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Subject: Halo Reach Did not Destroy the Canon


Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: ArtooFeva
If that book were followed to the letter, then there would be no others. I have read the book and it would have ruined any chance of making good games. Halo Reach would have been a horribly dull game. Plus, Halo Reach wasn't the first thing to retcon the book. Halo Wars did, Halo Contact Harvest did and Halo Reach was just latest in the pile. I'd prefer not to follow that book thank you.
Thank you, good sir.

I will add to this, by saying that of all the Halo books, Fall of Reach has the most mistakes, inconsistencies and typos. Do I trust it? Hell no. They couldn't even fix their blam with the reprint.

It's a great story, but it ain't no canon masterpiece.
thing is the fall of reach is still considered canon be it having alot of inconsitencies it is still canon, what most are whinging about is events and certain characters (S3 with S2) and not caring on what other forms of media have said that cover it all up.

"Spartan 3s wernt on reach"- Explained


"halsey didnt know about S3 till first strike"- explained

"why didnt we know of the covenant if they came sooner?"-explained

everyone is just finding something to complain about even though it was and has been Explained other than the POA on reach which you could use a time frame of it going to reach after read teams drop off and chiefs extraction,

but nope their just whining and nitpicking :/

[Edited on 01.07.2011 5:00 AM PST]

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Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: ArtooFeva
If that book were followed to the letter, then there would be no others. I have read the book and it would have ruined any chance of making good games. Halo Reach would have been a horribly dull game. Plus, Halo Reach wasn't the first thing to retcon the book. Halo Wars did, Halo Contact Harvest did and Halo Reach was just latest in the pile. I'd prefer not to follow that book thank you.
Thank you, good sir.

I will add to this, by saying that of all the Halo books, Fall of Reach has the most mistakes, inconsistencies and typos. Do I trust it? Hell no. They couldn't even fix their blam with the reprint.

It's a great story, but it ain't no canon masterpiece.
thing is the fall of reach is still considered canon be it having alot of inconsitencies it is still canon, what most are whinging about is events and certain characters (S3 with S2) and not caring on what other forms of media have said that cover it all up.

"Spartan 3s wernt on reach"- Explained


"halsey didnt know about S3 till first strike"- explained

"why didnt we know of the covenant if they came sooner?"-explained

everyone is just finding something to complain about even though it was and has been Explained other than the POA on reach which you could use a time frame of it going to reach after read teams drop off and chiefs extraction,

but nope their just whining and nitpicking :/


They didn't need to follow TFoR to the letter...how hard would it have been to just make it so that the story FITS with the story in TFoR? Give me a week and I'll be able to write up a story that doesn't contradict canon and yet is way better (IMO) TFOR was the first novel written and released-prior to CE btw-so it was bound to have inconsistencies, but those are generally little things. What Reach did changes an entire section of things. It's called the butterfly effect, and this is directed right at you, Alf Stewart. Think about what the seemingly "insignificant" changes made to the events mean. Not just the surface, but rather if that change was made, what others would have had to been made, etc.

Ps. Halo Reach's story sucks no matter how you look at it.


  • 01.07.2011 9:33 AM PDT


Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: ArtooFeva
If that book were followed to the letter, then there would be no others. I have read the book and it would have ruined any chance of making good games. Halo Reach would have been a horribly dull game. Plus, Halo Reach wasn't the first thing to retcon the book. Halo Wars did, Halo Contact Harvest did and Halo Reach was just latest in the pile. I'd prefer not to follow that book thank you.
Thank you, good sir.

I will add to this, by saying that of all the Halo books, Fall of Reach has the most mistakes, inconsistencies and typos. Do I trust it? Hell no. They couldn't even fix their blam with the reprint.

It's a great story, but it ain't no canon masterpiece.
thing is the fall of reach is still considered canon be it having alot of inconsitencies it is still canon, what most are whinging about is events and certain characters (S3 with S2) and not caring on what other forms of media have said that cover it all up.

"Spartan 3s wernt on reach"- Explained


"halsey didnt know about S3 till first strike"- explained

"why didnt we know of the covenant if they came sooner?"-explained

everyone is just finding something to complain about even though it was and has been Explained other than the POA on reach which you could use a time frame of it going to reach after read teams drop off and chiefs extraction,

but nope their just whining and nitpicking :/


They didn't need to follow TFoR to the letter...how hard would it have been to just make it so that the story FITS with the story in TFoR? Give me a week and I'll be able to write up a story that doesn't contradict canon and yet is way better (IMO) TFOR was the first novel written and released-prior to CE btw-so it was bound to have inconsistencies, but those are generally little things. What Reach did changes an entire section of things. It's called the butterfly effect, and this is directed right at you, Alf Stewart. Think about what the seemingly "insignificant" changes made to the events mean. Not just the surface, but rather if that change was made, what others would have had to been made, etc.

Ps. Halo Reach's story sucks no matter how you look at it.


you saying elites being only at reach and first seen and fought at reach a small inconsistencie :S

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Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: ArtooFeva
If that book were followed to the letter, then there would be no others. I have read the book and it would have ruined any chance of making good games. Halo Reach would have been a horribly dull game. Plus, Halo Reach wasn't the first thing to retcon the book. Halo Wars did, Halo Contact Harvest did and Halo Reach was just latest in the pile. I'd prefer not to follow that book thank you.
Thank you, good sir.

I will add to this, by saying that of all the Halo books, Fall of Reach has the most mistakes, inconsistencies and typos. Do I trust it? Hell no. They couldn't even fix their blam with the reprint.

It's a great story, but it ain't no canon masterpiece.
thing is the fall of reach is still considered canon be it having alot of inconsitencies it is still canon, what most are whinging about is events and certain characters (S3 with S2) and not caring on what other forms of media have said that cover it all up.

"Spartan 3s wernt on reach"- Explained


"halsey didnt know about S3 till first strike"- explained

"why didnt we know of the covenant if they came sooner?"-explained

everyone is just finding something to complain about even though it was and has been Explained other than the POA on reach which you could use a time frame of it going to reach after read teams drop off and chiefs extraction,

but nope their just whining and nitpicking :/


They didn't need to follow TFoR to the letter...how hard would it have been to just make it so that the story FITS with the story in TFoR? Give me a week and I'll be able to write up a story that doesn't contradict canon and yet is way better (IMO) TFOR was the first novel written and released-prior to CE btw-so it was bound to have inconsistencies, but those are generally little things. What Reach did changes an entire section of things. It's called the butterfly effect, and this is directed right at you, Alf Stewart. Think about what the seemingly "insignificant" changes made to the events mean. Not just the surface, but rather if that change was made, what others would have had to been made, etc.

Ps. Halo Reach's story sucks no matter how you look at it.


you saying elites being only at reach and first seen and fought at reach a small inconsistencie :S

Erm, actually, that is pretty insignificant. Nylund obviously took creative license with that, so we can ignore that, but the point is that this kind of mistakes can easily be thought through logically as soon as people realized it's inconsistent, but even that didn't come until much later.

TFoR was the first ever canonical Halo info released, so to be honest there ARE some parts that do require to be fixed up, but when they are fixed up, it should be done so with logical new info. What Halo: Reach did failed this test.

  • 01.07.2011 6:33 PM PDT



Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: ZedFish
Posted by: ArtooFeva
If that book were followed to the letter, then there would be no others. I have read the book and it would have ruined any chance of making good games. Halo Reach would have been a horribly dull game. Plus, Halo Reach wasn't the first thing to retcon the book. Halo Wars did, Halo Contact Harvest did and Halo Reach was just latest in the pile. I'd prefer not to follow that book thank you.[/quote]Thank you, good sir.

I will add to this, by saying that of all the Halo books, Fall of Reach has the most mistakes, inconsistencies and typos. Do I trust it? Hell no. They couldn't even fix their blam with the reprint.

It's a great story, but it ain't no canon masterpiece.
thing is the fall of reach is still considered canon be it having alot of inconsitencies it is still canon, what most are whinging about is events and certain characters (S3 with S2) and not caring on what other forms of media have said that cover it all up.

"Spartan 3s wernt on reach"- Explained


"halsey didnt know about S3 till first strike"- explained

"why didnt we know of the covenant if they came sooner?"-explained

everyone is just finding something to complain about even though it was and has been Explained other than the POA on reach which you could use a time frame of it going to reach after read teams drop off and chiefs extraction,

but nope their just whining and nitpicking :/


They didn't need to follow TFoR to the letter...how hard would it have been to just make it so that the story FITS with the story in TFoR? Give me a week and I'll be able to write up a story that doesn't contradict canon and yet is way better (IMO) TFOR was the first novel written and released-prior to CE btw-so it was bound to have inconsistencies, but those are generally little things. What Reach did changes an entire section of things. It's called the butterfly effect, and this is directed right at you, Alf Stewart. Think about what the seemingly "insignificant" changes made to the events mean. Not just the surface, but rather if that change was made, what others would have had to been made, etc.

Ps. Halo Reach's story sucks no matter how you look at it.


you saying elites being only at reach and first seen and fought at reach a small inconsistencie :S

Erm, actually, that is pretty insignificant. Nylund obviously took creative license with that, so we can ignore that, but the point is that this kind of mistakes can easily be thought through logically as soon as people realized it's inconsistent, but even that didn't come until much later.

TFoR was the first ever canonical Halo info released, so to be honest there ARE some parts that do require to be fixed up, but when they are fixed up, it should be done so with logical new info. What Halo: Reach did failed this test.
Alright shoot with this non logical info Halo reach had

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Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Pipboy 3050
Posted by: privet caboose
Reach did break canon.

Infact, it breaks canon within the first 5 minutes of the game. Reach fell on August 30th. That's the day the Covenant found Reach, and decimated the UNSC Fleet. All in one day.

The game says that the UNSC lost in over a months time. And without the UNSC even putting up a real fight. It was as if Reach was some random farmer colony.


Oh dear caboose.
Why cant you accept that the story could have just Re-conned?


The word you're looking for is retconned. And you've just said it, Reach was simply a massive retcon. You know why things get retconned? Because they contradict canon, the game contradicts canon, it is a retcon over the books.

And anyone with the slightest care for Halo canon shouldn't have to accept a giant middle finger at a decade's worth of work.


I don't see a problem with retconning over the books. Only because Marvel/DC have retconned their works numerous times to make current storylines work. THat may have simply been the case here.

  • 01.07.2011 8:45 PM PDT

I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry!

And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.

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Posted by: GrnDragn
I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry!

And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.

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[Edited on 01.19.2011 8:48 PM PST]

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Posted by: GrnDragn
I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry!

And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.

The Fall of Reach was not released until after Halo: Combat Evolved.

What are you talking about?

It was before, though not by much. TFoR came out on October 30th, 2001, Halo CE came out on November 15th, 2001.

  • 01.19.2011 8:36 PM PDT


Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: GrnDragn
I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry!

And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.

The Fall of Reach was not released until after Halo: Combat Evolved.

What are you talking about?


Hello there, welcome to the battlefront, my friend, here's a flame retardant suit.

To GrnDragn:
I would assume that the Halo story was not very well developed when TFoR came out and that Nylund had to take many creative liberties with the duration of events and the dates of events as well as sequence, and that they have since been retconned in Bungie's own sources (aka Halo Story Bible) as they've shaped their universe.

And we are now seeing what Bungie says happened, and rather than just "saying to heck with the fanbase let's do whatever the -blam!- we want" they take the already existing story and move events and dates around or extend some to fit their story. And a lot of TFoR has been rendered inconsistent with other media in the Haloverse.

Contrary to what some are claiming TFoR is the only book affected by Reach. First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx are not affected by it in any way that negatively affects their whole story.

  • 01.19.2011 8:43 PM PDT

Anti-Teabag self-destruct mechanisms ftw

I agree with op,

The pillar could have landed after the flagship pealed its armor off in the book, I mean, after all it does look pretty intact when we see it leave for halo.

Cortana can clone parts of herself for whatever purposes, like downloading stuff.

Any mac platforms could have easily been moving around preparing for stages of attack in certain areas, perhaps the covenant landed in a location strategically away from the guns or their generators JUST for a foothold on the ground.

I don't get how Jorge screwed anything up, he was just a spartan who probably got ONI'd onto a special deployment like , I think, Fred in the GoO book.

  • 01.19.2011 8:44 PM PDT


Posted by: no name12222235
I agree with op,

The pillar could have landed after the flagship pealed its armor off in the book, I mean, after all it does look pretty intact when we see it leave for halo.

Cortana can clone parts of herself for whatever purposes, like downloading stuff.

Any mac platforms could have easily been moving around preparing for stages of attack in certain areas, perhaps the covenant landed in a location strategically away from the guns or their generators JUST for a foothold on the ground.

I don't get how Jorge screwed anything up, he was just a spartan who probably got ONI'd onto a special deployment like , I think, Fred in the GoO book.


Thank you :) nice to know I'm not the only one who doesn't think everything is blown to pieces and ruined storywise.

Exactly, the Covenant seemed to have landed pretty much in the middle of hick-ville for Reach, and also Reach doesn't have many SMACS to begin with, I doubt there would be very many, if any at all, out there in that particular area.

It was Kurt who they did that to in GoO, but yeah, same idea.

  • 01.19.2011 8:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: C0MIC RELIEF

Posted by: GrnDragn
I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry!

And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.

The Fall of Reach was not released until after Halo: Combat Evolved.

What are you talking about?


Hello there, welcome to the battlefront, my friend, here's a flame retardant suit.

To GrnDragn:
I would assume that the Halo story was not very well developed when TFoR came out and that Nylund had to take many creative liberties with the duration of events and the dates of events as well as sequence, and that they have since been retconned in Bungie's own sources (aka Halo Story Bible) as they've shaped their universe.

And we are now seeing what Bungie says happened, and rather than just "saying to heck with the fanbase let's do whatever the -blam!- we want" they take the already existing story and move events and dates around or extend some to fit their story. And a lot of TFoR has been rendered inconsistent with other media in the Haloverse.

Contrary to what some are claiming TFoR is the only book affected by Reach. First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx are not affected by it in any way that negatively affects their whole story.

After all this time, I don't know if that's ignorance or pure stubbornness that makes you say that. As I've said a long time ago and still hold to this day, what's important is the fact that Bungie changed certain facts that would have a domino effect on media written about and surrounding the entire events of the fall of Reach, though I will admit TFoR is the only novel to be heavily impacted. Btw, Nylund HAD the Halo Bible when he was writing it, and supposedly only had to make minor adjustments to fit the story with the game.

Sure, Bungie can do whatever they want with "their" story, but it doesn't mean that it will make it better. Nylund was a better writer for the series than they are.

And I should make clear; the canon is not shattered, only stretched and bent. The quality of the story, however, went down the drains with Halo Reach. Maybe the upcoming Halo media will revive it, but Reach was just disappointing.

[Edited on 01.19.2011 8:58 PM PST]

  • 01.19.2011 8:56 PM PDT

I think this guy provides a nice succinct accounting of the canon:

http://boards.ign.com/halo/b5240/196236159/p1/?14


It's kind of a shame that they had to create Halsey's diary to explain away all of the conflicts, but at least somebody was thinking about it.

  • 01.19.2011 10:06 PM PDT

All that was missing from it, well... for me, was an Epic Scarab battle. I always loved those in Halo 3 & ODST.

  • 01.19.2011 10:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: I_olanmills_I
I think this guy provides a nice succinct accounting of the canon:

http://boards.ign.com/halo/b5240/196236159/p1/?14


It's kind of a shame that they had to create Halsey's diary to explain away all of the conflicts, but at least somebody was thinking about it.


I've actually read that, to be honest, it didn't help that much, since all it did was place the events in order of how it may have happened if we were to change the dates of the events. Didn't really explain the whys and hows, which is the more important part in my opinion.

As well, some of the events he put out are kind of stretching it...doesn't make much sense if you think about it.

[Edited on 01.19.2011 10:44 PM PST]

  • 01.19.2011 10:41 PM PDT

I keep seeing posts about how the novel The Fall of Reach is the worst novel, filled with typos and inconsistencies.

Pretty sure that's going to be guaranteed if a writer only has a few weeks for it. I remember seeing an interview with Nylund somewhere, and he said he only had 6-10(bit fuzzy here) weeks to write the novel, as it had to be released before CE.

As for inconsistencies, that's a given in any novel or game. Same with the Star Wars EU. However, small inconsistencies are no excuse for completely rewriting a section of events in a timeline that are already established.


Again, this entire thing brings me back to the whole "Time Travel Theory" debacle before release. People came up with all these wild ideas, entirely ignoring the whole "simplest explanation is usually correct" philosophy. That is what we've been trying to do with the game's problems. We sit back, identify what is wrong, and look for the most likely explanation. This does not have to be bashing the game, nor does it have to be defending it. It is in light of the entire universe, regardless of what the creator wants to retcon.

  • 01.19.2011 11:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: GrnDragn
I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry!

And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.[/quote]
The Fall of Reach was not released until after Halo: Combat Evolved.

What are you talking about?[/quote]

Hello there, welcome to the battlefront, my friend, here's a flame retardant suit.

To GrnDragn:
I would assume that the Halo story was not very well developed when TFoR came out and that Nylund had to take many creative liberties with the duration of events and the dates of events as well as sequence, and that they have since been retconned in Bungie's own sources (aka Halo Story Bible) as they've shaped their universe.

And we are now seeing what Bungie says happened, and rather than just "saying to heck with the fanbase let's do whatever the -blam!- we want" they take the already existing story and move events and dates around or extend some to fit their story. And a lot of TFoR has been rendered inconsistent with other media in the Haloverse.

Contrary to what some are claiming TFoR is the only book affected by Reach. First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx are not affected by it in any way that negatively affects their whole story.


How can you say TFOR was the ONLY book affected?

When Master Chief returned to Reach in First Strike, he met the surviving spartan 2's of that battle. The battle was heavily mentioned in that book.

The survival of those spartans, and where they were, all happened because of many events in TFOR, that now seem to be non-canon. Some of these spartan 2's also show up in GoO.

Its the butterfly effect.

It's like bungie went back in time in the haloverse and changed events, you can't just expect those events to change and not anything else. Those changed events will affect a new changed future.

In this new future Hasley may never even go to Onyx, for there were many events that built up to that moment, ones built on each other. Certain events she participated in the book TFOR, seem to have become non-canon. Originally those events affect her events in First Strike and GoO (originally Hasley knew nothing about the spartan 3's during the fall of reach). Also in the new timeline a spartan 3 has survived, named jun. So think how this will affect the new future with Hasley's early knowledge of the Spartan 3 project as well as another spartan.

By having the battle of reach for more then 1 day is a HUGE problem, including the PoA being on Reach.

Think of Halo canon has a building under construction. Level's are built on previous levels, each affecting each other. Bungie has removed some of the original levels to that building.



  • 01.20.2011 1:17 AM PDT


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Posted by: GrnDragn
I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry!

And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.[/quote]
The Fall of Reach was not released until after Halo: Combat Evolved.

What are you talking about?[/quote]

Hello there, welcome to the battlefront, my friend, here's a flame retardant suit.

To GrnDragn:
I would assume that the Halo story was not very well developed when TFoR came out and that Nylund had to take many creative liberties with the duration of events and the dates of events as well as sequence, and that they have since been retconned in Bungie's own sources (aka Halo Story Bible) as they've shaped their universe.

And we are now seeing what Bungie says happened, and rather than just "saying to heck with the fanbase let's do whatever the -blam!- we want" they take the already existing story and move events and dates around or extend some to fit their story. And a lot of TFoR has been rendered inconsistent with other media in the Haloverse.

Contrary to what some are claiming TFoR is the only book affected by Reach. First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx are not affected by it in any way that negatively affects their whole story.


How can you say TFOR was the ONLY book affected?

When Master Chief returned to Reach in First Strike, he met the surviving spartan 2's of that battle. The battle was heavily mentioned in that book.

The survival of those spartans, and where they were, all happened because of many events in TFOR, that now seem to be non-canon. Some of these spartan 2's also show up in GoO.

Its the butterfly effect.

It's like bungie went back in time in the haloverse and changed events, you can't just expect those events to change and not anything else. Those changed events will affect a new changed future.

In this new future Hasley may never even go to Onyx, for there were many events that built up to that moment, ones built on each other. Certain events she participated in the book TFOR, seem to have become non-canon. Originally those events affect her events in First Strike and GoO (originally Hasley knew nothing about the spartan 3's during the fall of reach). Also in the new timeline a spartan 3 has survived, named jun. So think how this will affect the new future with Hasley's early knowledge of the Spartan 3 project as well as another spartan.

By having the battle of reach for more then 1 day is a HUGE problem, including the PoA being on Reach.

Think of Halo canon has a building under construction. Level's are built on previous levels, each affecting each other. Bungie has removed some of the original levels to that building.



bunge only redid repolished and Connected levels to fit it's been said a many times how it all fits and now people are just being to nitpicky

  • 01.20.2011 5:16 AM PDT

Vengeance only leads to an ongoing cycle of hatred.

Half of the members from Noble Team (The ones with the letter 'B' before their numbers) were part of Beta Company and shouldn't even be alive because, aside from Tom and Lucy, all of Beta Company died.

  • 01.20.2011 9:21 AM PDT

Halo Reach destroyed the canon in the Fall of Reach and First Strike there is no way to argue around it, REach fell in one day by a surprise covenant attack, The POA was in about to enter slipsapce or had just entered and was traveling away from reach after being refitted in an orbital shipyard before it was recalled to action and destroyed a few covenant ships before deploy almost all the spartan II's to defend the SMAC generators and John, Linda and james went to destroy the NAV core of another ship. After John returned to The POA, reach was beging to fall and Keyes initiated the Cole Protocol and cortana set co-ordinates for something that she had discovered from research the signal and rocks found on SO IV, she had no idea what it was at all. Reach fell within a few days and the remainin spartans headed to castle base and met up with halsey.

  • 01.20.2011 12:28 PM PDT
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Dr. Halsey didn't find out about the Spartan III project until during Halo 2 while master chief discovered the Delta Halo.

That doesn't mean that the Spartan III's weren't on Reach (unlikely) but she didn't know about them. Also, the Pillar of Autumn was not grounded on Reach during the attack.

I think there were some NEEDED twists to make the game.

On that note, the game is not 100% cannon

  • 01.20.2011 1:13 PM PDT


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Posted by: GrnDragn
I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry!

And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.[/quote]
The Fall of Reach was not released until after Halo: Combat Evolved.

What are you talking about?[/quote]

Hello there, welcome to the battlefront, my friend, here's a flame retardant suit.

To GrnDragn:
I would assume that the Halo story was not very well developed when TFoR came out and that Nylund had to take many creative liberties with the duration of events and the dates of events as well as sequence, and that they have since been retconned in Bungie's own sources (aka Halo Story Bible) as they've shaped their universe.

And we are now seeing what Bungie says happened, and rather than just "saying to heck with the fanbase let's do whatever the -blam!- we want" they take the already existing story and move events and dates around or extend some to fit their story. And a lot of TFoR has been rendered inconsistent with other media in the Haloverse.

Contrary to what some are claiming TFoR is the only book affected by Reach. First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx are not affected by it in any way that negatively affects their whole story.


How can you say TFOR was the ONLY book affected?

When Master Chief returned to Reach in First Strike, he met the surviving spartan 2's of that battle. The battle was heavily mentioned in that book.

The survival of those spartans, and where they were, all happened because of many events in TFOR, that now seem to be non-canon. Some of these spartan 2's also show up in GoO.

Its the butterfly effect.

It's like bungie went back in time in the haloverse and changed events, you can't just expect those events to change and not anything else. Those changed events will affect a new changed future.

In this new future Hasley may never even go to Onyx, for there were many events that built up to that moment, ones built on each other. Certain events she participated in the book TFOR, seem to have become non-canon. Originally those events affect her events in First Strike and GoO (originally Hasley knew nothing about the spartan 3's during the fall of reach). Also in the new timeline a spartan 3 has survived, named jun. So think how this will affect the new future with Hasley's early knowledge of the Spartan 3 project as well as another spartan.

By having the battle of reach for more then 1 day is a HUGE problem, including the PoA being on Reach.

Think of Halo canon has a building under construction. Level's are built on previous levels, each affecting each other. Bungie has removed some of the original levels to that building.



bunge only redid repolished and Connected levels to fit it's been said a many times how it all fits and now people are just being to nitpicky


It still doesn't fit the original Canon! Honestly, are you so blinded by Bungie that you can't see that?

In the first 5 minutes of the game, the Canon was bent to all-hell. As the game progressed, it became worse and worse!

  • 01.20.2011 1:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: SEAL Sniper 9
Half of the members from Noble Team (The ones with the letter 'B' before their numbers) were part of Beta Company and shouldn't even be alive because, aside from Tom and Lucy, all of Beta Company died.


Not everyone participated in Operation: Torpedo.

  • 01.20.2011 1:59 PM PDT

Lets Boogie

Bungie lied when they said canon was not changed with halo reach (said somewhere in an interview i think).

  • 01.20.2011 4:33 PM PDT