- Vercetti24
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Posted by: dr spartan32
Saying massive in itself lacks substance, but I meant in comparison to non-military spaceships and other eezo use in ME. But their ME fields gives their ships massive delta-v, they can accelerate, de-accelerate and manoeuvre faster than Newtons laws allow. If any UNSC ships attempted anything like that, they'd be torn apart, or at least kill any crew inside. Also, the Citdadel cutscenes in ME1 have been declared non-canon.And where the frak did you got this from?[/b]
Well seeing as UNSC don't use magic to propel their ships it's not suprisng... Only frigates have been stated to have superior manouvrebality, why ME ships will outmanouver UNSC ships UNSC is the one with AIs to compensate for that.
"Flying" in tight formation in space doesn't have alot of advantages, space is three-dimensional, it's not a "wet navy-battleship duel". Here is some interesting information on the subject.
These are tatics, this not even an argument since they can be changed with one order. And since when does UNSC not utilize space being 3D?
Diffraction is very real, I'm sure you've heard of the double-slit experiment. And don't you think there's a reason why they're called "point-defense-lasers" in Halo? The only power output we've got for lasers in Halo is in Contact Harvest, in which the Covenant lasers are in the kilowatt range.
Why does ME side always use RL things for their arguments? Halo is frakking fiction, RL does not apply to fiction.
Oh and Pulse Lasers are light ship-to-ship weapons, but they usually do the job of point defense weapons.
But since you put it that way, Element Zero is not real, it bends existing laws of physics so it means it can't exist in fiction! Look, your weapons are not firing anymore, your ships can't enter FTL! Look, there's UNSC! Your ships are gone!
There is no way to be sure either way. Remeber that archers travel extremely slow, slower than MACs, which travel at a pathetic 15km/s (IRRC, was some time since I read FOR, please correct me).
Which part of guided missile you don't understand? UNSC can aurround Me fleets and spam a wall of Archers.
A ship-born MAC could never realisticly hit a ME ship.
This is just plain out delusional denial since you know ME ships will get gutted then.
I remember turian Heavy Cruisers not really taking any evasive actions when being attacked by ridiculously slow Geth weapons...
Well, if UNSC ships are allowed to use state of the art, limited supply weapons (IE NOVA), I thought it would only be fair if some ships could be equipped, but agreed, silaris is very limited.
But the difference is that UNSC did had NOVAs and used them. No Citadel ship is known to be equipped with Silaris, sicne its to expansive. Only frigates could be clad in Siliris armor, but still in very limited numbers. And its not lke Silris will save them...
Fighters have eezo cores, meaning they could easily outmaneouver Longswords.
We cannot say anything about that part, since we never say a ME fighter in action, but I agree that they would be more manouvrable. Longswords are stated to be cheap to produce and I'm pretty sure hits from Longswords will hurt alot, since they have 110mm Rotary Cannons (a Gatling Gun firing 110mm shells) and 120mm Ventral Guns which can move independetly of the Interceptor and well they are 120mm. Plus Longwsords can also cary guided missiles.
Dreadnoughts open up fire at tens of thousands of kilometres, far further than any UNSC vessel has fired in any book. Dreadnoughts fire at 4025 KM/s, leaving little room to alter trajectory. (UNSC ships can't even outrun guided plasma from the Covenant, which evidently travels even slower than MAC rounds).
Dreadnoughts do that and only Dreadnoughts.
Seriously, which part of guided you don't understand? THEY FOLLOW YOU, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO!
Outrunning something like that is impossible, jet figfhters are still taken down by missiles that are slower then they can fly, believe me the Citadel Fleet won't eb able to outrun Plasma Torpedos.
Dodging 20kg of metal that flies in a straight line is not the same as dodging a ball of Plasma that follows you around, UNSC ships can fire their emergency trusthers.
And if UNSC ships are under cover of SMACs then you are the one that is screwed.
I think you overestimate the speed of UNSC slipspace. Remember, UNSC spacy only occupied a small sector of the entire galaxy. IIRC, the number was a few lightyears/day. An civilian ME ship can travel 12 lightyears/day.
The cruising speed of UNSC ships is 3LY/D, but smaller ships are faster, I think UNSC were able to reach 10LY/D, maybe more if Slipspace co-operates.
I would like to see where you saw that, I don't remember seeing anything about speed of civilians ships...
It's all over ME how ME fields reduce or increase the mass of ships, how they can therfore accelerate or deaccelerate ludicrously fast.
That does not mean their ship can pull off barrel rolls...
VI's essentialy perform the same task as AI's, AIs are still limited by UNSC ships.
VI's are inferior to UNSC dumb AIs, AIs do those tasks much faster, plus they can save your ass since they actually think...
As I said, when emerging from slipspace, you do so many hundred thousands of kilometres off course, and releasing vast amounts of cherenkov radiation. ME ships would easily intercept potential nukes that would be sent through.
We already explained this part so I won't bother to answer, plus if UNSC launched a NOVA as a suprise attack then the Council which has no idea about Slipsapce won't recognize at first its a super nuke...
Doesn't UNSC essentialy only use MACs, Archers, Nukes and point defence guns?
Of which they are many varaints availible...
A megaton nuke is hardly that impressive. We've had megaton nukes IRL for decades, ME forces also have nukes.
I think you missed the point, its not about how impressive they are, its about that Me ships get pwned by double digit kilotons. No they don't, the Council banned them. They are not in their weapon arsenal that measn they can't use it in thsi battle.
SMACsThey seem to be the only real threat, even capable of hitting ME vessels. But ME forces could easily send a few fighters/drones/boarderships to take them out before attacking with their capital ships, remember the boarding crafts in Halo 2? They had no problem docking with the SMACs and taking them out.
You forgot one thing, those MAC's will be protected by UNSC Defense fleets with Longswords which are perfect for destroying boarding craft plus UNSC ships which are protected by the fact that Dreadoughts to come in effectieve range will have to come into SMAC range first and Earth has 300 of them, the citadel fleet has only 80 Dreadnoughts...
Oh and we don't even know what kind of boarding craft the Council even has, hell we don't even know if they have any.
They should, but I didn't saw anything about them. If you have proof they have boarding craft I would gladly see it.
Not really. Alot of people in this thread said "lol, UNSC would activate halo rings and go into the shield worlds, we win LOL /THREAD", but they seem to forget that every person who knew about the shield world is now trapped in it, and without a keyship it's impossible to open a portal to the Ark.
Do you really fail to see that if Covies are brought in everything in ME will be dying? And if the ancient races can join too everyone will be dead in couple of hours?
I disagree.
Of course you do, since you don't want to face the facts that your favorite universe is not so powerful as you make them to be and that it will lose, it's undersatndable.
Perhaps, but anyone here would be lieing if they said they were completely unbiased. A lot of people here arguing for UNSC even seem display joy and satisfaction after supposidely winning an argument for the UNSC.
Well seeing as UNSC is usually put against impossible odds here can you really blame them? Wouldn't you be happy if you won in an argument?
[Edited on 12.04.2010 4:08 PM PST]