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Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: xAssault12x
This thread is fail........
Dude must have never read the first book or has no memory...
Read the books...
Don't do that we're actually having a good discussion about it. There's no need to be ridiculous.
Wow, thanks, Spartan, you just went up in my list of cool people on Bungie.net. Always nice debating someone civil.
Like we saw after part of the battle had ended on P300, "A view screen snapped to Reach's northern pole. Hundreds of Covenant dropships streamed towards the planet's surface... 'Tell them they're being invaded dropships at both poles'(keyes)The super MAC guns pivoted and fired shattering dozeens of covenant dropships in the shells' supersonic wake. The remains of the UNSC fleet split into two groups, moving toward either pole. Missiles and MAC guns fired blasting dropships to bits...Hundreds must have gotten through Keyes thought. Reach has been invaded."
There were Covenant forces on the ground a Covenant fleet orbiting the planet it looks to me like any nav data is in grave danger of being captured.
We are having this discussion of the Cole Protocol because of the Circumference, yes? As I've said earlier in this thread, we don't know when the Circumference came to Reach, and all the files of the ships existence were erased anyway, so it technically did not exist, and ONI is not exactly the most law-abiding branch of the UNSC government.
That makes no sense though. If the Fleet of particular justice arrives on the 14th that means that the ensuing battle, which in the book only takes a day must have begun on the 14th. This also implies that every available ship was recalled to defend Reach. So because the Autumn either had to be on Reach already and not heading out of system to do their mission, which if we just shift everything back that should be what happens, then they were recalled and the sequence of events had to unfold as it did in the book. Or we go with your idea which is that the Autumn hadn't left Reach yet and was just part of the battle on the 14th. Which means that instead of having to jump back into the system and drop off red team in the pelican which was done hastily and caused the death's and injury of several Spartan II's they could have safely had them on the ground and the MC would have been with them because the Autumn didn't go to the circumference until right before it left the system which was on the 30th either way. So this means that you either have to bump both back or leave them the way they were. Do you now see the time discrepancy and the problems this causes for he MC and the other Spartans?
Yes, I see that my original idea is fraught with error, so I will return to the old theory drawing board :P
I still think the 14th is supposed to be the invasion date now though, and that the UNSC lasted for about 15 days now instead of 1.
If we push everything back then it remains unchanged and Red Team is still hastily set down at the generators. The Autumn receives a transmission from Halsey after retrieving Chief and sets down in the Aszod Ship Breaking Yards and aids in the defense there while waiting for the Package, and then Reach still falls on the 30th. I don't know why Chief wouldn't go try and join Read Team though.
Yeah you are but that's ok replay the mission and watch behind Halsey while she's talking and unplugging Cortana she had obviously just been going through the files of the remaining Noble Team with Cortana so she could choose her carrier.
I will at some point, I'm going through the campaign again currently because my campaign progress reset.
That is a typical Bungie excuse but it still bothers me. She can obviously access anything she wants in the UNSC network as evidenced by the fact that she did download Ackerson's files in GoO. But I suppose if that's what we're going to chalk it up to, that's that.
I thought she had downloaded them in First Strike when she first discovered them, and then got the chance to go over them in GoO, or am I wrong again? I haven't gotten that far through the books yet, I'm only half-way through First Strike.
Yes, some of the "ONI did it" excuses are troublesome and shoddy excuses, but I think this one isn't that shoddy, it can at least be fleshed out a bit more than "ONI did it".
I'd agree that Halsey probably could access anything she wanted, but I think she treads very carefully on this subject, you can only go so far so fast before you're found out and accused of treason.