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Subject: What information would you like from this database?
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One of the things that kept me from joining groups when I first signed up was I didn't know what groups where available. It was a lot of guess work to search for groups from the group search and still you may miss some groups.

Now that we figured out what the highest group number is and the searching is almost finished, pulling the information from the files will be the next important thing. So I have some questions about what you would like to know about a group in a database. Basically I can pull anything off of the front page.

What information would you think would be useful in a group database?

Would you like to be able to list all groups with a certain amount of members?

Any other ideas about what you would like to be done?

Do you think this is totally pointless?



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  • 10.27.2005 9:56 PM PDT
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Well groups are made every day so that the number will keep changing plus groups are deleted every day also. I do know that Marty's Army is the oldest group and the largest in members.

  • 10.27.2005 10:03 PM PDT

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I also know that there are not over 100,000 members on Bungie.net. So what ever the max on Bungie.net you can concider that you max #. However relize that # of members dosn't mean a good group and I am preaty sure that not everyone here will join your group. Most might check out but probibly not for long. People jsut have difrent intrests.

  • 10.27.2005 10:12 PM PDT
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The biggest group number I know is in the 80,000's. I was hoping one of the web team guys who read this could come up with a definate number.

It is going to take a while to just get the html type source. I'm not even on 2000 yet. I think the way the number assignment works is that when a number is assigned to a group and a group dies that number is never reused. So even groups that no longer exist count towards that highest value. The bad thing is that when a group doesn't exist for a url it still gives me back the source of the error page. Luckily error pages are all about the same size and that will allow them to be filtered easily by hand.

  • 10.27.2005 10:21 PM PDT
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You sound like your obsessed and have nothing better to do.

  • 10.27.2005 10:22 PM PDT
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Yeah I am a little bored, but its not that much work. I used a gnu(i think) program called wget and I made a program to automatically generate a batch file to call it for all the different URL's.

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  • 10.27.2005 10:25 PM PDT

http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/atticus/Group/GroupHome.aspx

There are a ton of groups that are gone. #'s that have no group. Considering the #'s go in order.

Go make a group. Really fast, jsut type random stuff. Then the group ID is the highest there is. Then delete the group. Simple as that to find out.

Although that # will change by at least 10 in the next day. Gauranteed if not more.

  • 10.28.2005 3:20 PM PDT
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Thanks, I didn't think of that. 86970 is the highest group when I tried that out. I've got 2 pc's up and searching for groups right now. I've noticed that the source files for all error pages for group not found are 10KB so far here are my results.

PC 1: Assigned to searching 2-49999
It has searched up to 28026.
It has found 2407 groups.

PC 2: Assigned to searching 50000 - 86970
It has searched up to 69142.
It has found 1916 groups.

That is 4323 groups found.

  • 10.28.2005 5:26 PM PDT
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Does your program find groups that have the numbers taken out of the url and replaced with whatever the admin wants? And also the earlier chapters have a different url compared with today's groups. They have an extra "fanclub" in their url. I imagine you already knew this, cause otherwise your results would be inaccurate.

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  • 10.28.2005 5:59 PM PDT
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http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/politic/GroupHome.aspx
http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/44626/Group/GroupHome.aspx

On the first issue I've noticed that every group has two url's that both lead to its hompage. Using the numbered url is much easier that coming up with every possible letter combination.

I'm not sure about the second thing. Maybe if you gave me an example. My bat file runs a program to download the source like this

bungie.net/fanclub/2/Group/GroupHome.aspx
bungie.net/fanclub/3/Group/GroupHome.aspx
bungie.net/fanclub/.../Group/GroupHome.aspx
bungie.net/fanclub/85000/Group/GroupHome.aspx

Is that going to miss these older groups?

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  • 10.28.2005 6:50 PM PDT

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Does your program find groups that have the numbers taken out of the url and replaced with whatever the admin wants? And also the earlier chapters have a different url compared with today's groups. They have an extra "fanclub" in their url. I imagine you already knew this, cause otherwise your results would be inaccurate.

Different URL? I don't see that in any of my groups.

Also, ID numbers work regardless of whether a short URL has been specified or not.

  • 10.29.2005 12:42 AM PDT
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The different url I'm talking about is the one for the older groups. Instead of

bungie.net/fanclub/2/Group/GroupHome.aspx

it should be

bungie.net/fanclub/fanclub2/Group/GroupHome.aspx

otherwise it will give you an error page. Proof:

http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/fanclub1/GroupHome.aspx

http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/1/GroupHome.aspx

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  • 10.29.2005 10:03 AM PDT
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That is just a 3rd alias see:

http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/fanclub1/GroupHome.aspx
http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/2/GroupHome.aspx

  • 10.29.2005 12:54 PM PDT