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i like this idea, alot.
the concept of the good being rewarded, and the bad being held back, seems like an idea with much though, and common sense.
someone plse keep me informed as to if this actually works out plse.

  • 10.21.2005 11:31 PM PDT
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I'd rather not see it, for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, the clear elitism. I'm put straight off any forum which puts members above others in such a way, as I would have been had Bnet a non-public forum when I joined.

And secondly, I honestly don't think it would work. There have been numerous groups in the past attempting to bring together Bungie.net's "best of the best". While they succeeded in grabbing the members they wanted to, the so-called "super-intelligent activity" never happened.

What would people talk about in this forum? As good as some members' contributions are, they're mostly in the Septagon, which is the least troubled forum, and I don't see many new threads, or indeed replies, in anywhere save here and the Underground. I can't see it being a good thing, members would get bored, and the forum would be flooded with "Where's the activity gone?"

I think the quote "You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" sums this up aptly.

  • 10.22.2005 1:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: Psyched
I'd rather not see it, for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, the clear elitism. I'm put straight off any forum which puts members above others in such a way, as I would have been had Bnet a non-public forum when I joined.

And secondly, I honestly don't think it would work. There have been numerous groups in the past attempting to bring together Bungie.net's "best of the best". While they succeeded in grabbing the members they wanted to, the so-called "super-intelligent activity" never happened.

What would people talk about in this forum? As good as some members' contributions are, they're mostly in the Septagon, which is the least troubled forum, and I don't see many new threads, or indeed replies, in anywhere save here and the Underground. I can't see it being a good thing, members would get bored, and the forum would be flooded with "Where's the activity gone?"

I think the quote "You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make it drink" sums this up aptly.


Psyched- I'm well aware that this would be elitist, and in my opinion that is why it would it would work. Of course, bragging to the people in the full access forums wouldn't be a good idea, but if people had an incentive to be good, not just a punishment for being bad, I think it would work. I can see where you are coming from on all your points, however. The second one I see as the biggest problem. I'm not quite sure what the forum would be about, or even if I would want to go there. It would need to have something the other forums don't. I was thinking that mabye the Staff could add some extra news now and then, but I'm sure people would just send the news through PMs to their friends, and soon it would be posted in the normal forums.

And EAGLES5- That last part didn't seem much like a joke to me, but I can see how it could be meant as one.

[Edited on 10/22/2005]

  • 10.22.2005 6:49 AM PDT

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Well i know the type of people u would want in the forum, thats why i said super cool.

Anyways

The idea reminds me of when the 2 year or longer members wanted there own forum.
On bungie the members are equal, even the mods.

  • 10.22.2005 7:10 AM PDT
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Almost every forum I've ever created has one of those. If you're not a member of it then you don't see it, and only people who moderate or help the moderators out or have been around for a LONG TIME and contributed much are allowed into those private forums.

There are three rules in the private forums and since most of the people in them are friends they're kept pretty well:

1) never mention the private forum on the public forum
2) What's posted in the private forum STAYS in the private forum
3) Breaking the rules gets you automatically booted from the private forum.

Course those forums didn't have as many users as this one does so it's probably a different ball game altogether.

  • 10.22.2005 7:22 AM PDT
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Posted by: EAGLES5
Well i know the type of people u would want in the forum, thats why i said super cool.

Anyways

The idea reminds me of when the 2 year or longer members wanted there own forum.
On bungie the members are equal, even the mods.


No, everyone is not equal. We are all humans, but the mods have more power. They are superior to us. So is the staff of Bungie. If I contribute, why should my contributions not be recognized? Is it really so bad to want something in return?
And don't say you know the type of people I would want in that forum, because you don't. And it wouldn't matter who I wanted there, it wouldn't be my choice.

[Edited on 10/22/2005]

  • 10.22.2005 7:30 AM PDT
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having more access and more authority does not mean "superior". It simply means more trusted, better able to handle responsibility, and/or skilled with authority.

Authority is a tool like anyother skill. Some are great with it. Others suck. When those who suck have it people suffer. Kinda like the old forum I used to moderate. When the new admins took over it kinda took a dive. Now hardly anyone's there.

  • 10.22.2005 7:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pimp at Sea
Well then the mods get a few extra PMs. It's not like they weren't prepared for that when they became mods.

Easy for you to say.


i would like more PMs, i feel lonely :(

also, if it were able to be inacted, with a fair way to choose who is in or not, it would be great, no more "i am a mod, you all suck" or spam. Also, it could be like the Karma thing, if you are good enough, in you go, if you are bad, you get a lump of smoal for christmas

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  • 10.22.2005 9:49 AM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

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Posted by: EAGLES5
Well i know the type of people u would want in the forum, thats why i said super cool.

Anyways

The idea reminds me of when the 2 year or longer members wanted there own forum.
On bungie the members are equal, even the mods.


No, everyone is not equal. We are all humans, but the mods have more power. They are superior to us. So is the staff of Bungie. If I contribute, why should my contributions not be recognized? Is it really so bad to want something in return?
And don't say you know the type of people I would want in that forum, because you don't. And it wouldn't matter who I wanted there, it wouldn't be my choice.


We are all people, all members. You have no power over me and i none over you. The mods cant use there powers whenever they want, they have to have a good reason. The bungie staff are averge joes like you and me. Looking to post and read what is on this forum.

You are looking for Mature, intelligent, friendly, and oustanding members right?

  • 10.22.2005 12:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: EAGLES5
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Posted by: EAGLES5
Well i know the type of people u would want in the forum, thats why i said super cool.

Anyways

The idea reminds me of when the 2 year or longer members wanted there own forum.
On bungie the members are equal, even the mods.


No, everyone is not equal. We are all humans, but the mods have more power. They are superior to us. So is the staff of Bungie. If I contribute, why should my contributions not be recognized? Is it really so bad to want something in return?
And don't say you know the type of people I would want in that forum, because you don't. And it wouldn't matter who I wanted there, it wouldn't be my choice.


We are all people, all members. You have no power over me and i none over you. The mods cant use there powers whenever they want, they have to have a good reason. The bungie staff are averge joes like you and me. Looking to post and read what is on this forum.

You are looking for Mature, intelligent, friendly, and oustanding members right?


I don't mean equal in the sense that in the real world I am better then anyone else. I meant hat on this forum there are people superior to me and people inferior to me. People who are blacklisted or banned are inferior. Mods and Staff are superior.

  • 10.22.2005 12:18 PM PDT

http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/atticus/Group/GroupHome.aspx

Ok, the forum in a way would be an expanse of the Septagon.

currently, we can only talk about 7th column related issues here, well we have kinda expanded it to b.net issues, but we still cannot talk about other improvement ideas that arent about the site. This forum could be a general discussion one, we woulnt have to worry about complainers on live, or cheaters, or halo 3 ideas, but there could be stuff like how to make something better. Things normally you have to post in zanzibar whih are burried and never seen.

Also, considering it is essentially the "best" members, then bungie could ask those members in that forum for advice, wht they all thnk of a new idea, get better feedback.

Im sure if achronos said yes, then we could all figure out how to do it best, but right now we are on the subject of if. Once past that we can talk about what and how, but we cant get past if until what and how, so I guess we need a yes or no from upstairs.

  • 10.22.2005 3:59 PM PDT

I have problems with these kind of things because you get into a single, primary problem. You must determine who is "good enough" and who is not, people generally do not like this. Say Billy gets to join the Great Non-Public Forum of Greatness and his friend Joe thinks he did just as much to be apart of the festivities as Billy. So, he complains. Now, normally this problem can be dealt with in minor forums where you do not have mass amounts of members. However, if I have seen one thing that is a constant on these forums is that people like to complain about things. Now, it's not really that there are a lot of gripers per say, the percentage compared to other sites is probably about the same. The difference between B.net and that other site is we have far more users, and thus a larger number of -blam!-ers. This gives the appearance that everyone on God's green Earth is complaining on the forums almost nonstop.

What I see a Non-Pubic forum becoming is merely another outlet for people to complain about Bungie and this site. It's a good idea in theory I just don't think it's suited to a site of this magnitude. Maybe one day it will be implimneted and turn out fine. Maybe it wont. We'll just have to stick around and find out.

  • 10.22.2005 6:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Nakki Kedem
but it would have to be a group made by a bungie dude in order to advertise it on the forum..

What about dudettes! Bungie has alot of those, and half of them have bungie accounts....uhh.....like the "Bungie Princess". And, well, thats it.


Oh, Oh, Oh, i forgot, "Frankie", thats two!

  • 10.22.2005 6:34 PM PDT
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:P

And Banshee- you have a good point. I don't have any solution to it, either. But if the forum were created, it could also be a place for Bungie to beta test any new forum modifications. Like Recon's meta-sticky idea could have been tested there.

  • 10.22.2005 6:46 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

But if things where tested there only a small % of bungies members could give there feedback to it.
Recon tested his idea in the flood so everyone could give there 2 cents. I dont want the fiew deciding what they think is good for the many. Just doesnt seem fair.

  • 10.22.2005 7:15 PM PDT
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Good point, but it wouldn't be a very small percent. I would guess about one fifth of the active population of Bungie.net would be in this group. Mabye less. But that is still fat from a small percent. And, of course, this would only be for early testing. There would still be feedback once it was put in all the forums.

  • 10.22.2005 7:20 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Thats what your saying, just our ideas. It would be up to achronos to make the fourum and up to him to implement all the things that people are thinking of.

  • 10.22.2005 7:23 PM PDT
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I agree with Eagle, it is better to test in main forums because everyone can then voice their opinion about it. Remember, a small percentage does not equal everyone's opinions.

  • 10.22.2005 7:24 PM PDT
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Alright, I'll submit. It could be a good place to test things for bugs though. Like the search feature, to make sure it runs smoothly.

  • 10.22.2005 7:36 PM PDT
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I don't even see why you guys should have your own private forum. You can talk about what you want here, and it isn't like others are doing any harm to you.

  • 10.22.2005 8:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Snowman1000
I don't even see why you guys should have your own private forum. You can talk about what you want here, and it isn't like others are doing any harm to you.

You are right, I don't really see the point in it other than the title "member of the forum".

The public forum would turn out to a trash can with alot of spam and flaming. If it didn't the public forum would be like the non-public forum, without spam and flaming, but then the reason to have the non-public forum would be gone and then it would be the same as having one big forum. I don't think Bungie.net is so bad that a non-public forum is necessary.

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  • 10.23.2005 5:27 AM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

it seems more like a way of special treatment. No saying that is the point, but normal members will feel that way.

  • 10.23.2005 5:54 AM PDT
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It is a special treatment. It's a way of not only punishing the bad, but also rewarding the good. And to everyone who says "I don't think that you guys should habe your own special forum because...", I don't see any reason that it would only be the people saying "Yes". After all, aren't you helping out by pointing out how it went wrong?

  • 10.23.2005 6:16 AM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Well they say you guys, because people who agree with the idea clearly expect to be immediatly invited into this forum.

Even the best members of bungie have been bad at one point. Not to name any names, but im willing to bet that a majority of people here have either had there posts edited by the mods, a thread moved or locked, or even a week blacklist. I dont see what seperates us. Shure there are the spammers and flammers. But under the right conditions anyone could be drawn into it.

  • 10.23.2005 6:19 AM PDT
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I agree. I think that every member has been bad at one point. I have been blacklisted, has threads locked and posts edited. But for two years here I think I have a pretty good track record. I think I've had two thread locked, been blacklisted once, and only had one post edited as far as I can recall. But it's not just about whether you have been bad or not that determines if you would be accepted- it's also if you have been doing good. Reporting spam to the mods, helping out newer members, that sort of thing. But my point is that it wouldn't just be the older members accepted. Kilroy comes to mind. He has been a member for almost three months now, I believe, but he would definantly be in. So would you, in my opinion. You may not agree with all the ideas, but you ciritsize in a constructive manner. So it wouldn't just be the people from two years ago. Join date shouldn't matter. I should be how you contribute.

  • 10.23.2005 6:30 AM PDT

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