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Posted by: dogbert14
and i am done arguing with MasterGrief. he talks out of his ass, and is one of those ppl who do not accept logic if it means proving them wrong.


I agree, and when he goes out in public, its really hard to hear him because his voice is all muffled from his massive butt-cheeks.

Oh, and i'm mildly offended that an eight-year-old who learned how to use swear words doesn't like me...

Of course your ideas sound logical to you. Darwin thought his theory made perfect sense. Then near the end of his life, he took a step back and went, "Holy -blam!-, my entire theory doesn't work!" I don't ever like to use the expression "Fan Boi" but with you, there really isn't any other term that can appropriately express your mindless blabbering.

You sir, i mean young child, are a mindless Halo2 FAN BOI.

See, now i'm done arguing too.

  • 10.30.2005 9:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: MasterGrief
Posted by: dogbert14
and i am done arguing with MasterGrief. he talks out of his ass, and is one of those ppl who do not accept logic if it means proving them wrong.


I agree, and when he goes out in public, its really hard to hear him because his voice is all muffled from his massive butt-cheeks.

Oh, and i'm mildly offended that an eight-year-old who learned how to use swear words doesn't like me...

Of course your ideas sound logical to you. Darwin thought his theory made perfect sense. Then near the end of his life, he took a step back and went, "Holy -blam!-, my entire theory doesn't work!" I don't ever like to use the expression "Fan Boi" but with you, there really isn't any other term that can appropriately express your mindless blabbering.

You sir, i mean young child, are a mindless Halo2 FAN BOI.

See, now i'm done arguing too.


*claps*

  • 10.31.2005 11:03 PM PDT
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Halo 2 bashers clearly dont see the BEAUTIFUL art in Halo 2 the scenery the story the hard slaved work put into this is amazeing,it was the turn of gameing but no it sucks to them.


I know what pisses them off about halo 2.....its the ending BUT its not the ending for grunts sake I CANT WAIT FOR HALO 2.5 (HALO 3)

Bungie need a brake look what they have done for us fans hec they even went througth the trouble of makeing a extention pac for us.these H2 bashers dont give a crap about any 1 haha I would like to see them try to make H2 hahaha

  • 11.01.2005 2:47 AM PDT
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why the heck shud we be bashing halo2? this is bungie home, the religions home u guys! who ever does bash halo2 will get a serious knock off with my fist cos its -blam!-, we shud all love halo on this site (1&2)!

  • 11.01.2005 5:16 AM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Its better to have one massive flame war on the topic of Halo vs Halo 2 then to have it everywhere.

If its contained in one thread i dont see a problem.

Dogbert didnt like wahat was said so he asled for the thread to go byby.

Master Greif disagrees.


Voice of reason wants it all to end.


Well Remake the thread. Just remake it. And Dog instead of getting the thread locked, just report individual flammers.

Sound fair?

  • 11.01.2005 12:41 PM PDT

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Use the GT Above me not Duke of Gamers!!!!!!!

abd we must all remember what brought about 70% of the bungie.net community to bungie.net was halo2 its only naturel for people to bash about halo 2. i came for halo 2 disscusions but i still love halo 1 and respect it.

  • 11.01.2005 1:57 PM PDT
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well, in all instances, halo1 is superior. halo2 has live. we like replayability, skill, balance, and good graphics. vehicles are great, but they are good enough in halo2.

  • 11.01.2005 5:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: alienwerkshopp
why do i have to brag about what game i like?

bcus den all 0f teh fanbois will clik on ur thread and dere will be @ huge flame w@r and u can post it up on teh halo2suckahs websight and we w1ll all whine and complane until bungie wealises that the minority of ppl always get there way.

Wow the forums suck today, its all halo3 stuff and halo:ce on xbl :( better check the group forums...


Hehe. Very nice. Fanboy font, lol.

Fanboy translator

  • 11.01.2005 6:43 PM PDT
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Halo:ce is a good game (better than everything else but still not better than halo2, I just find the people that play it retarded... no I don't mean everyone, I just mean the attention whores and flamers) and I come to the library hoping to see some good threads about storylines, mission help or anything that doesn't result in massive flame wars but usually I'm disappointed and wind up in the group forums...

[Edited on 11/1/2005]

  • 11.01.2005 9:51 PM PDT
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5 years after its release?... yeah, and you wonder why halo1 lovers think halo2 lovers are freaking idiots...

  • 11.01.2005 9:58 PM PDT
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They should just make a Halo 2 trash talk forum. That way there wouldn't be people crying when someone insults their favorite FPS. A lot of people you see trashing Halo 2 were people who were great on XBC Halo and are pissed because XBL Halo 2 is so different. They liked the skill, not the weapon whoring and insane strategies.

  • 11.02.2005 12:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
"FAN BOI"?
get a life, or end ur own.
seriously, a lot of my opinions are based on FACTS. its nobodys fault but ur own if u cant accept logic or shorthand.
oh, and here


God SHUT UP. NO ONE CARES.

Why don't you make a post in the Flood seeing who actually cares about what you have to say. No one will vote, because no one cares.

Oh, and I thought you were done arguing. I'm sorry i don't like shorthand, i passed 1st grade English classes, and its semi-annoying to read a little 6-year-old spew random things at me.

Oh, and i could report you for an offensive link, but i gave up taddling at age 4.

Seriously though, the human mind draws comparisons between things everytime someone says something. Its natural to want to discuss two alike things such as Halo and Halo2. However, the way people actually express their opinions varies, making it common to see people bashing games. Also, why do people take it personally when we draw comparisons between Halo and Halo2? We're just talking. (Sticks and stones)

  • 11.02.2005 2:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
Posted by: halo1isbetter
omfg u have got to be kidding me the only ppl that clame this is "Halo 2 Bashing" are the ones that are afraid to admit that they suck at halo 1 cause it actually takes skill and there isn't a huge auto-aim

well, we have a new ass in town here.


Who's flaming now?

  • 11.02.2005 2:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
and i am done arguing with MasterGrief. he talks out of his ass, and is one of those ppl who do not accept logic if it means proving them wrong.


This is the guy that is supposedly against flaming? bad representation

  • 11.02.2005 2:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: SPARTAN 117 Hero
Halo 2 bashers clearly dont see the BEAUTIFUL art in Halo 2 the scenery the story the hard slaved work put into this is amazeing,it was the turn of gameing but no it sucks to them.


I know what pisses them off about halo 2.....its the ending BUT its not the ending for grunts sake I CANT WAIT FOR HALO 2.5 (HALO 3)

Bungie need a brake look what they have done for us fans hec they even went througth the trouble of makeing a extention pac for us.these H2 bashers dont give a crap about any 1 haha I would like to see them try to make H2 hahaha


1. Its a killing game, not an art show. We'll admire the beautiful graphics in posters and campaining, not when were trying to kill people.
2. You understand nothing about why we are pissed off about Halo 2, your just closed minded, try reading the threads buddy. I am a diehard Halo 1 fanatic, but I can still understand that SOME aspects about Halo 2 are better than Halo 1. Try to know what were talking about before publically humiliating yourself with your own ignorance
3. I would like to see you make H2 "ha ha ha"

  • 11.02.2005 2:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: halo1isbetter
omfg u have got to be kidding me the only ppl that clame this is "Halo 2 Bashing" are the ones that are afraid to admit that they suck at halo 1 cause it actually takes skill and there isn't a huge auto-aim


There isn't "huge" auto-aim in Halo 2 either; everyone makes it seem like a bigger problem than it seems. You shoot a little above the head with a BR and the shot lands.

Now grab a Halo 1 pistol. Stand halfway across the map. Shoot someone unscoped in the chest. TSK right there. Believe me, I've tried it. Is that auto-aim? Yes.

The auto-aim in Halo 2 is not a massive problem. The same amount is in Halo 1, but you just like to ignore it and say that Halo 2 fans have no skill. Maybe you are the one with no skill at Halo 2. Why else would you complain about it so much, huh?

Try this experiment. Play legendary on Halo 1. Now do it on Halo 2. Which is harder? Halo 2's, because you can't pull off the old "one person risks life while other stays back." Instead, it's "one of us dies, we both die." Does it require more skill, then, to play legendary? Yes.

You say Halo 2 requires no skill because you don't want it to require skill. Maybe you don't like it. So what? But does that mean that everyone who DOES like it is a skill-less noob? No. It means that YOU are obviously the one in need of gaming skills. It means that YOU are the one that doesn't know how to use an SMG effectively. It means that you only get owned by auto-aim so bad because you probably run in a straight line all the time like a skill-less two-dimensional figure who was so attached to his Halo 1 pistol that adaptation was completely out of the question. Without your three-shot pistol, you can't win.

So what do you do: well, since you were so used to just standing still in halo 1 and earning your TSK's like crazy, that you try the trick with the BR. It doesn't work. "Oh no, I can't kill as fast with the BR! Let's go look for mistakes that AREN'T even mistakes to begin with!"

You try running aimlessly with the SMG. Suddenly you get killed with the shotgun. So you find two reasons to dislike the game:
"The shotgun is a noob weapon!"
"The SMG is a peashooter!"
"I stand still all the time, so auto-aim kills me all the time!"

If you actually learned to be on the move, you could easily get the upper-hand in the match, auto-aim or not.

  • 11.02.2005 6:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: DT g0d
They should just make a Halo 2 trash talk forum. That way there wouldn't be people crying when someone insults their favorite FPS. A lot of people you see trashing Halo 2 were people who were great on XBC Halo and are pissed because XBL Halo 2 is so different. They liked the skill, not the weapon whoring and insane strategies.


The halo 1 pistol required not much skill at all. Not much aiming required either. The enemy could even be INSIDE my target reticule and still be killed by a TSK.

Oh, and just because you hate Halo 2 doesn't mean that you were awesome at Halo 1. It just means that you couldn't adapt to the new game; you couldn't get over the fact that you can't get a noobified TSK anymore.

Last time I checked, People rushed for the power weapons in halo1 as well. Heck, my own TEAMMATES killed me for a sniper rifle. They killed me for a banshee. They killed you for any weapon. Besides, the pistol would kill anyone, regardless of what weapon they had. In Halo 2, almost every weapon is used. People use more strategy, not just using up their BR's.

  • 11.02.2005 6:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: kazoo
5 years after its release?... yeah, and you wonder why halo1 lovers think halo2 lovers are freaking idiots...


Did it ever occur to you that people are not assorted specifically into two groups? Did it ever occur to you that all Halo 2 "lovers" are not idiots? You just make huge assumptions. You like to group people into two bland organizations.

Wow, you say all Halo 2 lovers are freaking idiots. Real mature.

There are Halo 2 fans, Halo 1 fans, and overall Halo series fans. Did it ever occur to you that some people--just MAYBE--might like both games?

Maybe Halo 1 lovers think Halo 2 lovers are idiots because they can't accept the fact that people of an opposing opinion could actually be smart. But no, Kazoo...oh no, it doesn't work that way on your highway, now does it? Nah, of course not...to make a point, you say that whoever doesn't agree with you is an idiot. But no, you're always right...you're the smart one. After all, you hate Halo 2, so you must be smart, right? So, if you play Halo2 and end up hating it, you gain a noticeable amount of intelligence, right? Because there is no pistol, and you miss it, it makes you a braniac, then?

No. All wrong. Halo 2 lovers are not idiots. They are the ones that could adapt to a new game without thinking of sloppy and invalid reasons to hate it. You, ole Kazoo, are one that, because he can't think of any good comebacks, thinks everyone else is an idiot. You create a little fantasy world where you are smart and everyone else is stupid. Yeah, keep on living in that world, buddy.

Are all halo 2 lovers smart? No. Are all Halo 2 haters evil? No. Regardless of learning capability, an opinion is an opinion. But don't try to lump people onto two set groups and bash one. The world doesn't work that way.

  • 11.02.2005 6:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: DT g0d
They should just make a Halo 2 trash talk forum. That way there wouldn't be people crying when someone insults their favorite FPS. A lot of people you see trashing Halo 2 were people who were great on XBC Halo and are pissed because XBL Halo 2 is so different. They liked the skill, not the weapon whoring and insane strategies.


The halo 1 pistol required not much skill at all. Not much aiming required either. The enemy could even be INSIDE my target reticule and still be killed by a TSK.

Oh, and just because you hate Halo 2 doesn't mean that you were awesome at Halo 1. It just means that you couldn't adapt to the new game; you couldn't get over the fact that you can't get a noobified TSK anymore.

Last time I checked, People rushed for the power weapons in halo1 as well. Heck, my own TEAMMATES killed me for a sniper rifle. They killed me for a banshee. They killed you for any weapon. Besides, the pistol would kill anyone, regardless of what weapon they had. In Halo 2, almost every weapon is used. People use more strategy, not just using up their BR's.


Don't generalize, and don't go off-topic.

The reason people don't like Halo2, is that its just not fun for them. I am really good at basketball, however i don't really like basketball. It doesn't mean i'm not good enough to play it, i just don't really find it fun.

You also contradicted yourself. You say that everyone in Halo1 rushed for the power weapons, yet you also say that people can't get over the loss of a TSK when they're used to using the pistol every time.

Kind of funny how this thread was meant to end arguing....lol....

  • 11.02.2005 6:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: MasterGrief
Don't generalize, and don't go off-topic.

1--Don't give orders.
2--I'm not generalizing. It started off with the guy saying how much more skill halo1 required. I just gave reasons as to why i didn't agree. It was still on-topic.

The reason people don't like Halo2, is that its just not fun for them. I am really good at basketball, however i don't really like basketball. It doesn't mean i'm not good enough to play it, i just don't really find it fun.
For the most part, yes, it's because it's not fun for them. I agree with you on that. But DT G0d clearly said that Halo 1 lovers require more skill. So I disproved him.

You also contradicted yourself. You say that everyone in Halo1 rushed for the power weapons, yet you also say that people can't get over the loss of a TSK when they're used to using the pistol every time.
That's because I consider the pistol to be a power-weapon. I was just enforcing my point.

  • 11.02.2005 6:47 PM PDT
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Oh, and just because you hate Halo 2 doesn't mean that you were awesome at Halo 1. It just means that you couldn't adapt to the new game; you couldn't get over the fact that you can't get a noobified TSK anymore.

What part of that isn't generalizing?

Why is the pistol such a big deal if you consider it a power weapon? I mean, the sniper was a two shot kill, with two zooms, isn't that more "noobifiied" what about the rocket? Thats at most a two shot kill! If you're throwing the Pistol in the power weapon category, why the hell is it such a big issue? It is the weakest of the power weapons. Go back and play Halo1, the shotgun had massive range, with like a 2 shot kill from 60 feet away.

If you're going to say people don't like a videogame because of the weapons, you're mistaken. People don't like videogames for other reasons, most too complex to explain. Halo2 is missing the "it" factor that many Halo1 fans were looking for.

I think Halo2 is a decent "filler" game, to hold fans over for Halo3, which will hopefully combine the best parts of both games to create a super halo...woohoo!....

Oh, and sorry for giving orders out, sometimes i feel like strapping on my moderator panties...

  • 11.02.2005 7:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: MasterGrief
What part of that isn't generalizing?

You're right, sorry about that.

Why is the pistol such a big deal if you consider it a power weapon? I mean, the sniper was a two shot kill, with two zooms, isn't that more "noobifiied" what about the rocket? Thats at most a two shot kill! If you're throwing the Pistol in the power weapon category, why the hell is it such a big issue? It is the weakest of the power weapons. Go back and play Halo1, the shotgun had massive range, with like a 2 shot kill from 60 feet away.
Yeah, but the pistol only kills in three shots, has a scope, shoots really fast, and has over a hundred rounds! It only takes one more hit than the sniper rifle; with the SR, it took skill to pull off some shots. With the pistol, you could shoot anywhere around the head and obtain a TSK.

  • 11.03.2005 1:35 PM PDT
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Yeah, but the pistol only kills in three shots, has a scope, shoots really fast, and has over a hundred rounds! It only takes one more hit than the sniper rifle; with the SR, it took skill to pull off some shots. With the pistol, you could shoot anywhere around the head and obtain a TSK.


I agree with you, but only to a certain degree.

Halo2 has the most ridiculous auto-aim i've ever seen. I was play Team Snipers last night on Beaver Creek, i walked out of the teleporter with a 5x scope on (looking for headshots) then a blue person barely grazed my reticle for a split second as he jumped in front of me, my gun literally followed him to the point where i was looking at the sky opposed to straight ahead.

You have to realize that nearly every FPS has auto-aim, but Halo2 has such an extreme amount, that just talking about the hitboxes in Halo1 doesn't really offer much of a comparison (Also, when you look at a Spartan's armor, you can see that their neck barely has any armor on it, so if your shield goes out and you get hit with a weapon more powerful than a .50 cal gun, you better die) Last night, i played another game of TS, on Ivory Tower, there was a guy that jumped behind a wall, i shot after he was completely behind cover, probably at about boob level, headshot

  • 11.03.2005 3:33 PM PDT

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