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[bPosted By:[/b] privet caboose
...There was hundreds of ships there on the 12th. And no, it wasn't a secret. The covenant were invading CITIES and glassing the planet as early as August 18th(When New Alexandria was invaded.) There was no secrecy anymore when millions of people are being killed on the military homeworld. People in that city, and other cities had to of been addressed by the UNSC. And Spartans were deployed (Red Team included) on August 23rd. This is according to Jun who says "Gauntlet, Red, and Echo teams" To which Kate replies "what are spartans doing in defensive positions." Red's involvement(and changes to their story in first strike) are later seen via the radio's found on the multiplayer and firefight levels. One says, "You ever seen 11 spartans take on wraiths?" Beta company was said to have 11 spartans.
There were not hundreds of ships there on the 12th, we never see hundreds of ships until the cutscene after the Long Night of Solace is destroyed the Fleet of Particular Justice warps in. And up until Long Night of Solace decloaked and started launching forces and reigning death down everywhere the invasion probably was kept secret, if they were even trying to.
Has it been stated by Bungie, or someone else in the know, that it's the Red Team being referred to in that cutscene? Or is everyone just assuming?
That's such a huge insult to captain Keyes. You can never try and justify Keyes picking Spartan II's off the ground(since they were fighting as early as the 23rd) then sending them all back down to the planet in a pelican through a huge force that they would never survive through, and then land the damn ship on the planet hours later when he could've saved 22 spartan lives by just landing with them. It doesn't make ANY sense at all. The Space op never happened, because the pillar didn't leave the dock until Six delivered Cortana.
That is rather presumptuous of you to claim that the Circumference Op never occurred, as it was pointed out, there is almost twelve whole hours between when Red Team goes planetside and when the final mission of Reach takes place. There is no way for you to know, unless someone who actually has authority over canon, whether or not the Autumn was in Aszod the whole time or had put down there at some point during the space battle.
They didn't actually fire plasma torpedos at it, did they? Wasn't it ordered not to attack the Pillar with plasma rounds for fear of damaging Halo? They only sent boarding craft on it.
The cutscene at the end of Pillar of Autumn level in Halo:CE clearly shows Plasma weapons of some sort blasting the Autumn after Chief is out of there. And it has been stated that over small difference between books and games, such as something like whether the Covenant were shooting at the Autumn or not, the fact is to deffer to the game as the proper source.