorded an AI missed a MAC shot, and that was because his target caused a detonation, sending his ship sideways out of the way.

The Prowlers pulse lasers must also be considered. They fire at light speed and bypass kinetic barriers.

Archer and nuclear missiles have target tracking, so you can't really dodge them.

I can think of innumeral reasons why the UNSC could win, at least one case where they need not even fight (NOVA).

I still see no reason as to why this arguement continues.

in the case of the Citadel attacking UNSC space, the SMAC guns have the firepower and speed to turn the mightiest ME dreadnaught to dust. Literally, at 56 gigatons per shot, and ME's ships capable of taking hurt only in the kiloton ranges, the shear power of the strike would turn it to dust.

Hell, it can turn two Covie ships to shrapnel and one more into a burning dead hulk with one shot anyway. And they won't be dodging a 4% the speed of light as well.

And like Xhalavor said, if the Seperatists are taken into account (technically UNSC allies) the games over, with the ME having no shield defense against energy.

[Edited on 12.04.2010 8:13 AM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 8:06 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: dr spartan32
Posted by: fsabran
halo encyclopedia says that the UNSC has at least 2000 ships
I've scrolled through the Encyclopaedia and I couldn't find anything, and a google search didn't reveal anything. Could you give me a page number, please?

It is not from the Encyclopaedia. It comes from the Halo Reach Data Pads. From Data Pad 10, the number of UNSC ships can be worked out.

The Earth is 126 billion acres.

If 15 seconds for one acre, then 60'000 years for the whole Earth. That is for one ship.

"Assuming that the Covenant has an equal number of ships to Humanity, then using all of their ships on one planet would take them 30 years" - Paraphrasing Data Pad 10.

So in doing it in 30 years they must have 2000 roughly, which was stated as being equal to the UNSC's numbers as a point of reference. That was in 2526 as well; just after the beginning of the war.

  • 12.04.2010 8:19 AM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh


Posted by: dr spartan32
Posted by: Vercetti24
Posted by: dr spartan32
You mentioned a "blast radius", but in fact, a nuke in space would produce no shock wave and only produce a limited EMP.Here is some information on ze subject.



wait,wait,wait....you're saying that, just because it can't happen in real life, it cant happen in Halo?

Well according to dlusional ME fanboy logic (and I am quite famiar with them) if it can't happen in RL it can't happen in fiction! Of course the fact that their entire tech is based on magic is conviently ignored...

When it has been proven to happen countless times, especially in the case of NOVA?
In the ME universe nukes are like that and he already tried to apply ME rules in Halo (with the lasers) I'm not suprised he's doing it again...

Fine, then eezo doesn't exist. all of ME's ships are sitting ducks, the UNSC comes in and wrecks the whole defense fleet.
Not just their ships, their weapons don't work too! Every frakking weapon they use!

Seriously, you cant say that. If its possible on one universe it can happen in both; I know Halo's not perfectly realistic, but at least it doesn't have magical elements.
ME's side always says things like that in VS discussions...
Actually Halo is one of the most realstic Sci-Fi universes I have ever seen...

And I realize ME's ships are fast, but with an AI at the controls of a MAC, he/she might as well be able to hit a Longsword at full speed with one. In the history of Halo, only one time was it ever recorded an AI missed a MAC shot, and that was because his target caused a detonation, sending his ship sideways out of the way.
Especially after AIs crack their tactics (probably in around 30s). The problem that we have with this is that ME's side fails to understand a Halo AI is superior to their best AIs...

The Prowlers pulse lasers must also be considered. They fire at light speed and bypass kinetic barriers.
And there's basically no armor under the barriers. But since ME lasers suck it means Halo's do too! -_-

Archer and nuclear missiles have target tracking, so you can't really dodge them.
Some people in this thread seem to fail what a guided missle means, especially if its guided by a frakking AI!
GARDIAN defenses would be overhwelmed prety quick, since they couldn't hold out against around 100 geth misiles, UNSC ships are capable of firing thousands or Archers at once, Citadel ships will be forced to shoot them down with the GARDIANs, those crappy lasers will overheat and then UNSC will luanch their nukes, if the Archers that broke through didn't destroyed the ships already.

I can think of innumeral reasons why the UNSC could win, at least one case where they need not even fight (NOVA).
The other one is that UNSC has a real war machine and is not lead by a bunch of politicians who really enjoy exploring their asses with their heads...

I still see no reason as to why this arguement continues.
Neither do I, but I know why it still continues, I don't think I have to tell you that...

in the case of the Citadel attacking UNSC space, the SMAC guns have the firepower and speed to turn the mightiest ME dreadnaught to dust. Literally, at 56 gigatons per shot, and ME's ships capable of taking hurt only in the kiloton ranges, the shear power of the strike would turn it to dust.
Well Longswords with SHIVAs already have enough firepower to turn "mightiest" ME Dreadnoughts to dust...

[quote]Hell, it can turn two Covie ships to shrapnel and one more into a burning dead hulk with one shot anyway. And they won't be dodging a 4% the speed of light as well.

I'm pretty sure a SMAC shot will gut Reapers too...

[quote]And like Xhalavor said, if the Seperatists are taken into account (technically UNSC allies) the games over, with the ME having no shield defense against energy.

Well the Citadel Fleet is made out of 3 species, 4 if you count the xeno-loving Star Trek humans so basically they are all allied with each other, just as UNSC and the Seperatists, imagine the massive stomp then...

Major on the console: Citadel ships, unorganized line. Shipmaster! They outnumber us, 5:1!
Rtas: This is not an even fight, for them then *chuckle* All cruisers fire at will, burn their various hides! *pushes a button* To all UNSC forces, happy nuking!

  • 12.04.2010 9:36 AM PDT