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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: manwith
I find it funny when someone says the PoA never landed on Reach.
At any point, before or after the circumference mission, who said so?


So, it was on the planet the 29th, waiting for six.

Then it left the planet even though it was supposed to be defending just to drop the Spartans BACK ONTO THE PLANET THEY WERE JUST ON, and then land again for Six?

Do you realize how incredibly stupid that is?


FoR's depiction of The Battle of Reach is noncanon. You accept this when you assume that the Autumn waits for Six before leaving the planet.

Why, then, do you continue to assume that the dates in FoR and the early segments of First Strike can even pretend to fit in with this new Canon?

If Halo: Reach is canon, then the S-IIs have been fighting and dying on Reach since Tip of the Spear at the latest. All events depicted in FoR, if they can remain canon at all, bend and fold around this new timeline.

The only Spartans in any condition to board the Autumn on the 30th are Master Chief and a severely wounded Linda. Even then, they probably don't get on the ship until it hits orbit.

[Edited on 11.16.2010 12:54 PM PST]

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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: manwith
I find it funny when someone says the PoA never landed on Reach.
At any point, before or after the circumference mission, who said so?


So, it was on the planet the 29th, waiting for six.

Then it left the planet even though it was supposed to be defending just to drop the Spartans BACK ONTO THE PLANET THEY WERE JUST ON, and then land again for Six?

Do you realize how incredibly stupid that is?


It wasn't waiting on the planet on the 29th. I checked that. The package begins almost 00:00 of August 30th and ends on the early morning/day when Jun departs with Halsey. It's probably around, let's say 7-12 am of August 30th, give or take.

Not to mention the Pillar of Autumn level takes place 5pm, which is 10 hours after Red Team was deployed and the remainder of Blue Team picked up from the circumference mission that happened around 7am.

  • 11.16.2010 12:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob
No. You are speaking in riddles and bizzare contradictions.

Johnson SHOULD have been aboard a Pelican high-tailing it off of Alpha Halo. The Legendary ending has him making out with an Elite. This is obviously non-canon, and not to be taken seriously - BUT HE'S THERE! AN OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION! How could Bungie betray the canon by having Johnson get cozy with an alien!?

Johnson hugging the Elite is non-canon. It doesn't matter that it is quite obviously Johnson's character model and that Johnson could, concievably have been at that spot. It didn't happen. The Cryotube works the same way.

You may not understand my reasoning for this, but the two Easter Eggs do not correlate.

Johnson hugging an Elite is a Legendary Ending, a bonus for bothering to complete the game on Legendary.
The cryotube Easter Egg is available for all to see on all difficulties.
Also, the CE Legendary Ending has the sole purpose of being humorous.

The indisputably canon Legendary Endings to Halo 3 and Halo Wars were not, which makes them canon. I argue the same point with the SPARTAN in cryo.

  • 11.16.2010 1:02 PM PDT
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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob
No. You are speaking in riddles and bizzare contradictions.

Johnson SHOULD have been aboard a Pelican high-tailing it off of Alpha Halo. The Legendary ending has him making out with an Elite. This is obviously non-canon, and not to be taken seriously - BUT HE'S THERE! AN OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION! How could Bungie betray the canon by having Johnson get cozy with an alien!?

Johnson hugging the Elite is non-canon. It doesn't matter that it is quite obviously Johnson's character model and that Johnson could, concievably have been at that spot. It didn't happen. The Cryotube works the same way.

You may not understand my reasoning for this, but the two Easter Eggs do not correlate.

Johnson hugging an Elite is a Legendary Ending, a bonus for bothering to complete the game on Legendary.
The cryotube Easter Egg is available for all to see on all difficulties.
Also, the CE Legendary Ending has the sole purpose of being humorous.

The indisputably canon Legendary Endings to Halo 3 and Halo Wars were not, which makes them canon. I argue the same point with the SPARTAN in cryo.


1: You cannot see him in the course of the normal cutscene. Most people playing the game are probably unaware of his existance - yet more would have been unaware had they not seen footage online.

2: He's in a situation - a random hangar where he shouldn't be. During....

3: A time - the middle of a battle - where he should probably be at least awake and alert.

Now, if the cutscene drew your attention to him like so:

Marine Techie: So much was lost... but at least one survived.
*camera pans to the tube*
Keyes: Transport him to cryobay alpha. I want a team monitoring the Master Chief constantly. Keep him prepped for quick-thaw at all times.

... then you would have a point. As a blink-and-you'll miss it bonus? Not so much.

  • 11.16.2010 1:10 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

I want to believe Chief in the cryotube is non-canon.

It's a "move the stick and you see" easter egg like the one from ODST.

The egg in ODST showed Buck picking bugs out of a monkey's hair and going to eat the bug. I'm sure this didn't really happen.

[Edited on 11.16.2010 1:39 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2010 1:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
You may not understand my reasoning for this, but the two Easter Eggs do not correlate.

Johnson hugging an Elite is a Legendary Ending, a bonus for bothering to complete the game on Legendary.
The cryotube Easter Egg is available for all to see on all difficulties.
Also, the CE Legendary Ending has the sole purpose of being humorous.

The indisputably canon Legendary Endings to Halo 3 and Halo Wars were not, which makes them canon. I argue the same point with the SPARTAN in cryo.
I don't think we as the audience have the right to pick and choose which easter eggs are canon, and which are not. Either they all are, or they all are not.

  • 11.16.2010 1:28 PM PDT
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Posted by: Spartan999
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
You may not understand my reasoning for this, but the two Easter Eggs do not correlate.

Johnson hugging an Elite is a Legendary Ending, a bonus for bothering to complete the game on Legendary.
The cryotube Easter Egg is available for all to see on all difficulties.
Also, the CE Legendary Ending has the sole purpose of being humorous.

The indisputably canon Legendary Endings to Halo 3 and Halo Wars were not, which makes them canon. I argue the same point with the SPARTAN in cryo.
I don't think we as the audience have the right to pick and choose which easter eggs are canon, and which are not. Either they all are, or they all are not.


... not to mention that Halo 3's Legendary ending is what is commonly known as a "Stinger." Easter Eggs are just for fun.

  • 11.16.2010 1:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: privet caboose
I want to believe Chief in the cryotube is non-canon.

It's a "move the stick and you see" easter egg like the one from ODST.

The egg in ODST showed Buck picking bugs out of a monkey's hair and going to eat the bug. I'm sure this didn't really happen.
Again, that was a Legendary ending and was entirely as a joke. If 117's cryotube had had a bullseye painted on it, and was hung out of the side of PoA, that could also have been taken as a joke by Bungie.

This 117 in cryo - it directly contradicts what is supposed to happen next, but unlike the other contradictory LEs, this one looks serious, as in not put for a joke.

[Edited on 11.16.2010 1:52 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2010 1:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Venator82

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
-The existence of the Noble Team SPARTANS.
-The age of the Noble Team SPARTANS.
-Jorge being a member of Noble Team.
-Moving the dates of the battle back 5 weeks.
-Moving the date of the main Covenant fleet's arrival back 2 weeks.
-Implying that less than 300 UNSC ships could fight 750 Covenant ships for two solid weeks in orbit, and that the Covenant wouldn't already bother glassing.
-PoA touching down on Reach totally destroys First Strike's tale of Red Team's operation, and also means that Blue Team's cannot be undergone. Even from the start, that's 5 KIA and 1 WIA scratched off the bat, before Alpha(?) Red gets glassed at the Generators.
-This also means that Johnson and Jenkins remain on Orbital Dock Gamma and are never retrieved by the SPARTANS and/or PoA, and therefore a major character from the entire series, and key (ie: epically major) plot points of The Flood and First Strike are also removed.

There are others, but these are all that come to mind currently.


Why do people say it's broken? Because most people didn't bother to do research and one guy made a quite convincing thread because he wanted it to be broken? Come on.

-They were pulled out right after training.
-SIIIs were new and the success rates were better, so having them older makes more sense than the SIIs.
-Jorge could've been considered MIA. In fact, it's possible he was one of the few Spartans whom are hinted to have been "resurected" in Halsey's Journal, or the others could know he's alive, just not what he's part of. Also, when Halsey says all Spartans are present, she didn't have to mean they were in the room, so Jorge could be part of that grouping.
-ONI, knowing the importance of Reach, could have been keeping secret. It also could've been a force like Earth's first; didn't know where they were or that humans would be there, just that the Forerunners had structures on the surface.
-It probably wasn't the whole fleet, just a smaller advance fleet to locate the relics and retrieve them so the Covenant the major fleet could start glassing as soon as they arrived.
-Again, it wasn't the whole fleet, which didn't arrive until August 30th. If you're going on Urban's quote "It's the whole damn Covennant Fleet!" he hasn't seen the whole fleet, so was just assuming as Covenant ships hadn't been seen above 3 or so rather than the ten-fifteen or so. Also, they don't glass just in case they get the relics, only starting when they've retrieved them.
-The PoA touched down after deploying Red Team and collecting Blue Team. It was nearly midnight at the beggining of the Package, and early/mid morning by the time the level ended and Dot said it was waiting, and the PoA started to accelerate outsystem (presumambly before Halsey called it back) at about 0615 hours.

The canon isn't broken if you look at it properly. Believe me, I wanted it to be broken until I looked, at which point I was dissapointed and, even more so, relieved that it wasn't just intact, but expanded.


I couldn't have said it better myself Venator, though I don't really agree with your assumption that the fleet of August 14th being an advance strike force.

It's my thought that Bungie moved the date of the fleet's arrival from the 30th back to the 14th. Everything else I think is pretty much spot-on, considering what information we have available to us.

If only more people would look into the issue with a more open mind like you did, keep up the good work, I got your back, those of us with a common mindset must stick together :P

  • 11.16.2010 8:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Core matrix
To me I can think of a number of ways a story could have been written to fit in with the books and so on.

Also Bungie at Comicon were patting themselves on the back for their ability to keep a solid cannon, which at this point they had created the game and knew it would destory reach and following books.

It's mental.
considering they would of spent time to make it all fit they didnt they made a behind the scenes look which fit with their cannon just give it time like the other canon breatches (we thought happened) all will be explained

  • 11.16.2010 11:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: OrderedComa
I couldn't have said it better myself Venator, though I don't really agree with your assumption that the fleet of August 14th being an advance strike force.

It's my thought that Bungie moved the date of the fleet's arrival from the 30th back to the 14th. Everything else I think is pretty much spot-on, considering what information we have available to us.

If only more people would look into the issue with a more open mind like you did, keep up the good work, I got your back, those of us with a common mindset must stick together :P
It's not so much the fact that things are changed - although I find the amount of things changed excessive, and means that the copy of TFOR I bought to expand the Halo Universe is close to worthless around the Sigma Octanus IV section.

My problem is a simple cause and effect, which I have iterated multiple times in the thread.
Seemingly minor things like Blue and Red teams not being able to be deployed can really clusterblam other things, when you realise that upsets anything to do with Linda in First Strike, and that there are now 5 extra SPARTANS who were not killed in their operations they did not take when and how they originally did.
First Strike's description of Red Team's operation follows TFOR exactly. So Halo Reach stomps all over much of First Strike in that aspect as well. If Blue Team doesn't make orbit, then Johnson is forgotten from the entirety of the series. Scratch key plot point of First Strike. Plus Jenkins cannot be on Alpha Halo and does not get infected - and Lt McKay does not use his plight and suffering to destroy the Truth and Reconciliation and the survivors of PoA, which then theoretically makes it back to earth with masses of Covenant technology. Scratch epic plot point of The Flood, and screw up the history of the remainder of the trilogy from CE onwards.

It's like asking 'what happened if we went back in time and killed Hitler?' Well, key things in WWII would never happen. That's good.
You then end up with the fact that years down the line, the children of 50 million people are born when they never should be, and almost every other child born during or after WWII is never actually born.
It changes EVERYTHING at an exponential rate, moving away from the event you changed along the timeline.

[Edited on 11.17.2010 12:21 AM PST]

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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

August 29 26:16

Noble Six lands and starts fighitng the covies alongside ODST ,then arrives at the entrance of SWORDI'm sure it took like 15 minutes maybe?

But later they arrive in Halsey's lab

Halsey:"Perhaps more.You are to take her to the UNSC ship breaking yards in Aszod.There you will find a Halycon-class cruiser waiting to get her off planet"


This quote i said inside the lab,time is probably between 26:00 and 27,00 or 00:00

That still isn't near 06:00 when Red and Blue were dropped unless it took noble 4-5 hours to enter that lab,the mission itself only has a timespan of 30 minutes on normal

Of the last custcene after the lab took place on 30 August then why didn't bungie put that date later on that cutscene?That's something they did on New Alexandria and LNOS

BTW i found another massive plothole a contradiction between Reach and Halseys journal

August 14 operation uppercut

Cutscene dialog :

Jorge:Pull up surface grid, nineteen-by-twenty-two.
Dot: Gladly. ONI Sword Base: Sector 18-G.
Jorge: Thermal enhance.
Dot: Noble Five, your pulse is elevated. There is nothing you can do for Doctor Halsey and the others inside Sword Base. The mathematics are determinate... Noble Five?



During this cutscene you see 3 plasma explosions,one of them is near SWORD base.When we play the package level we see the damage it did in the background(molten lake of magma)

Halsey was inside SWORD on that day and she couldn't have escpaed SWORD base when the covies just bombarded it.
You could say she escaped but i don't think she would do that to leave the Forerunner data behind while the covies are knocking on door

August 23 (level New Alexandria)

Carter: We're being redeployed back to SWORD base
Jun:Sword? Covenant own it now
Carter: Which is why they want us for a torch and burn op. Kepp Dr Halsy's data abse fall into enemy hands.



Hasley is still in SWORD base

August 29

Still inside sword base

She was stuck between 14 and 29 August in SWORD till Noble resqued her.

But according to the journal she met the other spartan II's on August 27 for her briefing on operation RED flag

How could she talk with her sII on 27 while she was stuck on SWORD between 14 and 29?

She had no way to escape from SWORD because the covenant own it unless she can magically teleport.

Bungie why?Whyyyy?

Why did you guys burned canon?Why do you guys don't give any explanation?At least Frankie talks with the fans at HBO explaining Halo legends canon

*rages*

  • 11.17.2010 5:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: JScientia13
I do not see any contradictions and I also do not see anyone pointing one out. If you are going to say they broke the story give examples.


Reach taking 1 month instead of 4 hours.

Cortana not being in the PoA

The PoA being on the surface instead of in SPACE.

Halsey knowing about Spartan IIIs early

The Covenant not showing UP until August 30th.

Anything else?

  • 11.17.2010 5:43 AM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: OrderedComa
I couldn't have said it better myself Venator, though I don't really agree with your assumption that the fleet of August 14th being an advance strike force.

It's my thought that Bungie moved the date of the fleet's arrival from the 30th back to the 14th. Everything else I think is pretty much spot-on, considering what information we have available to us.

If only more people would look into the issue with a more open mind like you did, keep up the good work, I got your back, those of us with a common mindset must stick together :P
It's not so much the fact that things are changed - although I find the amount of things changed excessive, and means that the copy of TFOR I bought to expand the Halo Universe is close to worthless around the Sigma Octanus IV section.

My problem is a simple cause and effect, which I have iterated multiple times in the thread.
Seemingly minor things like Blue and Red teams not being able to be deployed can really clusterblam other things, when you realise that upsets anything to do with Linda in First Strike, and that there are now 5 extra SPARTANS who were not killed in their operations they did not take when and how they originally did.
First Strike's description of Red Team's operation follows TFOR exactly. So Halo Reach stomps all over much of First Strike in that aspect as well. If Blue Team doesn't make orbit, then Johnson is forgotten from the entirety of the series. Scratch key plot point of First Strike. Plus Jenkins cannot be on Alpha Halo and does not get infected - and Lt McKay does not use his plight and suffering to destroy the Truth and Reconciliation and the survivors of PoA, which then theoretically makes it back to earth with masses of Covenant technology. Scratch epic plot point of The Flood, and screw up the history of the remainder of the trilogy from CE onwards.

It's like asking 'what happened if we went back in time and killed Hitler?' Well, key things in WWII would never happen. That's good.
You then end up with the fact that years down the line, the children of 50 million people are born when they never should be, and almost every other child born during or after WWII is never actually born.
It changes EVERYTHING at an exponential rate, moving away from the event you changed along the timeline.


Why do you think it's impossible for Read and Blue to be deployed on their missions? I want to explore your reasoning for coming to this conclusion, for now I'll do my best to address your conclusion based on what you said in this post.

Noble Team gets Halsey out of Sword in the late hours of the 29th, during the level it transitions over to the 30th. By the end of the level it's probably 0700 or 0800, the Autumn deployed Red Team from orbit sometime in the 5 AM hours, Blue Team was extracted from wiping the Circumference a little after 0616.
After picking up Blue it headed down to Reach's surface for the Pillar of Autumn level which takes place in the later hours of the 30th, I believe the time is around 1456 or so, the last level of Reach then plays out, so Red and Blue still do their missions, Johnson and the other Marines are still picked up from Blue's op, and Red's op still plays out however First Strike depicts it.

  • 11.17.2010 3:06 PM PDT

If it ain't my chair, it ain't my problem. That's what I say.

Because they wanted to make a cool and flash story. Yet another attempt to draw in the non-hardcore-halo-fans and casuals.

  • 11.17.2010 3:09 PM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Venator82
Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.
The easter egg at the end, where if you panned the camera to the right as the Pelican entered PoA's hangar bay, you would see a SPARTAN-II in MkV MJOLNIR in a cryotube.

Only one was there mind, but this means that they should ALL be in cryo.

To FleetAdmiralBob?
If there is a SPARTAN in cryo, then that is irrefutable evidence (whether an Easter Egg or not) that they SPARTANS were not deployed on missions between PoA leaving the surface of Reach and Alpha Halo.
Saying otherwise makes the Easter Egg so ludicrously pointless that I can't even think about how to talk about it.
It's a Bloody easter egg just becuase it's asparten 2 doesnt mean their all still on the pillar, this is the stupides thing i have read, unless thi is a counter to someone making the same stupid as claim cause if anyone makes a claim that the easter egg is relative to the story YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!

  • 11.17.2010 3:59 PM PDT


Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Venator82
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Venator82
Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.
The easter egg at the end, where if you panned the camera to the right as the Pelican entered PoA's hangar bay, you would see a SPARTAN-II in MkV MJOLNIR in a cryotube.

Only one was there mind, but this means that they should ALL be in cryo.



But that's supposed to be John after they picked him up from the Circumfrence mission. (The place is wrong, but it's an easter egg.)


How did the pillar pick him up? He never deployed to the circumference because the Autumn didn't leave the planet until hours after that mission was SUPPOSED to take place. It was on the planet on the 29th, and it doesn't leave until later that day(in the game.)

Argue all you want that it isn't broken, but you're wrong. What you're doing now is nothing more than being like a 6 year old, putting your fingers in your ears, and say "lalalalala." You can ignore the books if you wish, but the people who CARE about the universe are still going to be just as pissed. Bungie's shown with Reach that they don't give a rats ass about us, because if they did, they'd address us instead of acting like everything is perfect.
if anyones being a 6 year old it's you thinking you know everything which you dont!,

you know alot but not all, if you wait and see how bungie can fix this if not nylund it will turn out. But no you ramble on and on how you think you know everything, you didnt create halo you dont know how it all fits, stop trying to think you do, and opinions I have an opinion reach fits over time I hope all the small gaps that we dont know about are filled untill them ill believe what i want.

  • 11.17.2010 4:03 PM PDT

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I can understand that the main battle might not have been the focus for the game for technical reasons. But I don't see why the PoA was on the ground rather than in some sort of dock in space, why a Supercarrier could be hidden in the atmosphere, why a Spartan-II was part of a Spartan-III squad, why there were Spartan-III squads at all. These and many other aspects all seem unnecessary to me, and I can't help but feel that the story is a bit clumsy and that it could have been more elegant.

  • 11.17.2010 4:52 PM PDT

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don't worry, i'm sure that when the movie is released it'll aaaalll be explained...


...hint hint

  • 11.17.2010 4:52 PM PDT


Posted by: Venator82
Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Venator82

Oh great. It's you.

Okay, it wasn't on the planet during the 29th, it was there on the 30th, at the end of the Package, and after it had dropped Red off and recovered Blue.
If you say you care that much, thn you would be trying to, like me, find ways to make it make sense not try and find ways to make it confusing.


It was on the planet on the 29th, the game says so.

The fans shouldn't have to work and create far fetched theories just to try and hold the damn story together. Before Reach we would've never had to do this.


When does it say it's on the planet on the 29th?

Bungie knows how it works together, what actually happens and how it actually makes sense.
Maybe they could be so kind as to enlighten us, as we ourselves, who have pieced together every other shred of information without their help are currently stumped.
It's our job to find out what the real one is for our own curiosity; Bungie never told us to.This is a hobby, not a job. We do this for fun.
They're not giving it to us, so we have to find the most plausible and most likely answer.And right now, considering all the contradictions, and all the utter made-up bull-blam!-, all the evidence points to "Bungie -blam!- up big time" being the most plausible answer. It's either that, or back to those ridiculous time travel theories.
Not our job to find out unless we want to.Exactly. Which some of us are doing in favour of the story, and some of us are doing in favour of Bungie. Three guesses as to who is in the latter.

  • 11.17.2010 5:03 PM PDT


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Posted by: privet caboose
Posted by: Venator82
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Venator82
Another thing, what was that about the Spartan IIs in cryo? I am actually in the dark about that one.
The easter egg at the end, where if you panned the camera to the right as the Pelican entered PoA's hangar bay, you would see a SPARTAN-II in MkV MJOLNIR in a cryotube.

Only one was there mind, but this means that they should ALL be in cryo.



But that's supposed to be John after they picked him up from the Circumfrence mission. (The place is wrong, but it's an easter egg.)


How did the pillar pick him up? He never deployed to the circumference because the Autumn didn't leave the planet until hours after that mission was SUPPOSED to take place. It was on the planet on the 29th, and it doesn't leave until later that day(in the game.)

Argue all you want that it isn't broken, but you're wrong. What you're doing now is nothing more than being like a 6 year old, putting your fingers in your ears, and say "lalalalala." You can ignore the books if you wish, but the people who CARE about the universe are still going to be just as pissed. Bungie's shown with Reach that they don't give a rats ass about us, because if they did, they'd address us instead of acting like everything is perfect.
if anyones being a 6 year old it's you thinking you know everything which you dont!,

you know alot but not all, if you wait and see how bungie can fix this if not nylund it will turn out.
It is Nylund's work that they stepped on and threw out the window. We can't expect him to be able to fix this mess.
But no you ramble on and on how you think you know everythingpWe are working within the boundaries of the canon that we currently know. Again, we don't know everything, but are talking about what we do know.
you didnt create halo you dont know how it all fits, stop trying to think you do, and opinions I have an opinion reach fits over time I hope all the small gapsA full month length, an advance force, 400 extra Covenant ships, and the Pillar of Autumn never landing on Reach are not small gaps.
that we dont know about are filled untill them ill believe what i want.You go ahead and do that. If you excuse me, I'll be over in the other corner where the big boys are talking about timelines and plots that actually make sense.

  • 11.17.2010 5:06 PM PDT

In Soviet Russia you pilot many flying vehicles while Nikolai embarks on crazy journey of revenge filled with movie references....

I'm positive sure in the books Cortana was already onboard the Pillar of Autumn. If Cortana already was onboard, then heading to Sword Base to retrieve Cortana (the underlying mission) doesn't make sense. There's a breach in canon.

Cortana was already the AI onboard the Autumn in Reach, yet somehow Six still had to deliver her to the PoA. That's a gap in canon between the books and the game.

  • 11.17.2010 5:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: MR JOEY BON
I'm positive sure in the books Cortana was already onboard the Pillar of Autumn. If Cortana already was onboard, then heading to Sword Base to retrieve Cortana (the underlying mission) doesn't make sense. There's a breach in canon.

Cortana was already the AI onboard the Autumn in Reach, yet somehow Six still had to deliver her to the PoA. That's a gap in canon between the books and the game.


Ugh, I know this has been answered hundreds of times in other threads before, but I'll bite anyway. This is actually something that is not broken at all, it just isn't explained in the game (because it would just complicate things and wouldn't really be a natural flow of dialogue for Halsey to bother mentioning it to people who don't know anything about Cortana in the first place). In Halsey's Journal (that comes with the Legendary and Collector's Edition(still available in most stores)) she discusses splitting off some subroutines of Cortana for researching the Forerunner artifact they found while keeping the majority of her still with the Chief to do his armor testing (or whatever it is she was doing in the books at that exact time). So that one's actually not a problem at all, and totally explained in the Journal.

  • 11.17.2010 5:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: privet caboose
I want to believe Chief in the cryotube is non-canon.

It's a "move the stick and you see" easter egg like the one from ODST.

The egg in ODST showed Buck picking bugs out of a monkey's hair and going to eat the bug. I'm sure this didn't really happen.

Or the Legendary ending to Halo CE in which you didn't even have to move the stick to see. It was just there, but it was an easter egg for the Legendary ending and clearly not canon. Therefore as CLEARLY established ever since the first game in the series, Easter Eggs are not canon.

  • 11.17.2010 5:51 PM PDT


Posted by: hotshot revan II
August 29 26:16

Noble Six lands and starts fighitng the covies alongside ODST ,then arrives at the entrance of SWORDI'm sure it took like 15 minutes maybe?

But later they arrive in Halsey's lab

Halsey:"Perhaps more.You are to take her to the UNSC ship breaking yards in Aszod.There you will find a Halycon-class cruiser waiting to get her off planet"


This quote i said inside the lab,time is probably between 26:00 and 27,00 or 00:00

That still isn't near 06:00 when Red and Blue were dropped unless it took noble 4-5 hours to enter that lab,the mission itself only has a timespan of 30 minutes on normal

Of the last custcene after the lab took place on 30 August then why didn't bungie put that date later on that cutscene?That's something they did on New Alexandria and LNOS

BTW i found another massive plothole a contradiction between Reach and Halseys journal

August 14 operation uppercut

Cutscene dialog :

Jorge:Pull up surface grid, nineteen-by-twenty-two.
Dot: Gladly. ONI Sword Base: Sector 18-G.
Jorge: Thermal enhance.
Dot: Noble Five, your pulse is elevated. There is nothing you can do for Doctor Halsey and the others inside Sword Base. The mathematics are determinate... Noble Five?



During this cutscene you see 3 plasma explosions,one of them is near SWORD base.When we play the package level we see the damage it did in the background(molten lake of magma)

Halsey was inside SWORD on that day and she couldn't have escpaed SWORD base when the covies just bombarded it.
You could say she escaped but i don't think she would do that to leave the Forerunner data behind while the covies are knocking on door

August 23 (level New Alexandria)

Carter: We're being redeployed back to SWORD base
Jun:Sword? Covenant own it now
Carter: Which is why they want us for a torch and burn op. Kepp Dr Halsy's data abse fall into enemy hands.



Hasley is still in SWORD base

August 29

Still inside sword base

She was stuck between 14 and 29 August in SWORD till Noble resqued her.

But according to the journal she met the other spartan II's on August 27 for her briefing on operation RED flag

How could she talk with her sII on 27 while she was stuck on SWORD between 14 and 29?

She had no way to escape from SWORD because the covenant own it unless she can magically teleport.

Bungie why?Whyyyy?

Why did you guys burned canon?Why do you guys don't give any explanation?At least Frankie talks with the fans at HBO explaining Halo legends canon

*rages*



You fail to take into account the time they spent on the elevator/rail system getting to Halsey's lab, and the journey back to the surface, I can guarantee you that the time it took was much longer than the cut scenes depicted, it's going to take more than a couple minutes to get 2,000 feet underground even with an elevator/rail system, and that thing was not going all that fast. The journey back to the surface would likewise take a while.

In the end cutscene of the Package, judging by the light I'd say it's about 0700 or 0840 at the latest. Dot says that the Autumn is waiting for them, and seeing as it's late morning they've already picked up Chief and the others from the Circumference mission.

We don't know where exactly the Forerunner structure buried under the glacier is in relation to Sword Base, and seeing as Noble Team and Halsey were able to leave it even though the Covenant "owned" the area, if they can slip out, I think it safe to say that Halsey could have gotten out before to brief the SIIs on their mission and then gotten back in to oversee CF (Cortana fragment) and its analysis.

  • 11.17.2010 5:57 PM PDT