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I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: Venator82
All of the fixes you came up with are facts that were introduced specifically for Halo: Reach.

Which means that they had to come up with that stuff to try to make their story work.

That may not be "broken" in the minds of some. Of course, by extension of that logic nothing could ever be broken.

But it is undeniable that things were changed.


Like what? What wes changed? I want a true, undeniable change, that nobody, and I mean nobody can seem to present to me. If you can do that, you'll be my hero for doing what nobody else can do.

  • 11.16.2010 11:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Venator82
If you can do that, you'll be my hero for doing what nobody else can do.

Maybe you should check page 1, because I wear blue tights and a big red S on my chest.

[Edited on 11.16.2010 12:24 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2010 12:09 PM PDT

Bungie is Canon, anything else is not official Canon...

  • 11.16.2010 12:12 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: Venator82
If you can do that, you'll be my hero for doing what nobody else can do.

Maybe you should check page 1, because I wear blue tights and a bid red S on my chest.


Haha. Funny.
I read it all before posting and you just stated recycled facts that somebody else went through the trouble of finding, or you did find it yourself and I'm giving you too little credit.
Anyways, here's another bone, from FoR itself: all events on Reach during the FoR during August are told from the point of view of someone going on the Spartan mission, meaning the whole planet could've been falling and everybody knew it besides the group going on the mission. If it's a choice between sending the Spartans on numerous, possibly scuicidal missions to defend a planet that will fall or sending them on a mission that could end the war, which would you choose?
And don't use "But Red team was sent to Reach on a scuicidal mission anyway". That was Keyes' decision with no other source of input besides transmissions directed elsewhere that the ship happened to pick up, and Keyes probably also wasn't told Reach was falling. It's all about viewpoint, and FoR view on the Battle of Reach was very, very limited.

So, try ripping me from my theory now.

  • 11.16.2010 12:22 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: Venator82Most of those are just handwavium, where you are simply saying things to try and hold the canon together between Reach and everything else. 'ONI cover up' is my favourite one to hate, it just shows so little effort as to an actual excuse. Might as well say that Halo is a sub-program of the Matrix.

This one, however, caught my eye.
-The PoA touched down after deploying Red Team and collecting Blue Team. It was nearly midnight at the beggining of the Package, and early/mid morning by the time the level ended and Dot said it was waiting, and the PoA started to accelerate outsystem (presumambly before Halsey called it back) at about 0615 hours.You seem to have skimped over the post I made - someone in one of the two other threads I mentioned said how PoA had been on standby waiting for 6 from 16:52 (or thereabouts) on the 29th August. The SPARTAN teams were supposed to be deployed from orbit during the space battle on the 'morning' of the 30th, 0617 (I think) using the military calendar.

The SPARTANS were in cryo before PoA even took off from Reach's surface, so Red and Blue team's missions never happened (or at least not in the way they did in the book), which means, as one possibility, Halo CE now takes place with close to 30 SPARTAN-IIs.
The only way to explain that one away would be to claim a stray plasma torpedo gutted the cryochamber bays, leaving only 117 alive with his reality-bending luck.

The canon isn't broken if you look at it properly. Believe me, I wanted it to be broken until I looked, at which point I was dissapointed and, even more so, relieved that it wasn't just intact, but expanded.In what way? From what I have seen, mostly from that list I gave that you quoted, it is even more destroyed than I thought.
And I've had the level of destruction upped no fewer than 4 times post-release.

  • 11.16.2010 12:23 PM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

I have decided to ignore Bungie's reality and substitute my own. I liked the Halo story pre Reach so that is canon to me. Reach is a nice what if story.

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Posted by: Spartan1065
I have decided to ignore Bungie's reality and substitute my own. I liked the Halo story pre Reach so that is canon to me. Reach is a nice what if story.


Canon, unlike real history, is entirely subjective. This approach works if you really are that jaded and spurred.

Of course, it's only a temporary solution. If more and more new media starts to come out adhering to the H:R timeline, then your fanon will quickly get left behind in the stone age.

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Posted by: Venator82
Haha. Funny.
I read it all before posting and you just stated recycled facts that somebody else went through the trouble of finding, or you did find it yourself and I'm giving you too little credit.
Don't be a prick.

Posted by: Venator82
Anyways, here's another bone, from FoR itself: all events on Reach during the FoR during August are told from the point of view of someone going on the Spartan mission, meaning the whole planet could've been falling and everybody knew it besides the group going on the mission. If it's a choice between sending the Spartans on numerous, possibly scuicidal missions to defend a planet that will fall or sending them on a mission that could end the war, which would you choose?
And don't use "But Red team was sent to Reach on a scuicidal mission anyway". That was Keyes' decision with no other source of input besides transmissions directed elsewhere that the ship happened to pick up, and Keyes probably also wasn't told Reach was falling. It's all about viewpoint, and FoR view on the Battle of Reach was very, very limited.

So, try ripping me from my theory now.
So basically, you are saying that, because we didn't see the new story from the old character's perspective, then nothing was changed. That makes no sense. They could come up and say there was a flood invasion on Reach, but the narrator of the book just never said anything about it, using that logic.

If nothing else, the one undeniable fact is that PoA never touched down on Reach.

[Edited on 11.16.2010 12:33 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2010 12:29 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.



Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Venator82Most of those are just handwavium, where you are simply saying things to try and hold the canon together between Reach and everything else. 'ONI cover up' is my favourite one to hate, it just shows so little effort as to an actual excuse. Might as well say that Halo is a sub-program of the Matrix.

This one, however, caught my eye.
-The PoA touched down after deploying Red Team and collecting Blue Team. It was nearly midnight at the beggining of the Package, and early/mid morning by the time the level ended and Dot said it was waiting, and the PoA started to accelerate outsystem (presumambly before Halsey called it back) at about 0615 hours.You seem to have skimped over the post I made - someone in one of the two other threads I mentioned said how PoA had been on standby waiting for 6 from 16:52 (or thereabouts) on the 29th August. The SPARTAN teams were supposed to be deployed from orbit during the space battle on the 'morning' of the 30th, 0617 (I think) using the military calendar.

The SPARTANS were in cryo before PoA even took off from Reach's surface, so Red and Blue team's missions never happened (or at least not in the way they did in the book), which means, as one possibility, Halo CE now takes place with close to 30 SPARTAN-IIs.
The only way to explain that one away would be to claim a stray plasma torpedo gutted the cryochamber bays, leaving only 117 alive with his reality-bending luck.

The canon isn't broken if you look at it properly. Believe me, I wanted it to be broken until I looked, at which point I was dissapointed and, even more so, relieved that it wasn't just intact, but expanded.In what way? From what I have seen, mostly from that list I gave that you quoted, it is even more destroyed than I thought.
And I've had the level of destruction upped no fewer than 4 times post-release.


ONI coverup is -blam!-, I know, but I was reffering to my older theories document, rather than the newer ones (look at my above post). Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.

  • 11.16.2010 12:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Venator82


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Venator82Most of those are just handwavium, where you are simply saying things to try and hold the canon together between Reach and everything else. 'ONI cover up' is my favourite one to hate, it just shows so little effort as to an actual excuse. Might as well say that Halo is a sub-program of the Matrix.

This one, however, caught my eye.
-The PoA touched down after deploying Red Team and collecting Blue Team. It was nearly midnight at the beggining of the Package, and early/mid morning by the time the level ended and Dot said it was waiting, and the PoA started to accelerate outsystem (presumambly before Halsey called it back) at about 0615 hours.You seem to have skimped over the post I made - someone in one of the two other threads I mentioned said how PoA had been on standby waiting for 6 from 16:52 (or thereabouts) on the 29th August. The SPARTAN teams were supposed to be deployed from orbit during the space battle on the 'morning' of the 30th, 0617 (I think) using the military calendar.

The SPARTANS were in cryo before PoA even took off from Reach's surface, so Red and Blue team's missions never happened (or at least not in the way they did in the book), which means, as one possibility, Halo CE now takes place with close to 30 SPARTAN-IIs.
The only way to explain that one away would be to claim a stray plasma torpedo gutted the cryochamber bays, leaving only 117 alive with his reality-bending luck.

The canon isn't broken if you look at it properly. Believe me, I wanted it to be broken until I looked, at which point I was dissapointed and, even more so, relieved that it wasn't just intact, but expanded.In what way? From what I have seen, mostly from that list I gave that you quoted, it is even more destroyed than I thought.
And I've had the level of destruction upped no fewer than 4 times post-release.


ONI coverup is -blam!-, I know, but I was reffering to my older theories document, rather than the newer ones (look at my above post). Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.


ONI coverup does work up until Nightfall and Tip of the Spear. Having them cover up a massive continent-wide battle is obviously far-fetched and a shoddy attempt at reconciling timelines. Having them cover up a small advance team attacking a base in the hinterlands? Feasible.

The S-II in cryo is an easter egg and not to be taken seriously.

  • 11.16.2010 12:31 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: Venator82
Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.
The easter egg at the end, where if you panned the camera to the right as the Pelican entered PoA's hangar bay, you would see a SPARTAN-II in MkV MJOLNIR in a cryotube.

Only one was there mind, but this means that they should ALL be in cryo.

To FleetAdmiralBob?
If there is a SPARTAN in cryo, then that is irrefutable evidence (whether an Easter Egg or not) that they SPARTANS were not deployed on missions between PoA leaving the surface of Reach and Alpha Halo.
Saying otherwise makes the Easter Egg so ludicrously pointless that I can't even think about how to talk about it.

[Edited on 11.16.2010 12:33 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2010 12:32 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: Venator82
Haha. Funny.
I read it all before posting and you just stated recycled facts that somebody else went through the trouble of finding, or you did find it yourself and I'm giving you too little credit.
Don't be a prick.

Posted by: Venator82
Anyways, here's another bone, from FoR itself: all events on Reach during the FoR during August are told from the point of view of someone going on the Spartan mission, meaning the whole planet could've been falling and everybody knew it besides the group going on the mission. If it's a choice between sending the Spartans on numerous, possibly scuicidal missions to defend a planet that will fall or sending them on a mission that could end the war, which would you choose?
And don't use "But Red team was sent to Reach on a scuicidal mission anyway". That was Keyes' decision with no other source of input besides transmissions directed elsewhere that the ship happened to pick up, and Keyes probably also wasn't told Reach was falling. It's all about viewpoint, and FoR view on the Battle of Reach was very, very limited.

So, try ripping me from my theory now.
So basically, you are saying that, because we didn't see the new story from the old character's perspective, then nothing was changed. That makes no sense. They could come up and say there was a flood invasion on Reach, but if the narrator of the book just never said anything about it, using that logic.

If nothing else, the one undeniable fact is that PoA never touched down on Reach.


I love being a prick/ -blam!-hole. It's my signature.
Anyways, that's exactly what I'm saying. Is there anything wrong with that?
Because that is what seems to be the case with Bungie, being story masters they seemed to be with every other game, saying they were so close to the canon, and yet Reach looking as though it blew a huge hole in it.
So, yes.

  • 11.16.2010 12:33 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Venator82
Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.
The easter egg at the end, where if you panned the camera to the right as the Pelican entered PoA's hangar bay, you would see a SPARTAN-II in MkV MJOLNIR in a cryotube.

Only one was there mind, but this means that they should ALL be in cryo.



But that's supposed to be John after they picked him up from the Circumfrence mission. (The place is wrong, but it's an easter egg.)


[Edited on 11.16.2010 12:36 PM PST]

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Venator82
Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.
The easter egg at the end, where if you panned the camera to the right as the Pelican entered PoA's hangar bay, you would see a SPARTAN-II in MkV MJOLNIR in a cryotube.

Only one was there mind, but this means that they should ALL be in cryo.

To FleetAdmiralBob?
If there is a SPARTAN in cryo, then that is irrefutable evidence (whether an Easter Egg or not) that they SPARTANS were not deployed on missions between PoA leaving the surface of Reach and Alpha Halo.
Saying otherwise makes the Easter Egg so ludicrously pointless that I can't even think about how to talk about it.


A grunt did not taunt the Master Chief on the edge of a collapsing Halo, or in the service cooridors of the Pillar of Autumn. There was no half-naked Jason Jones hidding on Alpha Halo. Easter eggs. Are not. Canon. Ever.

The point of the Easter Egg? "Oh, hey, I accidently moved my joystick and found Master Chief. haahah."

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Posted by: Venator82
I love being a prick/ -blam!-hole. It's my signature.
Have fun with life.

Posted by: Venator82
Is there anything wrong with that?
Yes. When new facts are introduced after a story has been written, that story has been changed.

[Edited on 11.16.2010 12:38 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2010 12:37 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Venator82
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Venator82
Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.
The easter egg at the end, where if you panned the camera to the right as the Pelican entered PoA's hangar bay, you would see a SPARTAN-II in MkV MJOLNIR in a cryotube.

Only one was there mind, but this means that they should ALL be in cryo.



But that's supposed to be John after they picked him up from the Circumfrence mission. (The place is wrong, but it's an easter egg.)


How did the pillar pick him up? He never deployed to the circumference because the Autumn didn't leave the planet until hours after that mission was SUPPOSED to take place. It was on the planet on the 29th, and it doesn't leave until later that day(in the game.)

Argue all you want that it isn't broken, but you're wrong. What you're doing now is nothing more than being like a 6 year old, putting your fingers in your ears, and say "lalalalala." You can ignore the books if you wish, but the people who CARE about the universe are still going to be just as pissed. Bungie's shown with Reach that they don't give a rats ass about us, because if they did, they'd address us instead of acting like everything is perfect.

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I find it funny when someone says the PoA never landed on Reach.
At any point, before or after the circumference mission, who said so?

  • 11.16.2010 12:40 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: Venator82
I love being a prick/ -blam!-hole. It's my signature.
Have fun with life.

Posted by: Venator82
Is there anything wrong with that?
Yes. When new facts are introduced after a story has been written, that story has been changed.


Already having fun. If you're good at it, it works. But most people aren't.
On topic: But it wasn't changed if you use that theory, it wasn't at all. But I can see you won't budge. That's okay with me. Let's agree to disagree.

  • 11.16.2010 12:40 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Venator82
Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.
The easter egg at the end, where if you panned the camera to the right as the Pelican entered PoA's hangar bay, you would see a SPARTAN-II in MkV MJOLNIR in a cryotube.

Only one was there mind, but this means that they should ALL be in cryo.

To FleetAdmiralBob?
If there is a SPARTAN in cryo, then that is irrefutable evidence (whether an Easter Egg or not) that they SPARTANS were not deployed on missions between PoA leaving the surface of Reach and Alpha Halo.
Saying otherwise makes the Easter Egg so ludicrously pointless that I can't even think about how to talk about it.


A grunt did not taunt the Master Chief on the edge of a collapsing Halo, or in the service cooridors of the Pillar of Autumn. There was no half-naked Jason Jones hidding on Alpha Halo. Easter eggs. Are not. Canon. Ever.

The point of the Easter Egg? "Oh, hey, I accidently moved my joystick and found Master Chief. haahah."
Oh wow, hey, I found a SPARTAN in a cryotube which will take 30 minutes to thaw him out of which he is in for no obvious reason, yet in about 20 minutes, he is going to be going to an orbital docking station and fighting, despite having only just come out of a cryotube.

That is what you are suggesting. Yes, it is an Easter Egg - yes, it is not supposed to be canon. But the context of the Easter Egg means it should be canon, or else it makes less sense than most Easter Eggs.
The exact equivalent would have been remodelling the Pillar of Autumn to look like a Frigate, or a Covenant Vessel. Because it's an Easter Egg.

  • 11.16.2010 12:41 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Venator82
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Venator82
Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.
The easter egg at the end, where if you panned the camera to the right as the Pelican entered PoA's hangar bay, you would see a SPARTAN-II in MkV MJOLNIR in a cryotube.

Only one was there mind, but this means that they should ALL be in cryo.



But that's supposed to be John after they picked him up from the Circumfrence mission. (The place is wrong, but it's an easter egg.)


How did the pillar pick him up? He never deployed to the circumference because the Autumn didn't leave the planet until hours after that mission was SUPPOSED to take place. It was on the planet on the 29th, and it doesn't leave until later that day(in the game.)

Argue all you want that it isn't broken, but you're wrong. What you're doing now is nothing more than being like a 6 year old, putting your fingers in your ears, and say "lalalalala." You can ignore the books if you wish, but the people who CARE about the universe are still going to be just as pissed. Bungie's shown with Reach that they don't give a rats ass about us, because if they did, they'd address us instead of acting like everything is perfect.


Oh great. It's you.

Okay, it wasn't on the planet during the 29th, it was there on the 30th, at the end of the Package, and after it had dropped Red off and recovered Blue.
If you say you care that much, thn you would be trying to, like me, find ways to make it make sense not try and find ways to make it confusing.

  • 11.16.2010 12:43 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: manwith
I find it funny when someone says the PoA never landed on Reach.
At any point, before or after the circumference mission, who said so?


So, it was on the planet the 29th, waiting for six.

Then it left the planet even though it was supposed to be defending just to drop the Spartans BACK ONTO THE PLANET THEY WERE JUST ON, and then land again for Six?

Do you realize how incredibly stupid that is?

  • 11.16.2010 12:43 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

Posted by: Venator82

Oh great. It's you.

Okay, it wasn't on the planet during the 29th, it was there on the 30th, at the end of the Package, and after it had dropped Red off and recovered Blue.
If you say you care that much, thn you would be trying to, like me, find ways to make it make sense not try and find ways to make it confusing.


It was on the planet on the 29th, the game says so.

The fans shouldn't have to work and create far fetched theories just to try and hold the damn story together. Before Reach we would've never had to do this.

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Venator82
Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.
The easter egg at the end, where if you panned the camera to the right as the Pelican entered PoA's hangar bay, you would see a SPARTAN-II in MkV MJOLNIR in a cryotube.

Only one was there mind, but this means that they should ALL be in cryo.

To FleetAdmiralBob?
If there is a SPARTAN in cryo, then that is irrefutable evidence (whether an Easter Egg or not) that they SPARTANS were not deployed on missions between PoA leaving the surface of Reach and Alpha Halo.
Saying otherwise makes the Easter Egg so ludicrously pointless that I can't even think about how to talk about it.


A grunt did not taunt the Master Chief on the edge of a collapsing Halo, or in the service cooridors of the Pillar of Autumn. There was no half-naked Jason Jones hidding on Alpha Halo. Easter eggs. Are not. Canon. Ever.

The point of the Easter Egg? "Oh, hey, I accidently moved my joystick and found Master Chief. haahah."
Oh wow, hey, I found a SPARTAN in a cryotube which will take 30 minutes to thaw him out of which he is in for no obvious reason, yet in about 20 minutes, he is going to be going to an orbital docking station and fighting, despite having only just come out of a cryotube.

That is what you are suggesting. Yes, it is an Easter Egg - yes, it is not supposed to be canon. But the context of the Easter Egg means it should be canon, or else it makes less sense than most Easter Eggs.
The exact equivalent would have been remodelling the Pillar of Autumn to look like a Frigate, or a Covenant Vessel. Because it's an Easter Egg.


No. You are speaking in riddles and bizzare contradictions.

Johnson SHOULD have been aboard a Pelican high-tailing it off of Alpha Halo. The Legendary ending has him making out with an Elite. This is obviously non-canon, and not to be taken seriously - BUT HE'S THERE! AN OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION! How could Bungie betray the canon by having Johnson get cozy with an alien!?

Johnson hugging the Elite is non-canon. It doesn't matter that it is quite obviously Johnson's character model and that Johnson could, concievably have been at that spot. It didn't happen. The Cryotube works the same way.



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Posted by: Venator82
Okay, it wasn't on the planet during the 29th, it was there on the 30th, at the end of the Package, and after it had dropped Red off and recovered Blue.
If you say you care that much, thn you would be trying to, like me, find ways to make it make sense not try and find ways to make it confusing.
If you care about the universe then you should want to find the truth, not leap over insurmountable hurdles in a blind attempt to piece together a fragmented story.

  • 11.16.2010 12:47 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.

Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Venator82

Oh great. It's you.

Okay, it wasn't on the planet during the 29th, it was there on the 30th, at the end of the Package, and after it had dropped Red off and recovered Blue.
If you say you care that much, thn you would be trying to, like me, find ways to make it make sense not try and find ways to make it confusing.


It was on the planet on the 29th, the game says so.

The fans shouldn't have to work and create far fetched theories just to try and hold the damn story together. Before Reach we would've never had to do this.


When does it say it's on the planet on the 29th?

Bungie knows how it works together, what actually happens and how it actually makes sense.
It's our job to find out what the real one is for our own curiosity; Bungie never told us to. They're not giving it to us, so we have to find the most plausible and most likely answer. Not our job to find out unless we want to.

  • 11.16.2010 12:50 PM PDT