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To bring up Caboose's earlier point about the Covenant ships heavily outnumbering the UNSC in the book, the biggest counter argument I've seen involving Reach's month long siege compared to just the day in FoR is that the UNSC is actually fighting back.

I think people are missing the point: The Covenant and the UNSC are not, in any way, evenly matched. The siege against Reach should never have lasted that long, I was honestly shocked when I did the math after I beat the game. Reach is one of the most important planets to the UNSC, and the Covenant would have realized this. In the books they do, they send over 750 ships to take over Reach and win in a day. And if it's not the importance of the planet to humanity, it's the importance of the Forerunner technology that would drive the Covenant.

Either way, they would want humanity gone as fast as possible, and they easily have the means to do so. A month, in my eyes, is not realistic given why the Covenant were there. Halo: Reach destroyed the significance the planet had in the Halo universe, and the power that the Covenant possessed in completely decimating the human race. A month? The UNSC would never have held out for that long with a planet as important as Reach.

Quick apology, sorry if my thoughts are a tad bit unorganized, I've been awake for 37 hours straight...


I believe the main fleet (whether 315 or 750 ships) didn't arrive until August 30.

August 14th we saw about 12 ships entering the system, but that doesn't have to mean that was the main whole Covenant fleet despite Holland's ''must be the whole damn Covenant fleet''



I think it does, remember that 8/14 on Reach is 8/30 on Earth. Seeing how the transmission was cut off we wouldn't be wrong assuming that was the fleet. The only question everybody has is " Where the hell were the SMACs and the fleet at?".

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Posted by: grey101
The only reason the covenant thought reach was important to us is becuase they thought it was our homeworld. And it was around 300 ships at reach not 750+, if they had that many there wouldn't have been a battle.

Yeah, my bad, it was 300. Been a while since I've read the book.

However, that is not the only reason. They were also there with the intention of finding the Forerunner artifact, which we later learn about in First Strike. The only reason they weren't there before is because they didn't know where Reach was.

Posted by: manwith
I believe the main fleet (whether 315 or 750 ships) didn't arrive until August 30.

August 14th we saw about 12 ships entering the system, but that doesn't have to mean that was the main whole Covenant fleet despite Holland's ''must be the whole damn Covenant fleet''


In the game, yes, but in the book they surprise the UNSC and the fleet shows up in one day and conquers Reach in one day, it doesn't last any longer. Then you get the question of when did the Master Chief get outfitted with Cortana? I really wish I had the book with me so I could get exact dates (will be home later today from college for break) but if I remember correctly and the testing done with John and Cortana happens within one month of the fall of Reach then there's no way the testing could have commenced during the battle, thus eliminating that entire scene (I believe Caboose brought this point up earlier).

If I'm wrong about the time frame please correct me, I'll be re-reading the last part of the book to refresh my memory tonight so I'm a bit more reliable. I'm enjoying this debate and want to join in without sounding like a complete idiot. :P

  • 12.16.2010 7:39 AM PDT


Posted by: manwith
Posted by: Shotgunchief
To bring up Caboose's earlier point about the Covenant ships heavily outnumbering the UNSC in the book, the biggest counter argument I've seen involving Reach's month long siege compared to just the day in FoR is that the UNSC is actually fighting back.

I think people are missing the point: The Covenant and the UNSC are not, in any way, evenly matched. The siege against Reach should never have lasted that long, I was honestly shocked when I did the math after I beat the game. Reach is one of the most important planets to the UNSC, and the Covenant would have realized this. In the books they do, they send over 750 ships to take over Reach and win in a day. And if it's not the importance of the planet to humanity, it's the importance of the Forerunner technology that would drive the Covenant.

Either way, they would want humanity gone as fast as possible, and they easily have the means to do so. A month, in my eyes, is not realistic given why the Covenant were there. Halo: Reach destroyed the significance the planet had in the Halo universe, and the power that the Covenant possessed in completely decimating the human race. A month? The UNSC would never have held out for that long with a planet as important as Reach.

Quick apology, sorry if my thoughts are a tad bit unorganized, I've been awake for 37 hours straight...


I believe the main fleet (whether 315 or 750 ships) didn't arrive until August 30.

August 14th we saw about 12 ships entering the system, but that doesn't have to mean that was the main whole Covenant fleet despite Holland's ''must be the whole damn Covenant fleet''



That's Halopedia's take on the events, that the group we see ariving on the 14th is an advance guard, or something of the sort, of the Fleet of Particular Justice sent to reinforce the Covenant ships already there, as long as it all fits together eventually it doesn't matter to me whether my theories are wrong, I just want it all to fit. And if I have to make theories to do that, so be it.

I just played Long Night of Solace again not that long ago, it's a lot more ships than 12, and the satelite feeding the image shorts out or dies before they stop coming in. Their are obviously enough ships for Dot to glitch out, which I would think would indicate more than 12.

  • 12.16.2010 9:20 AM PDT

Posted by:Shotgunchief
I think people are missing the point: The Covenant and the UNSC are not, in any way, evenly matched. The siege against Reach should never have lasted that long, I was honestly shocked when I did the math after I beat the game. Reach is one of the most important planets to the UNSC, and the Covenant would have realized this. In the books they do, they send over 750 ships to take over Reach and win in a day. And if it's not the importance of the planet to humanity, it's the importance of the Forerunner technology that would drive the Covenant.

Either way, they would want humanity gone as fast as possible, and they easily have the means to do so. A month, in my eyes, is not realistic given why the Covenant were there. Halo: Reach destroyed the significance the planet had in the Halo universe, and the power that the Covenant possessed in completely decimating the human race. A month? The UNSC would never have held out for that long with a planet as important as Reach.

Quick apology, sorry if my thoughts are a tad bit unorganized, I've been awake for 37 hours straight...


It's only a couple Corvettes and a Super Carrier up to the 14th, that's part of the month, and they were fairly evenly matched up until 14th when more ships arrived, and against the full Covenant military muscle Reach only lasted about fifteen days, which makes much more sense than one day, considering that Reach is pretty the main military hub of the UNSC.

And remember, the Covenant had no idea what Reach was until they got there, at least not really, they knew it would be important, since that was where the Iroquois returned after Sigma Octanus, but they didn't know just how important. And I don't think Reach taking longer to fall takes away any meaning from its importance. In fact I think it adds to or enhances it. Think about, if it's the second most important planet in the UNSC they're going to be more determined to hang on to it and push the Covies back.

  • 12.16.2010 9:42 AM PDT

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I agree about the time frame. It doesn't make sense. The Covenant that we read about in the novels would wipe Reach out in the numbers supposedly at Reach, I can easily see a large Covenant Fleet destroying Reach in a day. How could it ever take longer?? Orbital bombardment and complete domination wouldn't take longer.

As for the Super Carrier, what was it even doing there? It didn't appear to achieve anything, they didn't find out about the nuke minefield, didnt disable the Super MAC generators and didn't achieve any significant victories. Seems strange that a battleship that could single handedly wipe out the majority of Reach's defenses as it had slipped past didn't do that at all.

  • 12.16.2010 10:00 AM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
I agree about the time frame. It doesn't make sense. The Covenant that we read about in the novels would wipe Reach out in the numbers supposedly at Reach, I can easily see a large Covenant Fleet destroying Reach in a day. How could it ever take longer?? Orbital bombardment and complete domination wouldn't take longer.

As for the Super Carrier, what was it even doing there? It didn't appear to achieve anything, they didn't find out about the nuke minefield, didnt disable the Super MAC generators and didn't achieve any significant victories. Seems strange that a battleship that could single handedly wipe out the majority of Reach's defenses as it had slipped past didn't do that at all.


It was actually fairly even, 'til the SMACs went down. The Covenant only had 300 ships there. And frankly I think they make the Covenant way too powerful in the books, at least the ones I've read so far. In the books the way they're portrayed they should be able to steam roll the UNSC with practically no effort at all. And Reach being the main military hub for the UNSC it makes a lot more sense for them to last half a month against 300 ships with fairly even odds than being conquered in a single day.

Once it was discovered it completely laid waste to the Viery Territory. I would guess that taking out Reach's defenses weren't in its mission parameters, and it could have been re-purposed like the Ascendant Justice was, ie less armament and improved stealth for setting up a foothold on Reach.

  • 12.16.2010 5:12 PM PDT

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Hey guys! TFoR was written almost 10 -blam!- years ago, by someone who wasn't ACTUALLY part of Bungie as a Ad Campaign for Halo: CE

The Modern version of TFoR clears up the "inconsistencies" and was written using The Canon Bible.

AND in TFoR v. 1 it NEVER SAID ANYTHING about ONE DAY and it never said PoA was in space the whole time, ALSO Kat said the SMACs were down/ gone/ not working

anyways Bungie wouldnt -blam!- their own canon

  • 12.16.2010 5:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: flamedude
I agree about the time frame. It doesn't make sense. The Covenant that we read about in the novels would wipe Reach out in the numbers supposedly at Reach, I can easily see a large Covenant Fleet destroying Reach in a day. How could it ever take longer?? Orbital bombardment and complete domination wouldn't take longer.

As for the Super Carrier, what was it even doing there? It didn't appear to achieve anything, they didn't find out about the nuke minefield, didnt disable the Super MAC generators and didn't achieve any significant victories. Seems strange that a battleship that could single handedly wipe out the majority of Reach's defenses as it had slipped past didn't do that at all.


It was actually fairly even, 'til the SMACs went down. The Covenant only had 300 ships there. And frankly I think they make the Covenant way too powerful in the books, at least the ones I've read so far. In the books the way they're portrayed they should be able to steam roll the UNSC with practically no effort at all. And Reach being the main military hub for the UNSC it makes a lot more sense for them to last half a month against 300 ships with fairly even odds than being conquered in a single day.

Once it was discovered it completely laid waste to the Viery Territory. I would guess that taking out Reach's defenses weren't in its mission parameters, and it could have been re-purposed like the Ascendant Justice was, ie less armament and improved stealth for setting up a foothold on Reach.


My problem is that the Covenant and UNSC both possess weapons of mass destruction. Battles using such powerful weapons simply can't last very long, imagine a battle on Earth with nuclear weapons. It would last a day and no longer as one side (or both sides) would be annihilated pretty much instantly.

This isn't a napoleonic or WW1 style affair with entrenched troops. We have orbital bombardment, Super MACs and ultimately a much more powerful Covenant force. I can only see it happening the way it happened in the book; initially the UNSC resist and then give way in a very short space of time.

Dragging the Halo Reach conflict to multiple weeks achieves nothing except causes doubt and disbelief.

  • 12.16.2010 6:41 PM PDT


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Posted by: flamedude
I agree about the time frame. It doesn't make sense. The Covenant that we read about in the novels would wipe Reach out in the numbers supposedly at Reach, I can easily see a large Covenant Fleet destroying Reach in a day. How could it ever take longer?? Orbital bombardment and complete domination wouldn't take longer.

As for the Super Carrier, what was it even doing there? It didn't appear to achieve anything, they didn't find out about the nuke minefield, didnt disable the Super MAC generators and didn't achieve any significant victories. Seems strange that a battleship that could single handedly wipe out the majority of Reach's defenses as it had slipped past didn't do that at all.


It was actually fairly even, 'til the SMACs went down. The Covenant only had 300 ships there. And frankly I think they make the Covenant way too powerful in the books, at least the ones I've read so far. In the books the way they're portrayed they should be able to steam roll the UNSC with practically no effort at all. And Reach being the main military hub for the UNSC it makes a lot more sense for them to last half a month against 300 ships with fairly even odds than being conquered in a single day.

Once it was discovered it completely laid waste to the Viery Territory. I would guess that taking out Reach's defenses weren't in its mission parameters, and it could have been re-purposed like the Ascendant Justice was, ie less armament and improved stealth for setting up a foothold on Reach.


My problem is that the Covenant and UNSC both possess weapons of mass destruction. Battles using such powerful weapons simply can't last very long, imagine a battle on Earth with nuclear weapons. It would last a day and no longer as one side (or both sides) would be annihilated pretty much instantly.

This isn't a napoleonic or WW1 style affair with entrenched troops. We have orbital bombardment, Super MACs and ultimately a much more powerful Covenant force. I can only see it happening the way it happened in the book; initially the UNSC resist and then give way in a very short space of time.

Dragging the Halo Reach conflict to multiple weeks achieves nothing except causes doubt and disbelief.


Having vast numbers of super weapons does not necessarily mean that battles are quick, in fact I seem to recall a battle in the Halo universe that took a very long time, I can't remember what it was though. And also, take the Harvest Campaign, granted that's lots of battles, but it lasted for 5 years.

Even if the Covenant are more powerful, I still don't see them taking Reach in a single day, it just doesn't make sense to me at all, this is Reach we're talking about.
And take the Battle of Earth for instance, it didn't fall in a single day at all, granted Truth concentrated his forces mainly in East Africa around New Mombasa, but still, Reach is not much weaker in defenses than Earth, it makes no sense for it to fall in a couple hours.

Dragging it out causes doubt and disbelief for who, the people who've read the books?

  • 12.17.2010 9:21 AM PDT

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Hmm... well I respectfully disagree. Vast numbers of super weapons that can instantly destroy ships, gut ground based armies and raze cities mean that you can't just hunker down and hide. They will still reach you.

The time frame would only make sense if the Covenant fleet was much smaller and that the UNSC fleet was still in some form still holding back the Covenant ships. Without space support any ground based defense is doomed.

With power like the Covenant has it really should be like shooting fish in a barrel. Like in the book.

  • 12.17.2010 9:33 AM PDT
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I can't believe this thread is gone on for so long. For all you who are saying "Reach breaks canon!!" let me say this. The games (CE, 2, 3, ODST, Reach) are your Primary Canon. The books are just things that elaborate upon the stories of the games. Bungie can do whatever they want in a game and even if it contradicts what was in a book that came before (Halo: Fall of Reach being published before Halo: Reach was released), the events in the game take precedence. Get over yourselves.

  • 12.17.2010 10:35 AM PDT

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1. Apparently Master chief was still training with cortana in some mountain base while the planet was already under siege for weeks.

2. The POA isn't rated for atmosphere so it could never land on the planet.

3. Brutes never took part in this battle.

4. Zealot Elites are field commanders, not spec ops commandos who sneak onto planets looking for artifacts.

5. How exactly did a city sized supercarrier "sneak" onto the planet? I don't buy the whole cloaking excuse because it's not like the cloaking devices were already on the planet, so the ship couldn't have been cloaked when it arrived at the planet.

6. Where were the 100 unsc ships that were supposed to be in orbit around the planet at all times? I saw like 3 or 4 and that's it.

7. What was stopping said fleet from gutting that supercarrier as soon as it de-cloaked? Or the orbital MACs?

8. Why would the covies bother invading New Alexandria when their ships overhead could just glass it? Not to mention there was nothing of value in the city.

9. In tip of the spear why launch a ground assualt that revolves around charging straight at the enemy? This isn't the revolutionary war.

10. Why was there a piece of cortana not with the chief?

11. The last level after the credits Noble 6 was nowhere near castle base, the only spot the covies didn't glass so why wasn't he roasted and why were the covies still deploying ground troops to that location?

12. If the Sabres were so powerful why didn't the unsc just use them at the start of the battle instead of waiting until the covies had them be the balls?

13. The unsc appeared as if they were getting walked all over when in the book they really put a hurting on the covies.

Tha's all i can think of but there are plenty more.



  • 12.17.2010 1:16 PM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
Hmm... well I respectfully disagree. Vast numbers of super weapons that can instantly destroy ships, gut ground based armies and raze cities mean that you can't just hunker down and hide. They will still reach you.

The time frame would only make sense if the Covenant fleet was much smaller and that the UNSC fleet was still in some form still holding back the Covenant ships. Without space support any ground based defense is doomed.

With power like the Covenant has it really should be like shooting fish in a barrel. Like in the book.


Then it seems we are at an impass and can only agree to disagree.

  • 12.17.2010 1:20 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
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All the events up to August 30 were caused by a pre-invasion fleet that got ahead of the main fleet.


According to Reach, the official invasion started on August...14th wasn't it?

Regardless, the UNSC didn't expect the Covenant at Reach, AT ALL, on August 30th. It was a complete surprise. Yet, in the game the Covenant had been on Reach for more than a month!
I was pretty sure ONI kept the fact that the covenant were at Reach, on the down low. And then on the 30th the big kahunas came and they couldn't really hide too much.

Seeing as the covenant hadn't really sent in a small strike team before/were clearly after something specific on Reach. (In a location with a comms array disabled, riddled with disgruntled gun toting farmers) So since this was new for ONI, it was in a rather dissociated location, and they wanted to scope/snuff those bros out before the hype/hysteria got going......so they could they could do what they do and be all secret.

Ya dig? yo

  • 12.17.2010 1:42 PM PDT


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1. Apparently Master chief was still training with cortana in some mountain base while the planet was already under siege for weeks.

2. The POA isn't rated for atmosphere so it could never land on the planet.

3. Brutes never took part in this battle.

4. Zealot Elites are field commanders, not spec ops commandos who sneak onto planets looking for artifacts.

5. How exactly did a city sized supercarrier "sneak" onto the planet? I don't buy the whole cloaking excuse because it's not like the cloaking devices were already on the planet, so the ship couldn't have been cloaked when it arrived at the planet.

6. Where were the 100 unsc ships that were supposed to be in orbit around the planet at all times? I saw like 3 or 4 and that's it.

7. What was stopping said fleet from gutting that supercarrier as soon as it de-cloaked? Or the orbital MACs?

8. Why would the covies bother invading New Alexandria when their ships overhead could just glass it? Not to mention there was nothing of value in the city.

9. In tip of the spear why launch a ground assualt that revolves around charging straight at the enemy? This isn't the revolutionary war.

10. Why was there a piece of cortana not with the chief?

11. The last level after the credits Noble 6 was nowhere near castle base, the only spot the covies didn't glass so why wasn't he roasted and why were the covies still deploying ground troops to that location?

12. If the Sabres were so powerful why didn't the unsc just use them at the start of the battle instead of waiting until the covies had them be the balls?

13. The unsc appeared as if they were getting walked all over when in the book they really put a hurting on the covies.

Tha's all i can think of but there are plenty more.





1. I am guessing that they have moved the date of the Mark V field testing further back, and Noble has Mark V too, so I think it is safest to say that the field testing date has been pushed back.

2. Obviously it can land, 'cause it did, and did you not see the thrusters attached to its sides? Those were helping it get off the ground.

3. Bungie retconned the fact that Elites hadn't been seen before Reach, obviously they retconned the fact that Brutes weren't there either, and you didn't see all that many of them. There were a lot more of the Elites, so obviously the Brutes had a minor role in the battle.

4. Obviously they serve more than one purpose, just because Humanity has only seen Zealots in commanding positions does not mean that they only serve as commanders.

5. As far as I know we don't have answer for that yet, but I do not expect it to go unanswered. And anyway, it was in the middle of nowhere and there weren't any SMACs or a lot of ships nearby, I think it could have slipped down undetected.

6. Bungie stated before the game even came out that Reach is not taking part in the area of Reach we saw in the book, so that's my response for why we didn't see many ships, and again, most of the game takes place out in rural farmer land, not the main military centers.

7. See above point

8. I'd assume it'd be to try get something of importance there, or to try and capture NAV data or other helpful information.

9. Armies still charge each others positions like in old wars, but when the situation calls for it, it's not like old wars where they only stood and shot each other, sometimes a head on assault is the only viable option, or is just the best option.

10. Because Halsey had the fragment studying the Forerunner artifact under Sword Base, did you pay attention to the game at all?

11. Glassing a planet takes time, and it looked to me like Lone Wolf is taking place almost directly after the last level ends, and you destroyed the only cruiser in the immediate area so the Autumn could get away.

12. Sabres didn't seem all that powerful to me, only a little better than a Longsword. And I would assume they weren't used because they weren't ordered to be put to use until Operation Uppercut.

13. Of course it seemed that way, you're fighting a losing battle, and I didn't feel like I was losing until Exodus, that's when it felt depressing and like "oh -blam!- we're all going to die".

Honestly I think you're reading way too much into this and finding some "errors" where there are none.

  • 12.17.2010 2:14 PM PDT

Wow, a second ninja, I'm surprised my humble little thread has attracted their notice.

That's pretty much along the lines of what I've been thinking this whole time. I don't know whether you'll be coming back or not, but what about the fleet that arrives on the 14th? What would you classify that as?

  • 12.17.2010 7:26 PM PDT

alright everyone bungie knows the halo universe better than you. it did no destroy canon

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alright everyone bungie knows the halo universe better than you. it did no destroy canon


I think you meant " it didn't destroy canon" and yea it did.

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Posted by: elsnben
alright everyone bungie knows the halo universe better than you. it did no destroy canon


I think you meant " it didn't destroy canon" and yea it did.

Actually, after long deliberation, I've come to the conclusion that Halo canon is not, in fact, destroyed. Bent and damaged severely, perhaps, but not utterly annihilated. With suspension of disbelief, the canon can still be intact. However, Halo: Reach's campaign simply sucks and should not have been named Halo Reach. It should have been called Halo: Noble Team and introduced in a comic or something, because everything it told is really unnecessary.

  • 01.01.2011 1:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: DecepticonCobra

We are all going to get banned aren't we?


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Posted by: grey101

Posted by: elsnben
alright everyone bungie knows the halo universe better than you. it did no destroy canon


I think you meant " it didn't destroy canon" and yea it did.

Actually, after long deliberation, I've come to the conclusion that Halo canon is not, in fact, destroyed. Bent and damaged severely, perhaps, but not utterly annihilated. With suspension of disbelief, the canon can still be intact. However, Halo: Reach's campaign simply sucks and should not have been named Halo Reach. It should have been called Halo: Noble Team and introduced in a comic or something, because everything it told is really unnecessary.


Thier origins weren't explained ether...

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Posted by: elsnben
alright everyone bungie knows the halo universe better than you. it did no destroy canon


I think you meant " it didn't destroy canon" and yea it did.

Actually, after long deliberation, I've come to the conclusion that Halo canon is not, in fact, destroyed. Bent and damaged severely, perhaps, but not utterly annihilated. With suspension of disbelief, the canon can still be intact. However, Halo: Reach's campaign simply sucks and should not have been named Halo Reach. It should have been called Halo: Noble Team and introduced in a comic or something, because everything it told is really unnecessary.


Thier origins weren't explained ether...

The origins of Noble team is one of the more insignificant problems, and there has been enough speculations on it as well. What is more important is why, since the battle lasted nearly a month, were the covenant and humans so grossly incompetent all of the sudden?

  • 01.01.2011 2:03 PM PDT

I seem to recall reading a something about the game being a visual recreation of events played from the perspective of Noble 6.

Perhaps the dates in the game are off because ONI themselves did something to them, as a cover up or general mistake?

Just an idea.

  • 01.01.2011 2:22 PM PDT

wait..... It didnt?

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Posted by: privet caboose
Reach did break canon.

Infact, it breaks canon within the first 5 minutes of the game. Reach fell on August 30th. That's the day the Covenant found Reach, and decimated the UNSC Fleet. All in one day.

The game says that the UNSC lost in over a months time. And without the UNSC even putting up a real fight. It was as if Reach was some random farmer colony.


The Covenant decimated the UNSC fleet and got their forces on Reach's surface in one day. And how could the UNSC defend Reach for about a month without putting up a fight? If they did lose in one day, wouldn't that mean they never put up a real fight? If Reach did in fact fall in one day, then there wouldn't have been ANY possible chance for the UNSC to win the war, not even with Maser Chief.

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