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Subject: Quit it, everyone.
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Posted by: TheVoiceofReason
Posted by: MasterGrief
Posted by: TheVoiceofReason
Quit arguing, you three. I created this thread for a reason, you know.

You should learn the difference between arguing and debating.

Don't give me that BS. You are arguing and flaming.
And MasterGrief, you are sexist, too.


....Yeah, damn me.

Grow a pair.

Oh, and for my sexist comment of the day: "When in the grocery store, -blam!- and burn every woman you see."

  • 11.05.2005 11:53 PM PDT
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Just wondering, has everyone forgot that you had to LEAD your shots in Halo:CE?

  • 11.06.2005 2:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: Bob_Fisher
Just wondering, has everyone forgot that you had to LEAD your shots in Halo:CE?


Yeah, in most peoples arguments, people assume your enemy is standing still. What they don't account for, is that the other person has a gun, is strafing, and wants to kill you. Its not chess.

  • 11.06.2005 10:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
wow....forget my other comment.


Thanks...after this Hypocritical comment I wouldn't want to hear another thing from you
Posted by: dogbert14
and i am done arguing with MasterGrief. he talks out of his ass, and is one of those ppl who do not accept logic if it means proving them wrong.


Anywho enough putting down Dogbert...again...The important thing is that this Thread seems to have turned into the old thread that was so unceremoniously deleted thanks to a little whiner. If my computer wasn't so screwed up (on a public one right now) I'd type my views, but looks like people like Kazoo and Master Grief have typed it perfectly so I thank them.

  • 11.06.2005 4:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: RS JediMaster
Posted by: kazoo
ever heard of the SMG, needler, magnum, plasma pistol, sniper rifle, sword, or rocket launcher?

whoo hoo. they have a BR that is fairly balanced... but not quite.


What about H1, the only balanced weapon I saw there was a pistol with a scope.


the only imbalanced guns in halo1 were the rocket launcher and sniper rifle. im still under the spell that i believe the gun will not be balanced until some recoil is added. everyhting else was perfect.
PP vs PR- fair game. who knows what will win. inless its me with the PP, then ill win.
PP vs AR- same. but if its mne wit hthe PP ill likely win.
PR vs AR- so long as the PR doesnt have the drop... fair
shotgun vs PP- shotgun has a better lead over the PP, but its still close.
shotgun vs PR- fair game.
sniper vs anyhting- pretty much distance based. the further away, the better for the sniper.
rockets vs anything- get a frag'nade on the guy and he cant shoot. fair enough.
pistol vs pistol- aiming vs dodging
pistol vs plasma guns- loses up close
pistol vs human guns- loses up close if hte enemy can dodge, and its easiest to dodge from up close.

anyhting else i can answer?

  • 11.06.2005 5:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: MasterGrief
Is it just me, or did the campaign just feel like an after-thought?


Yup, it also screamed "unfinished" at ever step. Which is too bad, because it's obvious it had so much potential. There were parts of Uprising that I enjoyed so much I forgot I was playing the Abominarbiter.


I mean, yeah, the multiplayer is fairly good, but the campaign is so boring. The exciting moments like taking out the Scarab take too long to actually finish. But in Halo1, the "30 seconds of fun" was almost always instantaneous. For example, you destroy the fusion cores, you see Foe Hammer die, you get in the warthog, dodge aliens and flood, and barely make it to the LongSword. All of which taking like 10-15 minutes.

However, in Halo2 taking out the Scarab was so bland and drawn out it took at least 5-10 minutes on its own. There's no feeling of desperation.


Nope. And you know that the Scarab isn't going anywhere or going to do anything once it reaches the water. It just sits there, allowing you to rain sniper and rocket fire on the Scarab crew with impunity. It completely destroyed suspension of belief for me, there are a LOT of Halo 2 moments like that.

Had that been a Halo 1 fight, you would have had until it cleared the last bridge to board it. THAT would have been awesome. Pity Bungie has made catering to noobs their top priority.


The humans in New Mombasa were all calm and aggressive. There wasn't any trembling human fear, or anything.


Where the hell did the civilian population of New Mombasa conveniently disappear to? It's not like there was time to evacuate an entire city. Suspension of disbelief shattered again.
There are a LOT of Halo 2 moments where you get yanked out of immersion and it becomes very obvious you are playing a game.

The Tarter Sauce Boss Battle was probably the worst one. It was like Boss Battles 101; "hit him while his shield is temporarily down". Why the hell does Tartar Sauce have this magical shield? Where did it come from? Who cares, just platform around until the Special Conditions Where The Boss is Vulnerable occurr.

You know, if they are going to give the monkey a giant hammer, the least they could do was give us exploding barrels to throw at him.

Other than the voice acting work of the Arbiter, there was no epic feel to anything.


Halo3 better be more of an emotional story. Just about the only emotion Halo2 gave me was "WTF THAT IS SO -blam!-" or my personal favorite, "WTF THE GAME IS OVER, WTF THE GAME IS OVER PLAY AS THE ARBITER -blam!- -blam!- -blam!-"

Halo1 > Halo2
Excitement > Dissapointment


Exactomundo.

  • 11.07.2005 3:35 AM PDT
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2 > 1 nobody can argue you that

  • 11.07.2005 10:59 AM PDT
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Alright, everyone.
I created this thread for a reason, and it was not to let people argue (again) about which game is better.
I swear, if I hear even one more person argue about which game is better, I will report this thread and get it locked. I don't care if I agree with them or not.
Please, for the love of God, talk about the topic I started, not about which game is better.

  • 11.07.2005 2:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: dogbert14
wow, a Grunt just polluted this thread with his stupidity...

Yep, he really needs to get a life and quit being an ass.

[Edited on 11/7/2005]

  • 11.07.2005 2:10 PM PDT

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

I think if you came here to argue that Halo 2 is better than Halo 1. You should just leave and go join the other 4+ forums they have dedicated for it and leave us with the one forum where everyone agrees with us. I think you guys are just tired of the little kids in Zanzibar. I serioously doubt any of the Halo 1 bashers have even played Halo 1 LAN Parties, at least more than 5 times.

At least we can agree that Halo 2 has more autoaim than Halo 1. Making it easier for the average gamer which was the audiance for Halo 2.

I am not saying Halo 2 sucks but it just isn't better than Halo 1.

[Edited on 11/7/2005]

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Posted by: dogbert14
wow, a Grunt just polluted this thread with his stupidity...


Yeah, seriously, I wish there were more intelligent people such as yourself on these forums.

Since everyone is wrong, aside from you, thus making you the smartest person ever.

You are the type of person that ruins a discussion. You're like the little kid that runs in the room when mommy and daddy are having an adult conversation cheering about how big and nasty his boogers are.

I don't see what the big deal is, i mean most of the people "arguing" are doing so in a civil manner. The Halo1 vs. Halo2 discussion pertains to Halo1, this is a Halo1 forum, thus i don't see anything wrong with people calmly expressing their opinions.

Don't look at opposing sides of an arguement as hateful flaming people. Its just hard to get your point across via the interweb, so people usually resort to language and terms which they wouldn't always say in real-life. So, when you see someone on these forums, ignore they're shananigans and read what they're really trying to say not the filler in between ideas.

  • 11.07.2005 6:55 PM PDT

It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the right to a fair trial. And it is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves the flag, whose coffin is draped in the flag that allows the protester to burn the flag.Father Dennis Edward O'Brien, USMC

Why report this thread?

We are making progress

and Reading the posts between Greif and Dog is fun.

Dont be a dick and ruin my fun.

  • 11.07.2005 7:29 PM PDT
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W007! halo 2 FTL

  • 11.07.2005 8:12 PM PDT
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haahaha this topic is funny.

  • 11.07.2005 10:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: PiZZAdancer
haahaha this topic is funny.


What do you get when you mix people who think they are the brightest people on the planet, and mix them with people who are actually capable of thinking above a third grade level?

You get this thread. (I'll let you figure out which people fall into either of the categories)

I still don't get why people are so sensitive to people like myself comparing Halo1 and Halo2. I mean, Bungie made a sequel, shouldn't we be aloud to talk about both of them in the same sentence without being flamed?

Oh and DoggyBerty-Poo-Poo, i don't believe you've contributed anything other than a few sparse, pseudo-cryptic replies. I believe in another thread you stated you had an unlimited number of reasons why Halo2 is better than Halo1, but as of yet, no one has seen those reasons, other than your, sometimes paltry, yet undeniable genius and excrutiating wit, that I myself have trouble comprehending.

Yet, perhaps you are such a genius, that no one has even begun to fathom it. Maybe, if you were to offer a peek into your vast echoing cavern inside of your head where a brain would normally be.

If you feel this reply was hurtful in any way shape or form to any party, concerned in this document, please immediately send me a PM, so that i may fix my errors in judgement.

!Toodles!

  • 11.07.2005 10:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: halo1isbetter
omfg u have got to be kidding me the only ppl that clame this is "Halo 2 Bashing" are the ones that are afraid to admit that they suck at halo 1 cause it actually takes skill and there isn't a huge auto-aim


Yes there is huge auto aim in halo 1. I can sweep snipe just the same, etc.

  • 11.08.2005 1:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: Vitamin Zawaz
Posted by: halo1isbetter
omfg u have got to be kidding me the only ppl that clame this is "Halo 2 Bashing" are the ones that are afraid to admit that they suck at halo 1 cause it actually takes skill and there isn't a huge auto-aim


There isn't "huge" auto-aim in Halo 2 either; everyone makes it seem like a bigger problem than it seems. You shoot a little above the head with a BR and the shot lands.

Now grab a Halo 1 pistol. Stand halfway across the map. Shoot someone unscoped in the chest. TSK right there. Believe me, I've tried it. Is that auto-aim? Yes.

The auto-aim in Halo 2 is not a massive problem. The same amount is in Halo 1, but you just like to ignore it and say that Halo 2 fans have no skill. Maybe you are the one with no skill at Halo 2. Why else would you complain about it so much, huh?

Try this experiment. Play legendary on Halo 1. Now do it on Halo 2. Which is harder? Halo 2's, because you can't pull off the old "one person risks life while other stays back." Instead, it's "one of us dies, we both die." Does it require more skill, then, to play legendary? Yes.

You say Halo 2 requires no skill because you don't want it to require skill. Maybe you don't like it. So what? But does that mean that everyone who DOES like it is a skill-less noob? No. It means that YOU are obviously the one in need of gaming skills. It means that YOU are the one that doesn't know how to use an SMG effectively. It means that you only get owned by auto-aim so bad because you probably run in a straight line all the time like a skill-less two-dimensional figure who was so attached to his Halo 1 pistol that adaptation was completely out of the question. Without your three-shot pistol, you can't win.

So what do you do: well, since you were so used to just standing still in halo 1 and earning your TSK's like crazy, that you try the trick with the BR. It doesn't work. "Oh no, I can't kill as fast with the BR! Let's go look for mistakes that AREN'T even mistakes to begin with!"

You try running aimlessly with the SMG. Suddenly you get killed with the shotgun. So you find two reasons to dislike the game:
"The shotgun is a noob weapon!"
"The SMG is a peashooter!"
"I stand still all the time, so auto-aim kills me all the time!"

If you actually learned to be on the move, you could easily get the upper-hand in the match, auto-aim or not.

  • 11.08.2005 1:07 AM PDT
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That does it; I'm reporting this thread.
Asses...

  • 11.08.2005 8:47 AM PDT

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