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Posted by: OrderedComa
Posted by: GrnDragn
I don't know why we are debating this. Bungie did screw up the Canon. There are no "buts" about it. You Bungie fanboys will do anything to defend Bungie. This is blind zealotry!
And to all the people who debunk "The Fall of Reach" Novel, just be quiet. TFoR came out even before Combat Evolved! It is the first source of Halo Canon. Are there inconsistencies? Yes, but these can be fixed. Halo: Reach... I don't know.[/quote]
Posted By: C0mic Relief
The Fall of Reach was not released until after Halo: Combat Evolved.
What are you talking about?[/quote]
Posted By: OrderedComa
Hello there, welcome to the battlefront, my friend, here's a flame retardant suit.
To GrnDragn:
I would assume that the Halo story was not very well developed when TFoR came out and that Nylund had to take many creative liberties with the duration of events and the dates of events as well as sequence, and that they have since been retconned in Bungie's own sources (aka Halo Story Bible) as they've shaped their universe.
And we are now seeing what Bungie says happened, and rather than just "saying to heck with the fanbase let's do whatever the -blam!- we want" they take the already existing story and move events and dates around or extend some to fit their story. And a lot of TFoR has been rendered inconsistent with other media in the Haloverse.
Contrary to what some are claiming TFoR is the only book affected by Reach. First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx are not affected by it in any way that negatively affects their whole story.
After all this time, I don't know if that's ignorance or pure stubbornness that makes you say that. As I've said a long time ago and still hold to this day, what's important is the fact that Bungie changed certain facts that would have a domino effect on media written about and surrounding the entire events of the fall of Reach, though I will admit TFoR is the only novel to be heavily impacted. Btw, Nylund HAD the Halo Bible when he was writing it, and supposedly only had to make minor adjustments to fit the story with the game.
Sure, Bungie can do whatever they want with "their" story, but it doesn't mean that it will make it better. Nylund was a better writer for the series than they are.
And I should make clear; the canon is not shattered, only stretched and bent. The quality of the story, however, went down the drains with Halo Reach. Maybe the upcoming Halo media will revive it, but Reach was just disappointing.
Well I know I am not ignorant, though you can feel free to think what you want :P So I would have to say I am stubborn, which I actually am, and determined to not just sit around and start finding fault with every single little detail of the game because it changed the timeline around. How would it affect anything other than TFoR? As far as I've found in my readings of the Halo universe TFoR would be the only media affected by the changes in timeline, as everything else happens after the 30th or on that specific day.
I would definitely not say he is a better writer of the story than Bungie, especially since I've never read any sort of writing by them. And writing for video games and books are completely different, you can't really compare them. And besides, I would take anything stated by Bungie in any media relating to them over any information stated by an author in one of the books, seeing as Bungie would know their own story better than someone else.
I agree, it has been stretched, and hence evolved into something else, whether the new is better or not is a matter of opinion. I personally think the new is much better than what was, and I certainly don't think that Reach has brought the quality of Halo down at all. Maybe it seems a little bit forced and suffers slightly in that regard as Bungie has said they're tired of making only Halo.
Just because they were tired of Halo, doesn't mean that they had to destroy/bend the Canon to the extreme. And I think you will find that many don't like how Canon was changed, and if Bungie had such great writers, they sure as hell didn't show it. And whether you think it does or it doesn't, it does send ripple effects to the other books. It's not just Fall of Reach that will be affected.
Eric Nylund was hired by Bungie to make the Fall of Reach in the first place. So I think he deserves some credibility.
Reach felt like a random, backwater farming colony with a few frigates and a random Spartan III team shoved in there for the hell of it. I think Eric Nylund did a much better job at creating a story than Bungie did with creating Reach.
I never said anything about them being tired of Halo being the reason they messed with the way events were before. What I said was the only way it suffered in quality was because it was rushed and they weren't putting their heart into like with the last games because they were tired of working on Halo.
I just said video games and books are complete different styles, you simply can't compare them in any affective way without sounding dumb. If you are so convinced that the other books, and not just TFoR, are direly affected by Halo: Reach, then please explain your line of reasoning.
And Nylund was not explicitly hired by Bungie, what I've seen has indicated that Nylund came to Microsoft asking to write a book for Halo.
That's what the book is for, Bungie did not need to show the full extent of Reach's might because of the book. And they clearly stated in interviews before the game even came out that none of the game would be taking place in areas near the settings of the book.
Bungie has also stated multiple times that both the Books and the Games have the same level of Canon and coincide with eachother. The game does not coincide with the book. However, it seems that you will stretch the truth so long as it means the defense of your precious Hslo: Reach.
The book stated that the battle lasted a day. There were no Covenant on Reach before that. A lot of the UNSC fleet was away from Reach in the game and the SMACS seemed to be a one-time thing. In the book, Reach was heavily fortified.
And about the game affecting other books, there have been many logical posts stating how Reach can/will effect First Strike and Ghost of Onyx. You seemed to have ignored these.
I won't keep typing up these posts. Because I don't really like doing it on my iPod.