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Posted by: OrderedComa
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1. Reach's fall was extended tenfold in the game compared to the book.
2. PoA was never on Reach.
3. Where were the Orbital MAC guns?
4. By extension of #2, Cortana couldn't have been getting a piggyback ride from N6.
5. Jorge
The list goes on, up until around the number 15.
I think it's the first sword base level, but Kat does mention the SMACs, I think one of them is what was supposed to have taken out the Corvette attacking Sword.
In response to #4 it was actually only a fragment of Cortana, the real Cortana was still on the Autumn, the Journal explains the "two" Cortanas thing.
#1 I don't see any problem with it being extended, and the way I see it, the Covies in the levels up 'til the Long Night of Solace is destroyed are a reconnaissance force or something, and then the main fleet arrives in system, and between the arival of the Fleet of Particular Justice in the game and Reach's fall on the 30th of August is a rather small period of time, like 1 week I believe it was.
And the book is rather vague on what is going on on Reach the whole time, the book is mostly concerned with Keyes and the Spartans and their back stories.
#2 that's the only thing that might actually be a problem, and I don't really have an answer for it other than to wait and see what Bungie or 343 does to explain it.
#5 Why is Jorge a problem? I don't see anything wrong there.
Kat mention the SMACs in one level, great, where did they go? Why was it up to a group of Sabre's and a single Frigate to go on a suicide mission to destroy the Super-carrier, when there would have been somewhere around 20 SMACs, a fully intact fleet (with at least one cruiser, if I remember right) sitting over Reach. Where are they? What the hell are they doing?
Yes, the journal explains it was a fragment of Cortana, great, that does not at all address the issue of the fact that the PoA could NOT have been ground-side on Reach, as in that case, there would have been no need to launch Red Team from orbit, thus not causing the deaths of several SPARTANs, not causing Red Team to become stranded on Reach, not causing the death of even MORE SPARTANs, and there would have been no way to send Blue Team to the Circumference if they weren't in orbit. At least, there would have been no point, as sending them via Pelican from the surface of Reach would have taken long time. And if Blue Team never went to the Circumference, then Johnson, Jenkins and Bisenti never got on the PoA, and all died at Reach.
So, the Covenant "reconnaissance" force consists of the largest ship in the Covenant fleet, at least one Cruiser, and enough ground forces to openly engage the full military presence on Reach? And then, on top of this, the UNSC decides in the midst of all this, Not to send in the SPARTAN II's? That raises hundreds of more questions as to what the -blam!- the UNSC was thinking.
As for Jorge, given that he is a SPARTAN-II, not a SPARTAN-III, there is the problem of why he was put on Noble Team. We can assume "ONI did it", but again, why?
And if ONI did take Jorge from active service with the S-II's, the only way they could have done that would be to fake his death, similar to Kurt's. Then, we get another problem; Dr. Halsey's reaction to him on Sword Base. She acts as if she simply had not seen him in a long time, not as if he was listed as MIA, and she certainly has no questions about who the other SPARTANs are. Jorge's presence is a miniscule problem when compared to the other glaring flaws in Halo: Reach's campaign.
If one more person comes into a thread like this and says "books r not canon" I might literally start screaming.
The Autumn was called back to Reach by Halsey after the ship had recovered Chief from the Circumference. In other words, the Autumn went down to the surface of Reach 15+ minutes after deploying the Spartans.
Maybe reconnaissance is not the right word, but they were definitely sent ahead of the main fleet to gain a foothold, some recon work most likely would be involved in this, but that was not their sole purpose, and then they made a blunder when they took out Visegard and the UNSC was consequently made aware of their presence on Reach.
And as I've said multiple times before, there are large time gaps in the book where we don't know what has been going on, so the SIIs could have easily been taking part in the defense before they were tasked with going after the Prophets.
ONI are the ones responsible for giving all Spartans their missions, they wouldn't need to have Jorge declared MIA, they would just have him put on Noble Team, and someone will probably say something about "why didn't Halsey know about it then" ONI likes keeping her in the dark, she only has limited access to ONI information, and even then it's only as much as they choose to give her.
The only reason they practically kidnapped Kurt and had him declared MIA is because the SIIIs are a closely guarded secret, and the amount of involvement he would have with them, they pretty much had to have his death faked.
Okay, the Autumn was called back to Reach "15+ minutes after deploying Red Team" well, then why didn't Keyes pick up Red Team? And why wasn't Keyes fighting the Covenant? When Red and Blue Teams were deployed, the UNSC was still putting up a fight, and most of the SMACs were still online. Unless we are completely throwing away TFoR, in which case all my arguments are invalid.
There are gaps in the book, we don't follow the S-IIs around everywhere they go. But, here's the problem; why would the S-II's be surprised that the Covenant Fleet was attacking Reach, if they had been attacking them for the past month? And why would ONI send the S-II's on a mission while the Covenant were knocking on their door?
ONI is responsible for sending the SPARTANs on their missions, but they would need to give an explanation for Jorge disappearing one day. Do you honestly think that John would not have asked questions if Jorge was removed from his unit?
Granted, Jorge might have been one of the SPARTANs previously disfigured by the augmentations, who had managed to make a recovery. Fine, whatever, but my point is not that Jorge can't be on Noble Team, it's that he's there with no explanation given, and Dr. Halsey just goes with it.
[Edited on 11.14.2010 3:17 PM PST]