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Subject: The Forerunners VS the Ancients (From Stargate)

The Razor.

For the honour of the Mirratord.

Yes people do watch Stargate Universe, because its better than the other two series.

  • 11.04.2010 12:11 PM PDT

I saw a space battle with a ship that could bypass shields like you guys have been saying a few days ago. It was Stargate BTW.

It got destroyed by humans (I think, wasn't really paying attention). It pwned the human fleet, but it was destroyed by UNSC/Covenant styled weapons. If that could happen, and that was an Ancient ship like it appeared to be, the Forerunners could walk all over them.

What with their sun-killing weapons and Onyx-drones that could be up into the zettaton range of firepower, if one takes into account their ability to square/multiply their firepower in a supercombined form (take all of the trillions of Onyx sentinels and combine them; the biggest ace in the hole in the universe)

That's assuming I'm right, of course.

[Edited on 11.04.2010 5:34 PM PDT]

  • 11.04.2010 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Yes people do watch Stargate Universe, because its better than the other two series.

HERESY!!

SG1 all the way.

  • 11.04.2010 2:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Yes people do watch Stargate Universe, because its better than the other two series.

HERESY!!

SG1 all the way.

BLASPHEMY
Atlantis Forever

  • 11.04.2010 7:56 PM PDT

The Razor.

For the honour of the Mirratord.

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Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Yes people do watch Stargate Universe, because its better than the other two series.

HERESY!!

SG1 all the way.

BLASPHEMY
Atlantis Forever


I would be willing to admit that SG-1 is better than Universe because its been a long time since I saw SG-1, so I can't really make a valid comparison, but I'm sorry, Atlantis is very clichéd and repetitive with rather boring characters. I still love it, but Universe is far better.

  • 11.05.2010 8:28 AM PDT

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I liked the early SG-1 stuff, good fun it was, but Atlantis was boring and cliched. I thought Universe might be a good reboot but unfortunately, for me, it is the same as Atlantis. It tries so hard to be gritty and hard like BSG but fails to tackle those gritty and hard subjects, instead it -blam!--foots around and ignores those tough key issues that survival would throw up.

  • 11.05.2010 10:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Posted by: Pettifer7

Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: Mr Evil 37
Yes people do watch Stargate Universe, because its better than the other two series.

HERESY!!

SG1 all the way.

BLASPHEMY
Atlantis Forever


I would be willing to admit that SG-1 is better than Universe because its been a long time since I saw SG-1, so I can't really make a valid comparison, but I'm sorry, Atlantis is very clichéd and repetitive with rather boring characters. I still love it, but Universe is far better.


I rather liked the Characters in Atlantis, I always thought SG-1 had the most horrible storyline/plot. It was "Interesting" the way it went into Ancient stories at first, but then it was just kind of... Repedative, and it was "Okay... so now that they've beaten that enemy... lets make another even more powerful enemy" Over... and over... and over... again.

  • 11.05.2010 3:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
I liked the early SG-1 stuff, good fun it was, but Atlantis was boring and cliched. I thought Universe might be a good reboot but unfortunately, for me, it is the same as Atlantis. It tries so hard to be gritty and hard like BSG but fails to tackle those gritty and hard subjects, instead it -blam!--foots around and ignores those tough key issues that survival would throw up.

Up to season 8 of SG1 was good in my opinion, with the fall of Anubis and the Replicators. The Ori were basically an OP version of the Goa'uld. It was the same sort of theme again. More sophisticated beings tricking people of lower sophistication into worshipping them.

Also, I remember one of my parents once saying that whenever Boe Bridges appears, a series is in trouble...

  • 11.05.2010 3:36 PM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I saw a space battle with a ship that could bypass shields like you guys have been saying a few days ago. It was Stargate BTW.

It got destroyed by humans (I think, wasn't really paying attention). It pwned the human fleet, but it was destroyed by UNSC/Covenant styled weapons. If that could happen, and that was an Ancient ship like it appeared to be, the Forerunners could walk all over them.

What with their sun-killing weapons and Onyx-drones that could be up into the zettaton range of firepower, if one takes into account their ability to square/multiply their firepower in a supercombined form (take all of the trillions of Onyx sentinels and combine them; the biggest ace in the hole in the universe)

That's assuming I'm right, of course.

lol Puddle Jumper? the WEAKEST Ancient ship class ever? And those "humans" were actually Asuran Replicators. Hell the reps could probably -blam!- over BOTH the Ancients and the Forerunners...once they gain enough momentum. Replicator-Flood alliance would be like Angelus all over again.

Also SG-1/Atlantis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>>>> Universe IMO.

  • 12.04.2010 8:54 AM PDT


Posted by: KSI SC Matt
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
I saw a space battle with a ship that could bypass shields like you guys have been saying a few days ago. It was Stargate BTW.

It got destroyed by humans (I think, wasn't really paying attention). It pwned the human fleet, but it was destroyed by UNSC/Covenant styled weapons. If that could happen, and that was an Ancient ship like it appeared to be, the Forerunners could walk all over them.

What with their sun-killing weapons and Onyx-drones that could be up into the zettaton range of firepower, if one takes into account their ability to square/multiply their firepower in a supercombined form (take all of the trillions of Onyx sentinels and combine them; the biggest ace in the hole in the universe)

That's assuming I'm right, of course.

lol Puddle Jumper? the WEAKEST Ancient ship class ever? And those "humans" were actually Asuran Replicators. Hell the reps could probably -blam!- over BOTH the Ancients and the Forerunners...once they gain enough momentum. Replicator-Flood alliance would be like Angelus all over again.

Also SG-1/Atlantis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>& gt;>>>>>>>>> Universe IMO.


Question: could they turn stars to stellar grenades with their weapons?

Also, it could be speculated the Forerunners also ascended, because after firing the rings they packed up and left to follow "in their footsteps" on what Diadect coined the "Great Journey."

He's obviously referring to Precursors.

If this is true, then this fight could actually be fair even at divinity.

  • 12.04.2010 11:17 AM PDT

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
the Ancients are the technologically superior race for me, lets break down why I personally think this:

1) Destiny: this ship has been flying solo, for millions of years, it has travelled the universe, been through tens, hundreds, maybe thousands of galaxies and its still functioning, that is the ultimate testament to how resilient Ancient technology can be if they put their minds to it.

2) Stargates: near instant travel between two planets in different galaxies, the extent to how advanced this technology is is unbelievable. the amount of energy to do this is beyond comprehension, and the power is provided by a small power generator in the DHD, and that can create a wormhole between two gates (inside the same galaxy) but thousands of light years apart, its like the Ark portal but so much more advanced.

3) Shields: always a weird topic for me regarding the Ancients, they shield technology is unbelievably advanced. Atlantis was submerged for untold number of years, protected from thousands of feet of water by a shield for that much time, again serious technology. Even Puddle Jumpers can be shielded, and then survive multiple Drone impacts, they are smaller than Pelicans.

4) Time Travel: the Ancients possessed the means to travel through time, several pieces of technology have been shown throughout the Stargate Universe (all Ancient) capable of this function.

5) Propulsion: the Ancients were capable of trans-galactic travel, travelling between galaxies is an impressive thing, also Ancient ships are capable of travelling at like 99.999% the speed of light on sub-light engines.

6) Dakara Weapon: it does the exact same as the Halo Installation only it is much much much smaller and can be re-programmed to change its effects, plus the effect travels through Stargates.

7) Cloaking: Puddle Jumpers possess absolutely perfect cloaking technology, it is absolutely 100% invisible and seems to require tiny amounts of power to operate and can be used for extended periods.

8) Power Generation: Zero Point Energy Modules are very very advanced batteries, one ZPM was shown to allow the battlecruiser Daedalus survive an engagement with multiple Wraith Hive Ships and Cruisers for and extended period of time, not to mention that ZPM had been buried for thousands of years in Egypt, and when hooked upto the Hyperspace Drive allowed the Daedalus to cover the distance between Galaxies in days!

8.1) Project Arcturus: The thing that would make ZPMs look like 'alkaline batteries' as quoted from Mckay, harnessing the zero-point energy from our own universe, the ultimate, almost limitless power source.

9) Attero Device: another Ancient 'Super Weapon' was kind of an Endgame weapon in the war against the Wraith, had some nasty side effects!

the list continues, sure the Forerunners built the Halos and the Ark, but as far as general technologies go, I think the Ancients are by far the more impressive of the two races.


1.The forerunner keyship may only be 100,000 years old, but it is in perfect condition.

2. No direct comparison, but forerunners had slipspace and teleportation grids.

3. Even forerunner civilians were given shielding FAR superior to MJOLNIR armor.

4. Unknown, master chief did go beck in time a couple weeks in first strike using forerunner tech.

5. If forerunners could go over 150,000 light years instantaneously, intergalactic travel should be possible.

6. Sword + shield

7. Unknown, however if covenant had near perfect cloaking then forerunners must have had better.

8. The keyship could run all of high charity with a small fraction of its power.

  • 12.04.2010 12:16 PM PDT


Posted by: the n00b pwner
Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
the Ancients are the technologically superior race for me, lets break down why I personally think this:

1) Destiny: this ship has been flying solo, for millions of years, it has travelled the universe, been through tens, hundreds, maybe thousands of galaxies and its still functioning, that is the ultimate testament to how resilient Ancient technology can be if they put their minds to it.

2) Stargates: near instant travel between two planets in different galaxies, the extent to how advanced this technology is is unbelievable. the amount of energy to do this is beyond comprehension, and the power is provided by a small power generator in the DHD, and that can create a wormhole between two gates (inside the same galaxy) but thousands of light years apart, its like the Ark portal but so much more advanced.

3) Shields: always a weird topic for me regarding the Ancients, they shield technology is unbelievably advanced. Atlantis was submerged for untold number of years, protected from thousands of feet of water by a shield for that much time, again serious technology. Even Puddle Jumpers can be shielded, and then survive multiple Drone impacts, they are smaller than Pelicans.

4) Time Travel: the Ancients possessed the means to travel through time, several pieces of technology have been shown throughout the Stargate Universe (all Ancient) capable of this function.

5) Propulsion: the Ancients were capable of trans-galactic travel, travelling between galaxies is an impressive thing, also Ancient ships are capable of travelling at like 99.999% the speed of light on sub-light engines.

6) Dakara Weapon: it does the exact same as the Halo Installation only it is much much much smaller and can be re-programmed to change its effects, plus the effect travels through Stargates.

7) Cloaking: Puddle Jumpers possess absolutely perfect cloaking technology, it is absolutely 100% invisible and seems to require tiny amounts of power to operate and can be used for extended periods.

8) Power Generation: Zero Point Energy Modules are very very advanced batteries, one ZPM was shown to allow the battlecruiser Daedalus survive an engagement with multiple Wraith Hive Ships and Cruisers for and extended period of time, not to mention that ZPM had been buried for thousands of years in Egypt, and when hooked upto the Hyperspace Drive allowed the Daedalus to cover the distance between Galaxies in days!

8.1) Project Arcturus: The thing that would make ZPMs look like 'alkaline batteries' as quoted from Mckay, harnessing the zero-point energy from our own universe, the ultimate, almost limitless power source.

9) Attero Device: another Ancient 'Super Weapon' was kind of an Endgame weapon in the war against the Wraith, had some nasty side effects!

the list continues, sure the Forerunners built the Halos and the Ark, but as far as general technologies go, I think the Ancients are by far the more impressive of the two races.


1.The forerunner keyship may only be 100,000 years old, but it is in perfect condition.

2. No direct comparison, but forerunners had slipspace and teleportation grids.

3. Even forerunner civilians were given shielding FAR superior to MJOLNIR armor.

4. Unknown, master chief did go beck in time a couple weeks in first strike using forerunner tech.

5. If forerunners could go over 150,000 light years instantaneously, intergalactic travel should be possible.

6. Sword + shield

7. Unknown, however if covenant had near perfect cloaking then forerunners must have had better.

8. The keyship could run all of high charity with a small fraction of its power.


forerunner GI's (general infantry) were given power suits 6 times as powerful as MJOLNIR.

they could use stars as stellar grenades.

could fabricate super-dense materials

there is a possibility they ascended.

I think they both equal out actually

[Edited on 12.04.2010 12:58 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 12:58 PM PDT

Maybe the Forerunners and the Ancients are the same.

BTW Ancients made Quantum Mirrors. Halos can't touch that.

  • 12.04.2010 1:32 PM PDT

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