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Subject: Citadel Fleet (Mass Effect) VS UNSC (Halo)


Posted by: Vercetti24

Major on the console: Citadel ships, unorganized line. Shipmaster! They outnumber us, 5:1!
Rtas: This is not an even fight, for them then *chuckle* All cruisers fire at will, burn their various hides! *pushes a button* To all UNSC forces, happy nuking!


lulz.

  • 12.04.2010 10:01 AM PDT

Posted by: dr spartan32
Saying massive in itself lacks substance, but I meant in comparison to non-military spaceships and other eezo use in ME. But their ME fields gives their ships massive delta-v, they can accelerate, de-accelerate and manoeuvre faster than Newtons laws allow. If any UNSC ships attempted anything like that, they'd be torn apart, or at least kill any crew inside. Also, the Citdadel cutscenes in ME1 have been declared non-canon.And where the frak did you got this from?[/b]
Well seeing as UNSC don't use magic to propel their ships it's not suprisng... Only frigates have been stated to have superior manouvrebality, why ME ships will outmanouver UNSC ships UNSC is the one with AIs to compensate for that.

"Flying" in tight formation in space doesn't have alot of advantages, space is three-dimensional, it's not a "wet navy-battleship duel". Here is some interesting information on the subject.
These are tatics, this not even an argument since they can be changed with one order. And since when does UNSC not utilize space being 3D?

Diffraction is very real, I'm sure you've heard of the double-slit experiment. And don't you think there's a reason why they're called "point-defense-lasers" in Halo? The only power output we've got for lasers in Halo is in Contact Harvest, in which the Covenant lasers are in the kilowatt range.
Why does ME side always use RL things for their arguments? Halo is frakking fiction, RL does not apply to fiction.
Oh and Pulse Lasers are light ship-to-ship weapons, but they usually do the job of point defense weapons.
But since you put it that way, Element Zero is not real, it bends existing laws of physics so it means it can't exist in fiction! Look, your weapons are not firing anymore, your ships can't enter FTL! Look, there's UNSC! Your ships are gone!

There is no way to be sure either way. Remeber that archers travel extremely slow, slower than MACs, which travel at a pathetic 15km/s (IRRC, was some time since I read FOR, please correct me).
Which part of guided missile you don't understand? UNSC can aurround Me fleets and spam a wall of Archers.
A ship-born MAC could never realisticly hit a ME ship.
This is just plain out delusional denial since you know ME ships will get gutted then.
I remember turian Heavy Cruisers not really taking any evasive actions when being attacked by ridiculously slow Geth weapons...

Well, if UNSC ships are allowed to use state of the art, limited supply weapons (IE NOVA), I thought it would only be fair if some ships could be equipped, but agreed, silaris is very limited.
But the difference is that UNSC did had NOVAs and used them. No Citadel ship is known to be equipped with Silaris, sicne its to expansive. Only frigates could be clad in Siliris armor, but still in very limited numbers. And its not lke Silris will save them...

Fighters have eezo cores, meaning they could easily outmaneouver Longswords.
We cannot say anything about that part, since we never say a ME fighter in action, but I agree that they would be more manouvrable. Longswords are stated to be cheap to produce and I'm pretty sure hits from Longswords will hurt alot, since they have 110mm Rotary Cannons (a Gatling Gun firing 110mm shells) and 120mm Ventral Guns which can move independetly of the Interceptor and well they are 120mm. Plus Longwsords can also cary guided missiles.

Dreadnoughts open up fire at tens of thousands of kilometres, far further than any UNSC vessel has fired in any book. Dreadnoughts fire at 4025 KM/s, leaving little room to alter trajectory. (UNSC ships can't even outrun guided plasma from the Covenant, which evidently travels even slower than MAC rounds).
Dreadnoughts do that and only Dreadnoughts.
Seriously, which part of guided you don't understand? THEY FOLLOW YOU, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!
Outrunning something like that is impossible, jet figfhters are still taken down by missiles that are slower then they can fly, believe me the Citadel Fleet won't eb able to outrun Plasma Torpedos.
Dodging 20kg of metal that flies in a straight line is not the same as dodging a ball of Plasma that follows you around, UNSC ships can fire their emergency trusthers.
And if UNSC ships are under cover of SMACs then you are the one that is screwed.

I think you overestimate the speed of UNSC slipspace. Remember, UNSC spacy only occupied a small sector of the entire galaxy. IIRC, the number was a few lightyears/day. An civilian ME ship can travel 12 lightyears/day.
The cruising speed of UNSC ships is 3LY/D, but smaller ships are faster, I think UNSC were able to reach 10LY/D, maybe more if Slipspace co-operates.
I would like to see where you saw that, I don't remember seeing anything about speed of civilians ships...

It's all over ME how ME fields reduce or increase the mass of ships, how they can therfore accelerate or deaccelerate ludicrously fast.
That does not mean their ship can pull off barrel rolls...

VI's essentialy perform the same task as AI's, AIs are still limited by UNSC ships.
VI's are inferior to UNSC dumb AIs, AIs do those tasks much faster, plus they can save your ass since they actually think...
As I said, when emerging from slipspace, you do so many hundred thousands of kilometres off course, and releasing vast amounts of cherenkov radiation. ME ships would easily intercept potential nukes that would be sent through.
We already explained this part so I won't bother to answer, plus if UNSC launched a NOVA as a suprise attack then the Council which has no idea about Slipsapce won't recognize at first its a super nuke...
Doesn't UNSC essentialy only use MACs, Archers, Nukes and point defence guns?
Of which they are many varaints availible...
A megaton nuke is hardly that impressive. We've had megaton nukes IRL for decades, ME forces also have nukes.
I think you missed the point, its not about how impressive they are, its about that Me ships get pwned by double digit kilotons. No they don't, the Council banned them. They are not in their weapon arsenal that measn they can't use it in thsi battle.
SMACsThey seem to be the only real threat, even capable of hitting ME vessels. But ME forces could easily send a few fighters/drones/boarderships to take them out before attacking with their capital ships, remember the boarding crafts in Halo 2? They had no problem docking with the SMACs and taking them out.

You forgot one thing, those MAC's will be protected by UNSC Defense fleets with Longswords which are perfect for destroying boarding craft plus UNSC ships which are protected by the fact that Dreadoughts to come in effectieve range will have to come into SMAC range first and Earth has 300 of them, the citadel fleet has only 80 Dreadnoughts...
Oh and we don't even know what kind of boarding craft the Council even has, hell we don't even know if they have any.
They should, but I didn't saw anything about them. If you have proof they have boarding craft I would gladly see it.

Not really. Alot of people in this thread said "lol, UNSC would activate halo rings and go into the shield worlds, we win LOL /THREAD", but they seem to forget that every person who knew about the shield world is now trapped in it, and without a keyship it's impossible to open a portal to the Ark.
Do you really fail to see that if Covies are brought in everything in ME will be dying? And if the ancient races can join too everyone will be dead in couple of hours?

I disagree.
Of course you do, since you don't want to face the facts that your favorite universe is not so powerful as you make them to be and that it will lose, it's undersatndable.

Perhaps, but anyone here would be lieing if they said they were completely unbiased. A lot of people here arguing for UNSC even seem display joy and satisfaction after supposidely winning an argument for the UNSC.
Well seeing as UNSC is usually put against impossible odds here can you really blame them? Wouldn't you be happy if you won in an argument?

[Edited on 12.04.2010 4:08 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 10:55 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

the problem of the citadel is that their leaders are a bunch of fricking r&tards that don't do absolutely nothing other from dismissing obvious things and their closest to a dark evil and misterious organization like ONI is the Cerberus that hate aliens and rather prefer alying with the UNSC then the damm alien hippies

[Edited on 12.04.2010 11:36 AM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 11:35 AM PDT

Posted by: fsabran
the problem of the citadel is that their leaders are a bunch of fricking r&tards that don't do absolutely nothing other from dismissing obvious things and their closest to a dark evil and misterious organization like ONI is the Cerberus that hate aliens and rather prefer alying with the UNSC then the damm alien hippies

Pretty much what I was trying to say, but less directly since I'm used to BSN and the hordes of delusional Paragon ME fanboys who think 100% Paragon is realstic and totally not a Disney world...
Seriously, I despise the Alliance, they don't give a frak about humanity, only what the aliens think of them and what's the best way to kiss alien ass... And the best thing is the Council only cares about their own species!

The Council could've had a chance if they weren't a bunch of space hippies and banned nukes...

ONI would be considered a bunch of terrorists there, only STG and their genophage comes closer to ONI, however ONI would've simply wiped out the krogan.

  • 12.04.2010 11:45 AM PDT


Posted by: Vercetti24
Posted by: fsabran
the problem of the citadel is that their leaders are a bunch of fricking r&tards that don't do absolutely nothing other from dismissing obvious things and their closest to a dark evil and misterious organization like ONI is the Cerberus that hate aliens and rather prefer alying with the UNSC then the damm alien hippies

Pretty much what I was trying to say, but less directly since I'm used to BSN and the hordes of delusional Paragon ME fanboys who think 100% Paragon is realstic and totally not a Disney world...
Seriously, I despise the Alliance, they don't give a frak about humanity, only what the aliens think of them and what's the best way to kiss alien ass... And the best thing is the Council only cares about their own species!

The Council could've had a chance if they weren't a bunch of space hippies and banned nukes...

ONI would be considered a bunch of terrorists there, only STG and their genophage comes closer to ONI, however ONI would've simply wiped out the krogan.


the more the fanboys try to deny the UNSC's superior prowess the more crap they pull out of their ass we don't even know exists/is possible.

like the alliance banning nukes; even I knew that and I barely know anything about Mass Effect!

its so sad....

[Edited on 12.04.2010 11:59 AM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 11:57 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

i think serveral human colonies would disband the alliance and join the UNSC or even the whole alliance or some hight ranking militarys ho hate Udina for obvious reasons

  • 12.04.2010 12:05 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24
Posted by: fsabran
the problem of the citadel is that their leaders are a bunch of fricking r&tards that don't do absolutely nothing other from dismissing obvious things and their closest to a dark evil and misterious organization like ONI is the Cerberus that hate aliens and rather prefer alying with the UNSC then the damm alien hippies

Pretty much what I was trying to say, but less directly since I'm used to BSN and the hordes of delusional Paragon ME fanboys who think 100% Paragon is realstic and totally not a Disney world...
Seriously, I despise the Alliance, they don't give a frak about humanity, only what the aliens think of them and what's the best way to kiss alien ass... And the best thing is the Council only cares about their own species!

The Council could've had a chance if they weren't a bunch of space hippies and banned nukes...

ONI would be considered a bunch of terrorists there, only STG and their genophage comes closer to ONI, however ONI would've simply wiped out the krogan.


the more the fanboys try to deny the UNSC's superior prowess the more crap they pull out of their ass we don't even know exists/is possible.

like the alliance banning nukes; even I knew that and I barely know anything about Mass Effect!

its so sad....

Or they make crap out about UNSC, I think you remember that thread I posted a link to yesterday?

Or a cutscene that is magically considered non-canon because it's incovienent since not even one of the ME ships is doing barrel rolls and is not able to dodge missiles that fly slower then MAC rounds... Thge last time I checked it was canon and I regulary visit BSN...

The Alliance self actually had nukes, Pre-First Contact War, its the Council that banned them and now Alliance doesn't have them since thy are a part of the Council, hell nobody seems to have nukes anymore.

The thing that I find sad s that we are on B.net and Halo is still getting barely support, while on BSN ME has hordes of delusional fanboys...
Were are our own fanboys? o_O



[Edited on 12.04.2010 12:19 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 12:10 PM PDT

Posted by: fsabran
i think serveral human colonies would disband the alliance and join the UNSC or even the whole alliance or some hight ranking militarys ho hate Udina for obvious reasons

The Alliance doesn't even have real control over colonies, hell humans in the Terminus Systems live there since they wanted the Alliance to leave them alone...
Plus the Alliance is privately funded, UNSC does not have that problem.
Admiral Hackett and Renegade Shepard will inmediately join the UNSC, paragon Shep being the idealstic idiot he/she is will of course stay...

  • 12.04.2010 12:19 PM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

I think the paragon shepard would join because he do wat is best for the galaxy thats why he joined Cerberus

  • 12.04.2010 2:38 PM PDT

Posted by: fsabran
I think the paragon shepard would join because he do wat is best for the galaxy thats why he joined Cerberus

Nope, since he will only do it if it follows his superior moral code, UNSC does not follow his moral code since UNSC is not made out of idealstic & naive fools. Paragon Shep wouldn't survive long in the Haloverse...
He would probably try to talk about the conflict with an Elite thinking his paragon interrupts will work, but Elites have better stuff, Plasma Interrupts...

Neither of Shepard's actually joined Cerberus, you were forced to work with them, now since unlike paragons who tend to care more about aliens then humans I don't mind it, but the paragons can only scream EVIL!!!!! EVIL!!!!!

  • 12.04.2010 2:48 PM PDT


Posted by: Vercetti24
Posted by: fsabran
I think the paragon shepard would join because he do wat is best for the galaxy thats why he joined Cerberus

Nope, since he will only do it if it follows his superior moral code, UNSC does not follow his moral code since UNSC is not made out of idealstic & naive fools. Paragon Shep wouldn't survive long in the Haloverse...
He would probably try to talk about the conflict with an Elite thinking his paragon interrupts will work, but Elites have better stuff, Plasma Interrupts...

Neither of Shepard's actually joined Cerberus, you were forced to work with them, now since unlike paragons who tend to care more about aliens then humans I don't mind it, but the paragons can only scream EVIL!!!!! EVIL!!!!!


Elite: You will burn in a thousand hells! *raises sword*

Paragon Shep: Hold on, let's work this out.

Elite: *cuts him in half* They're even dumber then the UNSC...>.>

  • 12.04.2010 4:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Vercetti24
Posted by: fsabran
I think the paragon shepard would join because he do wat is best for the galaxy thats why he joined Cerberus

Nope, since he will only do it if it follows his superior moral code, UNSC does not follow his moral code since UNSC is not made out of idealstic & naive fools. Paragon Shep wouldn't survive long in the Haloverse...
He would probably try to talk about the conflict with an Elite thinking his paragon interrupts will work, but Elites have better stuff, Plasma Interrupts...

Neither of Shepard's actually joined Cerberus, you were forced to work with them, now since unlike paragons who tend to care more about aliens then humans I don't mind it, but the paragons can only scream EVIL!!!!! EVIL!!!!!


Elite: You will burn in a thousand hells! *raises sword*

Paragon Shep: Hold on, let's work this out.

Elite: *cuts him in half* They're even dumber then the UNSC...>.>

You can also use a paragon interrupt!

*Elite raises sword*
*presses LT*
Shep: Come here...
*hugs the Elite*
Elite: lolwort?
*Elites picks up Shepard and throws him away*
Shep: But I was good! Being good always works where I come from! I am the new frakking Captain Picard!
Elite: Just die you delusional heretic! *slices Shepard in half*

Funfact: Now I'm seeing people on BSN saying they want nukes to defeat the Reapers, which faction banned them since WMDs scare the crap out of them and which faction's motto is "Nuke those alien SoBs!" again?

[Edited on 12.04.2010 4:47 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 4:46 PM PDT

/\ XD

[Edited on 12.04.2010 11:11 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 11:11 PM PDT


Posted by: RatInDaKitchen
mass effect would kick ass no ship in the halo universe would be able to withstand a blast from any citadel defense ship the UNSCs blast would scratch some paint and the covenant armada would be able to breach one ship if they put ten of their shots together plus mass effect ships shoot and carry on shooting covenant ships put all their power into one blast it takes very precious seconds to recharge also about Spartans boarding the ship their is only one spartan left (assuming the left over Spartans haven't found their way out of shield world) that is not enough. Plus the armor even in the infantry is much stronger than any body armor in the halo universe. It'd be like bringing toy guns to war.
Heard of a NOVA bomb, that would wipe out their fleet in seconds. ME<Halo

  • 12.05.2010 2:45 AM PDT


Posted by: MajorPayne452

Posted by: RatInDaKitchen
mass effect would kick ass no ship in the halo universe would be able to withstand a blast from any citadel defense ship the UNSCs blast would scratch some paint and the covenant armada would be able to breach one ship if they put ten of their shots together plus mass effect ships shoot and carry on shooting covenant ships put all their power into one blast it takes very precious seconds to recharge also about Spartans boarding the ship their is only one spartan left (assuming the left over Spartans haven't found their way out of shield world) that is not enough. Plus the armor even in the infantry is much stronger than any body armor in the halo universe. It'd be like bringing toy guns to war.
Heard of a NOVA bomb, that would wipe out their fleet in seconds. ME<Halo

He will dismiss it as unrealstic, leave this delusional fanboy alone, unless you have a way to launch him into the sun...
It's funny how in his world megaton to Petaton yield nukes and MACs varying from power from 60 kiloton to 51,6 Gigaton won't even scratch the paint on ships that get gutted by 38 kilotons, is it some new kind of shielding or something? Is it another magical element that protects ME ships from receving any damage from other universes? To be honest I wouldn't be suprsied...

  • 12.05.2010 6:20 AM PDT
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I haven't seen one unreasonable design in ME ships,they are streamline and the ships capable of planet fall even have heat absorbing ceramics on the underside.frigates and smaller ships ae aerodynamic,engine cells are offset from the main body,thrusters can move indepentely of one another,thrusters on the nose of the ship,...all practical if anything they are desgined more like space

But let's talk about the UNSC ship design

problem one:they are square,squares have huge surface area,and surface area is bad during reentry more area to apply heat and force to meaning with real world physics a USNC ship would snap in half like the star wars ship in

problem 2:made of titanium and no known heat absorbing materials.Titanium A is a BS metal and they've never stated its properties,but seeing as its titanium it has the same weakness roughly as durable as steel,low melting ponit.Since all UNSC ships can planet fall,in real world physics theyde start to melt since titaniums melting point is amlsot 1000 c below reetry temperature.

-Thats Haltard BS,to surspend your disbelief and accept the shaw-fujikawa drive and not element zero is jsut fanboyism

Slipspace and the entire thing is BS technobabble and you have to suspend a large amount of disbelief to accept it


-weak point,when you play a game with choice you have to be rewarded in some way for your actions,other then what shepard does,which is obviously either good or BAD the ME unvierse is grey,very grey.Tell me a faction tha is definitely good or evil

halo does not have a realistic approach,if you believe nuke it,glass it,blast it is realistic then where have you been?The flood are obviously the antagonist because their existance would wipe our the unvierse.its so abvious that it hurts.

-the covenant are morons
-the unsc is known for making the worst tech ever
Other then the treaties taht united the world under one power they have no notable civil agreements or notable negotiations

dont even pull that crap,ME is a more beliveable unvierse seeing as how conflict erupts,but usually come to an end with civil treaties and negotiation when recourses grow low..like in the real world.unsc and covenant jsut throw recourses at each other and complain that their numbers are falling

if only they didn't have to fight through those populated systems to get there,then hold positions ships that were in the area.trying to take a rely could result in an ambush..fight lcoal forces only to have a fleet teleport behind you or on your flanks,...

um..sovereigns shields were down,and distruptor torpedos sue gravitic forces to shred metal theyd gut a UNSC ship since they totally lack shielding


What?UNSC is an actuel military and ME is like united federation???
wrong on so many levels..why dont you explain yourself

all in all besides halos big numbers that hey cant really back up anymore

UNSC ships are unshielded,if normany and the codex is an accurate view of ME frigate then theyd literally fly circles around all but the USNC fighters.its a fight or who get hit first and thats all,but all the evidence ponits to ME having better defenses or rather no one has shown UnScNdefenses

  • 12.05.2010 9:12 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

you seem to be forgeting that the council has 3 main disavanteges wat wass suposed to be the leadership is concentrated in one place. They need the mass relays. they don't have briliant strategists or super AI's only dumb strategists
and reard&d robots

  • 12.05.2010 9:37 AM PDT

And when I thought this place was free of hypocrite ME fanboys and their realstic arguments...
But seeing as this person has only played Halo 3 (and not much of it) I'm not worried, what worries me is that ME fanboys ever bother to come here with their delusional ideas...
Posted by: Mass Cat
I haven't seen one unreasonable design in ME ships

ME ships are all made too look fancy with fancy paintjobs and not-practical designs plus they forget to use armor on their ships, which is pretty stupid since kinetic barriers are kind of inferior...

]problem one:they are square,squares have huge surface area,and surface area is bad during reentry more area to apply heat and force to meaning with real world physics a USNC ship would snap in half like the star wars ship in
Problem of your problem: GUESS WHAT, HALO IS NOT REAL LIFE!

problem 2:made of titanium and no known heat absorbing materials.Titanium A is a BS metal and they've never stated its properties,but seeing as its titanium it has the same weakness roughly as durable as steel,low melting ponit.Since all UNSC ships can planet fall,in real world physics theyde start to melt since titaniums melting point is amlsot 1000 c below reetry temperature.
See problem of you problem.

-Thats Haltard BS,to surspend your disbelief and accept the shaw-fujikawa drive and not element zero is jsut fanboyism
And of course, the pissed off fanboy starts to use insults...
Slipspace is theoritically possible, we simply don't have the tech and can't generate the amount of power for it. Because we can't do it it does not mean its not possible.
Eezo on the other side is pure magic.

Slipspace and the entire thing is BS technobabble and you have to suspend a large amount of disbelief to accept it
Ah the ME fanboy logic...
Theoritically posible technobabble <<<<<<< MAGIC


-weak point,when you play a game with choice you have to be rewarded in some way for your actions,other then what shepard does,which is obviously either good or BAD the ME unvierse is grey,very grey.Tell me a faction tha is definitely good or evil
Of course, but it should apply to renegades too...
*waits for the predictable counter-argument*
If ME universe was very grey some stupid paragon choices would backfire... ME universe is grey, but far from very grey.


halo does not have a realistic approach,if you believe nuke it,glass it,blast it is realistic then where have you been?The flood are obviously the antagonist because their existance would wipe our the unvierse.its so abvious that it hurts.
*sigh* Do I sense another ME fanboy that thinks using violence in a war is wrong? Which part of war do you not understand?
No they aren't, the Gravemind beliefs he's saving the universe, but since I doubt you have any real knowledge of the Haloverse I'm sure youi never knew that and now will claim this is BS...

-the covenant are morons
No, not really. Prophets and Sangheilli are actually pretty smart. Brutes are indeed morons, Kig-Yar are smart when its about saving their asses and Unggoy can be smart. But who cares since ME does not stand a chance against the Covenant? And if its a full blown universe battle all factions are allied with each other. And no you cannot exclude the Flood.

-the unsc is known for making the worst tech ever
And the ME fantards believeing that if you still use conventional firearms all you tech must suck...
Funny how with some things UNSC is far away ahead of ME, but since they don't have flying cars it means their tech sucks!

Other then the treaties taht united the world under one power they have no notable civil agreements or notable negotiations
You seriously don't know -blam!- about the Haloverse...
Oh and Halo is not about endless politics, since UNSc has nothing to do with it!

dont even pull that crap,ME is a more beliveable unvierse seeing as how conflict erupts,but usually come to an end with civil treaties and negotiation when recourses grow low..like in the real world.unsc and covenant jsut throw recourses at each other and complain that their numbers are falling
Seriously, GTFO and go worship ME on BSN. DO YOU HAVE ANY -blam!- IDEA HOW THE WAR STARTED?!
People I think we should bring this idiot to an Elite Councilor and see if he can talk this out...
*press RT for Plasma Interrupt*
Of course how usually ME fanboys think the future would look like then yes, for you it is much more believable.

if only they didn't have to fight through those populated systems to get there,then hold positions ships that were in the area.trying to take a rely could result in an ambush..fight lcoal forces only to have a fleet teleport behind you or on your flanks,...
You know, quotes are pretty handy things since I seriously have no idea what the -blam!- are you now talking about and if you weren't a delusional ME fanboy I would bother to look what you mean, but now I don't frakking care.

um..sovereigns shields were down,and distruptor torpedos sue gravitic forces to shred metal theyd gut a UNSC ship since they totally lack shielding
In ME fanboy world not having shielding means of course you not have any defenses... And those "shileds"of yours are to pathetic to be a problem to the UNSC...

What?UNSC is an actuel military and ME is like united federation???
wrong on so many levels..why dont you explain yourself

If you honestly think the Citadel forces are not like the United Federation of Planets at all and UNSC is not a realstic military organization (there's a reason why ME is Space Opera and Halo Military Sci-Fi) then I won't even waste my time to explain it to you since you won't even listen to it...

all in all besides halos big numbers that hey cant really back up anymore
Again, what the -blam!- do you mean with that? Is it another "not possible in RL argument"?

UNSC ships are unshielded,if normany and the codex is an accurate view of ME frigate then theyd literally fly circles around all but the USNC fighters.its a fight or who get hit first and thats all,but all the evidence ponits to ME having better defenses or rather no one has shown UnScNdefenses

Seriously, why I even bother to argue with a retard who doesn't know -blam!- and with -blam!- I really mean -blam!- about the Haloverse... Since I'm pretty sure that Halo 3 campaign is your only experiance with Halo I'm not suprised you think nobody has shown UNSC defenses, or maybe just defenses that ME could handle. SMACs are not one of them...

[Edited on 12.05.2010 10:34 AM PST]

  • 12.05.2010 10:07 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

how can one person think nuking unreal or anthietic okay wen we have only one fuced up planet but when we have hundred are you fuking kidindg me se Stargate Star craft gears , Supreme commander or even Star wars common how can someone be so fanboy

  • 12.05.2010 10:21 AM PDT

Posted by: fsabran
how can one person think nuking unreal or anthietic okay wen we have only one fuced up planet but when we have hundred are you fuking kidindg me se Stargate Star craft gears , Supreme commander or even Star wars common how can someone be so fanboy

See the problem with ME fanboys is that they think everything can be solved with talking, even if you want to talk with religious fanatics that believe you are not worthy of survival, because Bioware makes them believe it's possible...
They also tend to compare everything to RL where we don''t use nukes, because like you said we will be screwed too.

  • 12.05.2010 10:33 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

in the firt days of war ONI would infiltrate someone in the council and kill them same to the military or even infect world with the flood

  • 12.05.2010 10:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: Nocbl2
*looks at NOVA*

  • 12.05.2010 10:59 AM PDT


Posted by: Mass Cat
I haven't seen one unreasonable design in ME ships,they are streamline and the ships capable of planet fall even have heat absorbing ceramics on the underside.frigates and smaller ships ae aerodynamic,engine cells are offset from the main body,thrusters can move indepentely of one another,thrusters on the nose of the ship,...all practical if anything they are desgined more like space

But let's talk about the UNSC ship design

problem one:they are square,squares have huge surface area,and surface area is bad during reentry more area to apply heat and force to meaning with real world physics a USNC ship would snap in half like the star wars ship in

problem 2:made of titanium and no known heat absorbing materials.Titanium A is a BS metal and they've never stated its properties,but seeing as its titanium it has the same weakness roughly as durable as steel,low melting ponit.Since all UNSC ships can planet fall,in real world physics theyde start to melt since titaniums melting point is amlsot 1000 c below reetry temperature.

-Thats Haltard BS,to surspend your disbelief and accept the shaw-fujikawa drive and not element zero is jsut fanboyism

Slipspace and the entire thing is BS technobabble and you have to suspend a large amount of disbelief to accept it


-weak point,when you play a game with choice you have to be rewarded in some way for your actions,other then what shepard does,which is obviously either good or BAD the ME unvierse is grey,very grey.Tell me a faction tha is definitely good or evil

halo does not have a realistic approach,if you believe nuke it,glass it,blast it is realistic then where have you been?The flood are obviously the antagonist because their existance would wipe our the unvierse.its so abvious that it hurts.

-the covenant are morons
-the unsc is known for making the worst tech ever
Other then the treaties taht united the world under one power they have no notable civil agreements or notable negotiations

dont even pull that crap,ME is a more beliveable unvierse seeing as how conflict erupts,but usually come to an end with civil treaties and negotiation when recourses grow low..like in the real world.unsc and covenant jsut throw recourses at each other and complain that their numbers are falling

if only they didn't have to fight through those populated systems to get there,then hold positions ships that were in the area.trying to take a rely could result in an ambush..fight lcoal forces only to have a fleet teleport behind you or on your flanks,...

um..sovereigns shields were down,and distruptor torpedos sue gravitic forces to shred metal theyd gut a UNSC ship since they totally lack shielding


What?UNSC is an actuel military and ME is like united federation???
wrong on so many levels..why dont you explain yourself

all in all besides halos big numbers that hey cant really back up anymore

UNSC ships are unshielded,if normany and the codex is an accurate view of ME frigate then theyd literally fly circles around all but the USNC fighters.its a fight or who get hit first and thats all,but all the evidence ponits to ME having better defenses or rather no one has shown UnScNdefenses


first off, Slipspace is a scientific possibility, just with different terminology. Ever heard of wormholes? Microblack holes? Tacheon bursts?

All real world physics and theories that exist TODAY, not one magical element in the whole damn thing.

Bad: Reapers

Good: Citadel.

In Halo we have: The UNSC, not good due to their immoral attitudes and disregard for children, yet not bad because they understand that, sometimes the good of the many outweigh the good of the few

Covenant: Confused theologists who are searching for their role in the universe, and who have been delluded into thinking humanity is a plague, not realy bad huh? Cant blame them for falling to faith and religion

The Forerunners: Once thought pristine, but we now know to be possibly evil, on account of different view points on life, which lead to Forerunner Civil Wars (read the encyclopedia) and proceeded to reject their own beliefs to arguably save themselves.

Flood: Gravemind is not really evil, believing death and assimilation to be the only logical course in evolution. When he takes you, you gain knowledge, you are with those who you have loved and lost, but at the expense of your own life. Not really bad, is it.

No: Halo is realistic on account of the fact that on one side we have people blinded by faith who would destroy all in their path due to soley the belief that it is their gods wishes (which happens every single day of the year IRL) and on the other side we have the victims of conflict, who HAVE tried several times to initiate peaceful meetings with the aforementioned zealots who wish to burn them in their God's wishes.

it is a study of the human condition to build and destroy without pause, much more intelligent then a pretty generic sci-fi universe.

Good job explaining why the UNSC makes the worste tech ever, when they make technology that surpasses Mass Effect's universe in almost every imaginable facet save for shields (which they had anyway so that doesn't matter)

Again, the Covenant are not morons, just blinded by faith, a much more realistic approuch to an enemy then the Reapers "pwn everything you see because we can" approuch.

Can you not see you are a blind fanboy much like the Covenant and how they were blind theologists? The irony in your post is laughable. You literally proved how wrong you are by stating things that were blatantly wrong and yet defending them as fact.

The ME universe would get ripped to absolute indescribable shreds by Halo's. If the Covenant Seperatists decided to show up, a single Supercarrier could wreck everything ME tries to throw at it. The only imaginable thing that could bring down the Supercarrier's shields would be a nuclear bomb ranging in the megatons, and that's just for the shields.

One Assault Carrier survived almost everything the Pillar of Autumn through at it, and Supercarriers are those same ships on steroids times twenty.

The UNSC can launch nukes through slipspace; a single nuclear bomb could destroy a relay, and a single NOVA bomb could destroy the Citadel and the entire fleet.

Normally, I'd say there is no certainties in war, that there is always a chance for the underdogs. But this time there is no conceivable way the ME fleet could win.

There is a website called factpile where you match things up; one of the subjects was the entire ME universe with the entire Halo universe. The discussion ended in one page, with Halo as the de-facto victor.

You realize this, that ME can't win, so you went on to try and take stabs at how unrealistc Halo is and yet you have the God-Element that can make magic happen and you try to tell us about realism?

give me a break.

[Edited on 12.05.2010 11:44 AM PST]

  • 12.05.2010 11:19 AM PDT

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  • 12.05.2010 1:25 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Good job explaining why the UNSC makes the worste tech ever, when they make technology that surpasses Mass Effect's universe in almost every imaginable facet save for shields (which they had anyway so that doesn't matter)

But when UNSC menages to reverse engineer Covenant ship reactors this will be gone too, since the only thing UNSC lacks to install shields on their ships is something with eniuygh power for them and Halo's shields are superior to ME since they stop everything you trhow at them, not just fast moving kinetic energy...

Can you not see you are a blind fanboy much like the Covenant and how they were blind theologists? The irony in your post is laughable. You literally proved how wrong you are by stating things that were blatantly wrong and yet defending them as fact.
I love this part, and I doubt h will see that since it requires understanding of the Haloverse...

The ME universe would get ripped to absolute indescribable shreds by Halo's. If the Covenant Seperatists decided to show up, a single Supercarrier could wreck everything ME tries to throw at it. The only imaginable thing that could bring down the Supercarrier's shields would be a nuclear bomb ranging in the megatons, and that's just for the shields.
I actually think you will need gigaton yields to bring its shields down, hell I wouldn't be suprised if it survived a SMAC shot.


You realize this, that ME can't win, so you went on to try and take stabs at how unrealistc Halo is and yet you have the God-Element that can make magic happen and you try to tell us about realism?
This is something that always makes me lol, just look around the internets, ME fanboys are the one that will always compare everything to RL and claim how realstic their universe is...
Flipyap has something ton say about that.

I once saw an RPG Elitsts/ME fanboy comparing ME and Halo games and saying that Halo sucks because you shoot stuff all the time...
Wow, what a big frakking suprise, YOU SHOOT STUFF IN A FPS!

It's also funny how RPG Elitsts always deny the fact that ME2 plays like GoW is space with space magic...

ME had potential to be a really good universe, but Bioware had to put magic in it to appeal to their fanbase, but they still overdid the eezo crap. Everything runs on eezo: guns, ships, flying cars (one of the most ridiculous Sci-Fi ideas btw), biotics etc. Even the godamn Reapers run on eezo (well its logical since its their tech)...
Did you knew ME has so many cliches that on TV tropes the ME trope pages had to be split in two since the site couldn't handle it? Just look at it, its ridiculous!

While I love the ME games, the universe self does not really interest me, since its just another Space Opera...

Funfact: Guess who is writing the next ME novel...
THE GREAT WILLIAM C. DIETZ!!!!!!

[Edited on 12.05.2010 1:43 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2010 1:42 PM PDT