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Subject: Halo fans participate in Halo 3 through XBL tournaments: Good Stuff!

Here's my take on Bungie's possible plans for Halo 2 XBL.

I'm certain Microsoft wouldn't let the storyline of it's flagship game be determined by someone other than themselves/Bungie. What I'm thinking is, certain territories or events within the storyline of the next installment of Halo (HALO 3) could be determined by the Halo online community through xbox live. Let me elaborate, if this holds your interest. If in fact Halo 2 has the option to play as the Covenant (Elites) in MP, which has been confirmed by several sources(GI & OXM), then it would be likely that a Covenant clan system would exist. These Covenant clans would eventually lead to an online community dedicated solely to the Covenant... the Covenant in MP that is. Just like any clan system, there would be alliances and enemies made between the different clans and so on... it's really a whole other subject that could be discussed on its own. The Covenant online community could hold tournaments through xbox live to decide who is the best of the best within their community, and vise vera would happen with the Human/Spartan clans. After each side has picked their best warriors, so to speak, the two sides would then go to battle on a downloadable level/map, each side being represented by their best players... Elites vs. Spartans. This whole situation would be set up by Bungie, of course, so technically they would still have controll of the storyline. It would be like the Ninja Gaiden Ninja tournament, except, and this is the whole point of this discussion, the outcome of the battle/event would determine part of the Halo (HALO 3) storyline. For example, if the battle takes place in Covenant controlled space and the humans win, then the humans will be in controll of that area in the Halo 3 storyline, and so on. I don't know if I'm getting across what I'm thinking, but I think that would be off the meat rack. Would you guys like this? Do ya'll have any thoughts as to what Bungie is planning for online?

(Updated)

I probably didn't do a good job at let you guys invision what I have in mind, which has alot to do with the points some of ya'll (Mister Ninja) are making. I'm going to assume that there are two realistic endings to Halo 2.

1st -The humans figure out a way to get the Covenant to leave Earth, through a weapon or what ever means, and all the remaining human forces go after the Covenant Homeworld.

or

2nd - The Covenant continue to wipe out humaninty, including earth, and the Master Chief goes on some sort of suicide mission to the Covenant homeworld.

I think that the 2nd conclusion is most likely to happen considering the way Bungie usually tells stories...You are humanities last hope etc. The way this ending to Halo 2 fits into what I'm talking about is, all these mini battles, skirmishes, or what ever you want to call them would take place on a planet, base, spaceship, on the way to the Covenant homeworld/s. These skirmishes would also take place on the first level of Halo 3... keep reading, I'll explain. The outcome of these events on xbox live would dictate certain things within the first level of Halo 3. For instance, lets say that the first level, as well as these skirmishes I keep talking about, are on a Covenant controlled planet. You, the Master Chief, are flown by pelican to your drop point, just like every Halo mission. While flying to the drop piont, you would pass over the territories that were taken over by the humans in Halo 2 on xbox live. As soon as you are dropped off, you walk up to the Human command post. You meet a captian with a name tag that says, for all intsive purposes, Captian B. Miller... this is my name:) He or I, depending on how you look at it, gives you a layout of the situation. On his/my sleve would be his/my clan moto, custom clan pic., and my xbox live account name. How would I, just a fan, get to be so exclusively included in the script of the game? Well, I wouldn't be exclusive. All the people who were finalist in the Halo 2 the tournaments, and got to be apart of the skirmishes/battels/events that I talk about in the begining of this topic would be all through out the first level. It wouldn't really be that many people if Bungie made it special event that was only held every 5-6... 50-75 characters... the next generation xbox should be able to handle way more in game characters than this. We, the fans who got to be included in the game, wouldn't be writting the script. We would just get are names and such put on the characters in the script. So, I could be in the middle of battle in this first level of Halo 3, and look beside me and see a tag that has your XBL tag, Mister Ninja, and you would have your clan name and such written on a patch on your arm. While in battle I might pass a dead Elite's body, you know how all through out Halo you pass up dead bodies, and the Elite might have Tiny written on a patch with his Covenant clan name and so on. If you were good enough at Halo 2 MP, and you got to be in multiple of these skirmishes/battles/events that Bungie would be holding on xbox live, then you might get your name put on an important character in the storyline. Now do you guys understand what I'm talking about. We wouldn't really be changing the storyline of Halo 3. We would be given a chance, an illusion at that, to be included in the storyline/game. I probably should have put a different subject title... maybe that has something to do with me not getting my point across???



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  • 05.05.2004 12:32 PM PDT
Subject: We decide Halo 3 storyline through xbox live tournaments!
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*cough*Steel Battalion:LoC*cough*

  • 05.05.2004 1:05 PM PDT

I didn't have a spare $200 lying around. Is this a feature in that game?

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  • 05.05.2004 1:07 PM PDT
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what about steel battalion
what a wierd ass idea

  • 05.05.2004 1:10 PM PDT

Steal Battalion, or this subject is a weird idea?

[Edited on 5/5/2004 1:50:29 PM]

  • 05.05.2004 1:47 PM PDT
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I think it'd be an awesome idea, but Bungie probably won't bite.

  • 05.05.2004 2:03 PM PDT

Yea, I also doubt that Bungie, or any other game studio, would give such control to the fans. Still, we can hope;)

[Edited on 5/5/2004 3:16:42 PM]

  • 05.05.2004 3:16 PM PDT
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I think it is a very good idea, the only thing is, how much would this alter the plans Bungie had for Halo?

  • 05.05.2004 3:20 PM PDT

I also had that same thought while writting this thread. One way they could compensate for this feature is, the downloadable content/battle would have to be something in the Halo 3 storyline that could go either way. For instance, say the Humans did win some territory from the Covenant through the 1st xbox live tournament. I'm sure that their would still be waves of attacks by the Covenant on that same territory; meaning, more tournaments between the two sides to decide who will ultimately have controll of certain territories in Halo 3. Let me expand, in the first tournament the Humans take over territory from the Covenant. In the 2nd tournament, a battle would take place further in Covenant territory, and that could only take place because the Humans won the first tournament. Say the Covenant win the 2nd tournament. The next ( 3rd ) tournament would be the Covenant trying to win back the origianl territory taken from them in the 1st tournament. The Humans would be in a deffensive position this time, and the Covenant would be an offensive position. This way the storyline of Halo 2 would never really end untill the the day Halo 3 comes out. Do you get what I'm sayin?

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  • 05.05.2004 3:28 PM PDT
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To many people play single player for this to be cost effective in the next few years to come. Perhaps in the next ten years something like this will be prominent.

  • 05.05.2004 4:21 PM PDT
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I agree with the poster above. It should be fair that every Halo has the chance to play. There are poor -blam!-s out there with no Broadband/DSL. If they could get everyone on one network and it works that way that would be good if not than the idea wouldn't work.

  • 05.05.2004 4:26 PM PDT

"The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." Albert Einstein
"You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty." Gandhi

Hasn't Bungie mentioned somewhere that the LIVE part of the game WOULD in fact affect the storyline? I thought I read that somewhere. Oh well.

  • 05.05.2004 4:29 PM PDT

I'm not talking about some huge war between all the Human and Covenant clans. We would have to wait another console generation or two for that. It would be no different than the LAN tournaments we have now with Halo on xbox, except the winners of these tournaments in Halo 2 would have a chance to affect the storyline of Halo 3. This is a cost effective way, if you ask me, to have a surge in the Halo fan community. There are going to be tournaments on xbox live anyway, why not make them more involving for the Halo community by giving us more input for the next installment of Halo (Halo 3)?

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  • 05.05.2004 5:29 PM PDT
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I think this is a bad idea for a lot of reasons.

1.halo fans who bought the game late, stopped playing for a while, or dont have internet connections would all be completely excluded from the halo 2 storyline. and im sure that 90% of the people would have taken a break sometime in the 5 year period between halo2 and 3.

2. the story likey would lead anywhere. can you imagin how -blam!- it would be if the entire halo story line was "the humans are winning, the humans win again, covenant win, covenant win again, humans win, covenant take back the same teritory the did last month" personally i dont the that the tension would be building very much.

3. do you know how boring 5-6 years strait of 8 on 8 deathmatch would be? following your ideas would completely ruin bungie.

I think your idea is good and that you portray it well. But to say that their are gaping holes in your idea would be a major understatement.

The above sentence just sounds like im trying to diss you, which i am not, so...
Anyways your idea is good i think your a smart person for coming up with a relativley origonal idea like that and i think your idea is good but i disagree with it.

so yea...


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  • 05.05.2004 5:44 PM PDT

Thanks for making your points so kindly:) But... whether this type of feature is included in Bungie's plans or not, eventually MP on Halo 2 will become, as hard as it is to imagine, more and more boring while we wait for Halo 3. And, by no means did I mean to convey that all the tournaments would take place over the same small piece of territory, with the same game type. I guess what I'm trying to say is, the way games are made now (even Bungie games) is, after you beat the game a few times and have played MP a few million times the game begins to more or less die. This death of the game, I'm not saying that Halo is dead, leads to the situation we Halo fans have been in for the last year or two... desperation for the smallest bit of info on the next installment of the game(Halo 2). If Bungie included a feature, such as the one I'm talking about, the true fans of the game, not the people who just buy it for the MP, would have a living breathing game to continue involving themselves in. At the same time, those who would be involved in this process, the fans, would be getting content on the next installment of the game(Halo 3) by making that content themselves. I do understand that there will be many left out of the process, but they are going to be left out of whatever "revolutionary" online plans Bungie has anyway. This feature would give the millions of other Halo fans that do have xbox live the ability to keep the game "alive" while waiting for Halo 3.;)

P.S.
I hope I'm not comming off like some crazy kid who hates everyone elses ideas. I just really become passionate about discussion, such as this one, that have to do with more than the run of the mill crap you find in most forums.

[Edited on 5/5/2004 6:17:20 PM]

  • 05.05.2004 6:10 PM PDT

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Mister Ninja is absolutely correct. The idea sounds great on paper but for something like this to really work the way intended would be extremely difficulty. Like Mister Ninja said, 8 vs 8 deathmatches don't fit well as your type of battles. It would be hard to say who is winning, especially since there will be many servers running 24/7. I think that idea is cool, but I know it wouldn't work well.

  • 05.05.2004 6:12 PM PDT

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No you don't sound like a crazy kid, I could classify myself there sometimes though :). Anyways I think that your idea just wouldn't fit well at this point in time. In the future when most people will have broadband, this idea would more easily become a possibility.

  • 05.05.2004 6:16 PM PDT

It would be hard to say who is winning, especially since there will be many servers running 24/7.

I'm not talking about a 24/7 battle on many servers. I'm talking about an event to look forward to every few months. The event would be a stategized one, not just some 10 min. deathmatch. Every few months, or when ever the event would be held, there would be new tournaments within the Covenant/Human clans system to pick new players... incase someone in the last tournament didn't have the game or something. This would be quite possible on the current generation of xbox hardware and xbox live, especially with the new features of xbox live. Do ya'll ( you guys ) get what I'm saying?

[Edited on 5/5/2004 9:30:12 PM]

  • 05.05.2004 6:25 PM PDT

I may have made it sound like some huge war or something would be taken place on xbox live. What I intended to say was that these events would more or less be small skirmishes, which over time would add to being involved in the Halo 3 storyline. It would be crazy to include every single battle in the storyline. These skirmishes would be more like a real war. Small skirmishes add up over time to a side gainning pieces of territory, which eventually lead to a side winning battles, etc. untill one side wins a war. I am by no means suggesting that over xbox live the war be decided. I am saying that these small skirmishes could determine how many enemy/Covenant forces are in a certain area/areas of Halo 3. This way we the fans would feel we have some controll over Halo 3, but not enough that Bungie would be giving away the whole storyline.

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  • 05.05.2004 6:41 PM PDT

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  • 05.05.2004 8:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Big Cheif
There are poor -blam!-s out there with no Broadband/DSL..


How does not having broadband make you homo-blam!-? And I hope you don't mean "poor" in the financial sense. Many people do not have broadband because it is not available in their area yet because of lame cable/phone companies and/or because they live in a more rural area. (Although Satellite connections are available, they are unreasonably expensive, and are generally unsuitable for gaming because of high latencies.)

  • 05.05.2004 8:35 PM PDT
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i think that would be a really cool thing to participate in. although it would cost bungie alot of dough running it. so we might end up paying 12.95 a month (cough) final fantasy (cough) so i probably would stick to the free stuff

  • 05.05.2004 8:43 PM PDT
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I guess I'll add another crazy idea, if you don't mind. I still like the idea of a massive, breathing world... No, more like Galaxy, or Universe! Where there's a beautiful blend of AI and human controlled players. The story is somewhat open ended.. Hell, it would have to be. And the story could be experienced online through Xbox Live, and told offline: through bungie.net, seventhcolumn, hbo, message boards, internet, school, work, life!

*That last sentence was somewhat contradicting, but you get the idea*

But we need story! Well, that's bungie's job, not mine, sorry. : )*

And I know it would be hard to keep others entertained without story, goals, objectives, reason, and so on.. I doubt bungie has the resources to give every team/unit/player in this world and objective, goal, mission on a daily basis. That would be impossible.. But findind a way to make it happen is key. So I would just send everyone on egg hunts, or wild goose chases every now and then to keep things interesting: while still staying true to the Halo Bible.

Have units download objectives that you could see in any Halo novel. ex: Search specific location for intel and artifact. No one says you have to find said intel and artifact right away.. This could be a weekly ~ bi-weekly process. Or how about: Search for Covenant leader (prophet), and take him capture for intel and moral reasons. This would also be an objective that could last a day, or a month.. Depending on how kickass the human controlled Covenant players are. They would, on the flip side, have a high priority to protect said prophet, who could be either playable, or AI.

Each mission, goals, and objectives would have both sides meeting, and engageing in these huge, immersive, and epic battles, that would keep you entertained during your egg hunts.

And every battle, every egg hunt, every successful mission has it's own unique story. That is told by us!



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  • 05.05.2004 8:57 PM PDT
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I don't think it would cost Bungie anything more than not having the feature. If Bungie wants to compete with games such as Rainbow 6, they will most likely have downloadable content/maps comming out every few months. Before everyone downloads these new maps, Bungie could announce that they are going to hold one of these events/battles that I'm talking about. After the battle is over, the map could then be available to the rest of the public through download. Again, these events wouldn't need some server capable of taking on large amounts of people. The event would have the normal 16-24, or how ever many people they decide on allowing in MP, in it. So, Bungie could host the event on a normal server (Xbox) and record what happens through the stats system they are setting up.

  • 05.05.2004 8:58 PM PDT
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Ihad to do some homework (not the research halo kind, but the kind that gets you a job in the future) but now im back and i still didn't do it. Anyways.

your idea is definetly better than it was before. But their is still one giant, gaping hole in it, that stops me from agreeing with your idea. The idea of the outcome of a bunch of skrimishes determining part of the storyline. If the years of skrimishs only had such a small effect as to choose the color on the bottom of the master chief's boot, I would still never agree with it.

first of all, even if "the war" didn't majorly effect the story line. like it is either the covenant conquered mexico (oh no!) or the spartans conquered mexico , it would be pointless to even mention it in the storyline. like lets say just for example (even though we know its going to happen in halo to) that the chief is going to kill the covenant on their home planet, i dont think mexico is important enough for cortana to be all like "oh mister chief we gotta save mexico remember!?" its just would flow with the story to be mentioning unimportant events like that.

But if the outcome of "The War" had a larger effect, such as decideing wether the master chief is going to have to retake mexico or go attack the covenant somewhere eles i dont think it would make for a very complex story line. knowing 5 years in advance that halo3 is going to either be about retakeing mexico or attacking the covenant somewhere eles wouldn't really make for a very suprising story line with lost of interesting twists and turns like i am sure that halo2 will have.

I do like your idea though now, but i dont think it should effect the future storyline at all. maybe it could be like a mini story for whoever wins "the war" the would be good and fun. But the actions of 1/8 of the community shouldn't effect all of the halo fans. I think your mini war idea is good but it shouldn't be simply divided into to sides of the covenant and the humans because then the people wouldn't really care about wether they try hard in the current battle or not because the single person would be so insignificent. I think it would do a lot better where it is clans conquering territories that way each player feels more important in winning the mini war.

the reason i was putting "the war" in quotes was so that you guys would know i was talking about the war over the internet and not the actual human covenant war.
Also when i was refering to a mini war i meant the same thing as "the war" but on a non effecting storyline type of way and also refering to my proposed clan wars.

I didn't read this over cause its to long and im really lazy and tired so if i have anymistakes or parts that dont make sense feel free to simutaneously correct me and cut me down at the same time.
:) (not being sacarstic)

  • 05.05.2004 8:59 PM PDT

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