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John is a honorless bastard for wasting time calling us honorless for humping someone in a game that is meant for entertainment.

  • 08.17.2004 9:59 AM PDT
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How is there dishonour in showing one the error of their ways?

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Dishonor in corpse humping someone in a video game?


Wow, Yoozel has absolutely no honor left in him. :D :D

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It's people like John who take the fun out of Halo by treating it like its some trial to become a man.

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Posted by: JohnKerensky
There is honnour to every part of life; work, games, love, whatever. But we live in the age of honourless curs, and I forget I am in the minority. Such a sad state the world is in.


Chivalry isn't dead John -- but it's a game, part of the fun is showing someone that you owned them. It's silly and irrational, and dare I say it dishonorable to get angry over a silly gag in a videogame.... Especially when the designers of said game originated it in that sense. Part of the game in Football is psyching out your opponent, and it's the same here. If you get angry you lose focus -- no matter what you tell yourself. It's a physiological fact that high emotion clouds perceptions and thought processes. There is a time and place for chivalry... and it's not 3 seconds after I send a rocket up your nose...

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Posted by: JohnKerensky
How is there dishonour in showing one the error of their ways?


There is dishonor in acting ignoble. And pride, and anger...
Honor is quite a delicate subject - and you should fully understand what honor is before you attempt to apply it to a videogame... If I beat you up, in real life, then helped you on you feet, that's honorable, if I yelled at you or 'teabagged' you ::shudder:: that would be dishonorable. However, if I do that in a videogame, you are still next to me, in the next chair -- I have not insulted you, I have insulted your character in the game. I have possibly insulted you skills - but that still has no basis on my honor - only yours.

<<Edit>> Here is a link to a page on my website that explains warfare and the honor behind it - I adapted it some time ago to Halo, but if you aren't serious about learning what honor is, don't bother.<<Edit>>

[Edited on 8/17/2004 12:44:05 PM]

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Posted by: JohnKerensky
How is there dishonour in showing one the error of their ways?


John, what are you to decide what is an error, what is honor? You decide this? Are you so high above everyone else? You seem to think so. Now if some people wish to coarpse hump, good for them. I've seen it in halo for a long time. I don't know if I support "corpse humping", but I don't support you.

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Posted by: JohnKerensky
There is honnour to every part of life; work, games, love, whatever. But we live in the age of honourless curs, and I forget I am in the minority. Such a sad state the world is in.


I'll agree. Corpse-humping is stupid. I've never done it (but I have meleed a corpse before... but not in the crouch position). But saying you're in the honorable minority and that most people have no honor is a very arrogant and honorless thing to do. Lighten up and grow up. Its damn near human nature to show kinds of "nonsportsmanship," and to taunt fallen foes like corpse-humping, so get used to it.

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You are in error, sir. To get angry is not to lose focus no matter what one tells ones self. I suggest you learn a little more of what *you* speak.

You are also in error to think taht it is 'ok' to show disrespect to an opponent. Pull whatever pathetic excuses you wish out of where ever you wish, it is dishonourable to act in such a manner to any opponent, be his skill vastly below yours or not. Do they corpes hump (or some other vile gesture of 'superiority') one another at the Olympics? No, and an athelete would be stigmatized for doing such. But what would be wrong with that, that is a game. Game or no game, it is disrespectful to your opponent and therefore lacks all honour.

Your paltry attempts to turn this on me only serve to further my argument of your childishness. This is not preschool, children, "I know you are but what am I" is out-dated.

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woa....u guys..its just humping. its funny and its done. ok?

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Posted by: JohnKerensky
You are in error, sir. To get angry is not to lose focus no matter what one tells ones self. I suggest you learn a little more of what *you* speak.

You are also in error to think taht it is 'ok' to show disrespect to an opponent. Pull whatever pathetic excuses you wish out of where ever you wish, it is dishonourable to act in such a manner to any opponent, be his skill vastly below yours or not. Do they corpes hump (or some other vile gesture of 'superiority') one another at the Olympics? No, and an athelete would be stigmatized for doing such. But what would be wrong with that, that is a game. Game or no game, it is disrespectful to your opponent and therefore lacks all honour.

Your paltry attempts to turn this on me only serve to further my argument of your childishness. This is not preschool, children, "I know you are but what am I" is out-dated.


Read the link and please be quiet about it... Stubborness is also a path to dishonor.

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Where have I mentioned anything about battle? Your point is indefensible. It is disrespectful; fact. As such, it lacks honour. It is simple. A=B. B=C. Ergo, A=C.

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Posted by: JohnKerensky
Where have I mentioned anything about battle? Your point is indefensible. It is disrespectful; fact. As such, it lacks honour. It is simple. A=B. B=C. Ergo, A=C.


Incorrect, arrogant and rude.

Battle is competition, therefore by your poor argument "A=B. B=C. Ergo, A=C" All competition is battle.

Either way - honor in your arguments (limited in scope as they are) pertains to how you treat an opponent. I have tried to treat you with respect and offer proof to you, and you fail to see with a pure mind - this is the anger and arrogance clouding your judgement. As was mentioned earlier. You argued with a physiological fact, arguing something you know nothing about is also dishonorable, as it is tantamount to lying.

You are an ignorant person with a warped sense of personal honor, and I offer a truce of sorts for you to actually read something written by Sun Tzu, a master of warfare and aide-de-camp to honor, written by a peoples who actually began the concept of honor. You are arrogant and rude - and have no honor. My point is perfect - it is your concept of honor that is flawed.

Here's the link again just in case you change you mind and wish to have a real discussion, as it is, your lack of focus and understanding is causing me to rethink your intelligence.

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"Now in order to kill the enemy, our men must be roused to anger; that there may be advantage from defeating the enemy, they must have their rewards."

But you said anger is folly. Nice contradiction in theory.



"The captured soldiers should be kindly treated and kept."

And killed soldiers should be treated with EVEN MORE kindness.



The concept of honour, I am sure, is far older than the Orient, good sir.



""A kingdom should not be governed from without, and army should not be directed from within." Of course it is true that, during an engagement, or when in close touch with the enemy, the general should not be in the thick of his own troops, but a little distance apart. Otherwise, he will be liable to misjudge the position as a whole, and give wrong orders"

That is somewhat amusing considering one of the most successful generals of all time led from the front lines, if I recall my history correctly.

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Multiplayer is played to have fun. This defeats the whole purpose. I think it's pretty sad when people get so pissed and up-tight about something like that in a videogame. Lighten up, because you're acting quite immature.

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Posted by: JohnKerensky
"Now in order to kill the enemy, our men must be roused to anger; that there may be advantage from defeating the enemy, they must have their rewards."

But you said anger is folly. Nice contradiction in theory.


No contradiction -- To kill effectively, you must be angry, because that subdues the emotions of pity and remorse. You planning on going into the army? Because otherwise that has nothing to do with this argument -- a video game. Besides - the net effect is to drop other emotions - which proves my point.



"The captured soldiers should be kindly treated and kept."

And killed soldiers should be treated with EVEN MORE kindness.


Please don't try to add to the words of Sun Tzu -- that is extremely disrespectful and arrogant, and you should have known that if you actually had honor. That was just -- low and disgusting behavior.

And to be sure -- Killed soldiers were often used for meat and stripped of possesions and dumped in a pit with lime. Not too kind -- but extremely honorable.

[Edited on 8/17/2004 1:53:35 PM]

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Posted by: JohnKerensky

The concept of honour, I am sure, is far older than the Orient, good sir.


Wrong. Just plain out wrong. Civility began in the orient -- Concept of honor, trade and loyalty also began in the orient. You are ignorant sir...


""A kingdom should not be governed from without, and army should not be directed from within." Of course it is true that, during an engagement, or when in close touch with the enemy, the general should not be in the thick of his own troops, but a little distance apart. Otherwise, he will be liable to misjudge the position as a whole, and give wrong orders"

That is somewhat amusing considering one of the most successful generals of all time led from the front lines, if I recall my history correctly.


Name him please? And tell me if he was more successful than Nobunanga, or ShinGen ?

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Posted by: JohnKerensky

Your paltry attempts to turn this on me only serve to further my argument of your childishness. This is not preschool, children, "I know you are but what am I" is out-dated.


He's not the one name-calling.....

Now go to you room.

You are currently in a state where you won't even accept anyone elses opinion, you haven't even brought up any evidence to your cause. You are exteremely stubborn, so there is little more point in arguing with you.

People are trying to have fun. This action is a gesture or taunt which some people. Its a simple gensture. You may not like it, but guess what. You can't always get your way. If you don't like it make your own server and say "no corpse humping", a place where you can call the shots. You people in your close-minded minority are the people who develope the problems, and I hope there aren't many like you. I don't like coarpse humping either, and I don't use it simply because you are in a vulnerable state, when you could get killed easily. But when I get coarpse humped I don't complain, or call them an honorless cur. I accept it, since thats the other person telling me they killed me, since they did. There aren't really many ways to explain that in a vice-less game. They earned the right to my corpse.

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Yes, it is a contradiction. You said it is folly to get angry. You also said that via A=C cometition = battle, therfore the rules of battle should apply. You can not pick and choose which of Sun Tzu's principles can apply to the game. Either all of them should apply, or none of them. If none, then why am I reading this? If all, then you have indeed contradicted yoruself.

I was not adding, I was comenting. How exactly is using the remains of someone who was fighiting to overthrow your cause to further that cause honourable? That is a gerivous slap to the face! A felled soldier on the battlefield deserves a propper burial, not to have his body descerated for the cause he gave up his life fighting.

The general of whom I spoke was Napoleon. I am unsure, but did not Alexsander the Great also lead from the front?

I am ignorant? Civility began in the Orient? Oh, I forgot, you have been around since the dawn of time and were omnipresent in ALL societies since. My mistake.

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People are trying to have fun.

I see, so for the sake of fun it is acceptable to be grotesque and disrespectful. If one must perform such degenerate actions as 'taunts' to 'have fun' then one has a problem.

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This action is a gesture or taunt which some people. Its a simple gensture.

Incorrect. It is a contemptible gesture, lacking all taste and civility.

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I don't complain, or call them an honorless cur.

That is your perogative, it is mine to revile and decry these detestable people for their repulsive display of poor sportsmanship.

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I accept it, since thats the other person telling me they killed me, since they did.

Such is uneeded. The game itself tells you that you have been killed, and who was responsible. Also, any bloke with half a lobe should be able to tell that they are dead as they are no longer in control of what they see.

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They earned the right to my corpse.

No, they did not. They 'earned the right' to have their score inrease by one integer.

EDIT: Blast my shoddy typing skills! ::laughs::

[Edited on 8/17/2004 2:14:46 PM]

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Posted by: JohnKerensky
Yes, it is a contradiction. You said it is folly to get angry. You also said that via A=C cometition = battle, therfore the rules of battle should apply. You can not pick and choose which of Sun Tzu's principles can apply to the game. Either all of them should apply, or none of them. If none, then why am I reading this? If all, then you have indeed contradicted yoruself.
I didn't say it was folly to get angry - I said it clouded your judgements and emotions, which is true. I don't know where you are talking about which of Sun Tzu's principle to apply, it's always all of them - You just have to have the intelligence to understand how they should be applied. Again there is no contradiction as there is no actual loss of life to apply the anger to. Applying anger to a videogame is simply immature. That's like saying that a videogame cheats. It makes you look foolish.

I was not adding, I was comenting. How exactly is using the remains of someone who was fighiting to overthrow your cause to further that cause honourable? That is a gerivous slap to the face! A felled soldier on the battlefield deserves a propper burial, not to have his body descerated for the cause he gave up his life fighting.
The honor for that individual is culminated in the fact that he gave his life fighting for his cause. This was war - and every soldier knew the facts, and accepted the eventual honor of serving a worthy adversary in death.

The general of whom I spoke was Napoleon. I am unsure, but did not Alexsander the Great also lead from the front?
Napoleon was nowhere near the front lines. And neither was Alexander the Great. Napoleon was in the throng, to be sure -- but he was WELL protected.

I am ignorant? Civility began in the Orient? Oh, I forgot, you have been around since the dawn of time and were omnipresent in ALL societies since. My mistake. Comments like this prove your ignorance.


Your failure to accept another point of view and your flaws reminds me of an old Chinese proverb:
Be not afraid of growing slowly, be only afraid of standing still...

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I see, so for the sake of fun it is acceptable to be grotesque and disrespectful. If one must perform such degenerate actions as 'taunts' to 'have fun' then one has a problem.

Lets take this to another level. Why do you believe it is disrespectful? I think its just an unneeded action which gets in the way. Which is why I accept it. You seem to have a stronger issue with it. Why do you see it as disrespectful?

I guess its like bragging, see I'm here now. What are you going to do about it?

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People are trying to have fun.

I see, so for the sake of fun it is acceptable to be grotesque and disrespectful. If one must perform such degenerate actions as 'taunts' to 'have fun' then one has a problem.
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Actually, in many activitys being grotesque is the whole point of having fun, and that doesn't necessarily mean you are being disrespectful. Quite the contrary.

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This action is a gesture or taunt which some people. Its a simple gensture.

Incorrect. It is a contemptible gesture, lacking all taste and civility.
It lacks taste to be sure, but it is a taunt - which is expression, which is civil.

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I don't complain, or call them an honorless cur.

That is your perogative, it is mine to revile and decry these detestable people for their repulsive display of poor sportsmanship.
Detestable people is a strong worg -- and belies your ignorance.

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I accept it, since thats the other person telling me they killed me, since they did.

Such is uneeded. The game itself tells you that you have been killed, and who was responsible. Also, any bloke with half a lobe should be able to tell that they are dead as they are no longer in control of what they see.
First off, I don't know why someone from Mississippi would use the word 'bloke'... Secondly, would you be saying that people have no right to self expression? That's a facist belief, and you shouldn't try to push your beliefs on others, because that's dishonorable.

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They earned the right to my corpse.

No, they did not. They 'earned the right' to have their score inrease by one integer.
They earned the right to express themselves in whichever way the game allows.

EDIT: Blast my shoddy typing skills! ::laughs::
You should have said - Blast my shoddy people skills.

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Ok this is getting a little wierd. Let each man do as he sees fit according to his morals and his honor. If you must at any point deal with anyone who you deem honorless, dismiss him, as his actions will not tarnish your sense of honor, simply because they are not yours. If you are so inclined to think of yourself as having honor, and are incensed by your opponent's behaviour, do not reward him with annoyance. If you do, he will have illicited the desired response.

[Edited on 8/17/2004 2:41:47 PM]

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^^^^^ I agree

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