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Subject: Why did Bungie not follow the cannon

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
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Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: Killed by Pasta
Posted by: OrderedComa
The SIIIs, from what I have read, were not made solely for fighting the Covenant as you said, they were created to ensure the survival of Humanity, granted their service was devoted for the most part in attacking the Covenant, but they still had other purposes, such as dealing with Insurrectionist activity. Basically they just do whatever mission their CO needs done. I see no reason for why an SIII team would not be called on to attack Insurrectionists, you take what's available to you, and Spartans of either type would do a hell of a better job than any Marine or Army grunt.


There were specifcally designed to take out Covenant High Value Targets. Ackerson said that when he presented his project to ONI leaders.
However, Alpha Company spent more than half their missions fighting insurrectionists, before their military record culminated in the massacre of OPERATION PROMETHEUS. We hear about their operations just before Kurt is debriefed as to PROMETHEUS.

Noble has officer ranks to give them more independcency in the field, and they're army, not Navy, and the whole III program works a little differently than the SII.

Re-read that. It makes no sense.
Well, they work for an army officer (Colonel Holland), and if they were Navy SPARTANS, they would be under ONI control. So Halsey would not need to inform them they 'belonged to ONI' at the end of the game.
However, Warrant Officer, Commander and Lt.Commander are all Navy ranks, and they are under command of the mainline UNSC Army.

So it is not clear at all what is going on here.

[Edited on 11.19.2010 1:41 PM PST]

  • 11.19.2010 1:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Child0fTheMind
Posted by: OrderedComa
It would seem from your post that you're like me and have a little bit more than basic knowledge of the canon of the Haloverse, however, quite a few of your bits of evidence are wrong, or misrepresented.


I'm not going to take the time to post the actual book references at this time to prove you wrong with most of your statements. I started too, and once I got to quote 4 I decided that I was wasting too much of my time to prove an already proven point that you are refusing to believe.

All of your responses are guess work being done by you and others to try and fit the game into the canon. The point of the matter is that none of the inconsistencies are covered in any official material, and so are left as inconsistencies no matter what reasoning one can think for them to fit.

I also like the fact that you only went and responded to some of my reasons instead of all. I would assume that you did this because you couldn't think of a rebuttal for them. What you are mainly missing here is not what was changed, but HOW MANY THINGS WERE CHANGED. If it had been the just the addition of a new race, the extension of the length of the fall of Reach, or SIII's having officer ranks it wouldn't be as bad and would've been more accepted, but not only these were changed but other pieces (both small and huge) of every single book are changed as well.

Every game to date has brought in an inconsistency in some way or another. But they were small and few and were eventually explained off in one piece of Halo material or another. Reach's however and great and many, for them to be explained off in future materials is nonsensical and hard to believe.


Actually 99.9% percent of my rebuttals are based in fact from either Halsey's Journal, or from information Bungie released on this site. There is little to no speculation at all in my post. The vast majority of the "inconsistencies" no longer exist, because they have been addressed in official media, most, if not all were addressed in Halsey's Journal.

I only responded to the points you made that i had information to counter with; like I insinuated in my post, I only have a little more than basic knowledge about the majority of the Haloverse, my knowledge is mainly limited to the time period around Reach. And I combined several points into one rebuttal of your evidence. Why does changing things matter, as long as they get fixed? TFoR is the only book that is affected by the changes Reach made, and all the changes did was extend the battle and maybe rearrange the timing of events.

Key word being eventually, Reach hasn't been out long enough for everything to be set completely right. I find it quite easy to believe that anything wrong with the timeline still can easily be fixed, heck, if guys like me can come up with theories that explain everything away, then Bungie/343i or whoever gets licensed to work in some Halo subject can just as easily fix it. There's nothing nonsensical about it either, anything that hasn't been fixed yet will be in time, we just have to give them that.

[Edited on 11.19.2010 1:46 PM PST]

  • 11.19.2010 1:44 PM PDT


Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: Killed by Pasta
Posted by: OrderedComa
The SIIIs, from what I have read, were not made solely for fighting the Covenant as you said, they were created to ensure the survival of Humanity, granted their service was devoted for the most part in attacking the Covenant, but they still had other purposes, such as dealing with Insurrectionist activity. Basically they just do whatever mission their CO needs done. I see no reason for why an SIII team would not be called on to attack Insurrectionists, you take what's available to you, and Spartans of either type would do a hell of a better job than any Marine or Army grunt.


There were specifcally designed to take out Covenant High Value Targets. Ackerson said that when he presented his project to ONI leaders.
However, Alpha Company spent more than half their missions fighting insurrectionists, before their military record culminated in the massacre of OPERATION PROMETHEUS. We hear about their operations just before Kurt is debriefed as to PROMETHEUS.

Noble has officer ranks to give them more independcency in the field, and they're army, not Navy, and the whole III program works a little differently than the SII.

Re-read that. It makes no sense.
Well, they work for an army officer (Colonel Holland), and if they were Navy SPARTANS, they would be under ONI control. So Halsey would not need to inform them they 'belonged to ONI' at the end of the game.
However, Warrant Officer, Commander and Lt.Commander are all Navy ranks, and they are under command of the mainline UNSC Army.

So it is not clear at all what is going on here.


I believe what she says is "you belong to ONI now" I could be wrong though, I haven't played campaign in a while.

Navy and Army have quite a few of the same ranks at least in name, I believe, like both have sergeants, privates, captains, and then some of the higher ranks in the Reach ranking system are strictly army, like General, Lt. Colonel., and Major, the only ones that I would even consider being navy is Commander. And I didn't see any Lt. Commander, and I just looked through the rank list for Reach.
Noble being army, they have army ranks.

  • 11.20.2010 8:49 AM PDT

Dianna Agron is the epitome of perfection.

Quinntology.

Some of you are going to extremes to try and make the game work with the books. It doesn't. Stop trying. I'll give you one example that completely breaks the second half of the story of First Strike and the first half of Ghosts of Onyx. ONE EXAMPLE blows apart the plot of about the length of a book.

Halsey FIRST learns of the SPARTAN III's in a file named "S-III and King Under the Mountain" on page 129 of First Strike. After examining the files, Halsey asks the question to herself "What the hell was he up to?" Now, for those of you who want to try desperately to believe that Haley already knew about the SPARTAN III's, she would have made the connection then and there. But instead, she gathers more information later on and arrives at a conclusion in the beginning of Ghosts of Onyx. Which renders about a book's worth of information obsolete.

  • 11.20.2010 10:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: Killed by Pasta
Some of you are going to extremes to try and make the game work with the books. It doesn't. Stop trying. I'll give you one example that completely breaks the second half of the story of First Strike and the first half of Ghosts of Onyx. ONE EXAMPLE blows apart the plot of about the length of a book.

Halsey FIRST learns of the SPARTAN III's in a file named "S-III and King Under the Mountain" on page 129 of First Strike. After examining the files, Halsey asks the question to herself "What the hell was he up to?" Now, for those of you who want to try desperately to believe that Haley already knew about the SPARTAN III's, she would have made the connection then and there. But instead, she gathers more information later on and arrives at a conclusion in the beginning of Ghosts of Onyx. Which renders about a book's worth of information obsolete.


If only First Strike could get updated to reflect some of this new information. If only Halsey didn't have an S-III tagging along with her, one that could be used in another subplot to arrive at the same ending (Onyx!) through a different path.

... wait a minute.

  • 11.20.2010 10:53 AM PDT


Posted by: Killed by Pasta
Some of you are going to extremes to try and make the game work with the books. It doesn't. Stop trying. I'll give you one example that completely breaks the second half of the story of First Strike and the first half of Ghosts of Onyx. ONE EXAMPLE blows apart the plot of about the length of a book.

Halsey FIRST learns of the SPARTAN III's in a file named "S-III and King Under the Mountain" on page 129 of First Strike. After examining the files, Halsey asks the question to herself "What the hell was he up to?" Now, for those of you who want to try desperately to believe that Haley already knew about the SPARTAN III's, she would have made the connection then and there. But instead, she gathers more information later on and arrives at a conclusion in the beginning of Ghosts of Onyx. Which renders about a book's worth of information obsolete.


Halsey's Journal fixes any "problems" with her meeting Noble. She meets Noble Team, and then her suspicions are aroused and she starts digging around through files and events play out as in FS and GoO. I would say more, but I can't really make out what you're trying to argue in your post other than Reach destroyed the canon of GoO and part of FS.

  • 11.20.2010 2:21 PM PDT

Dianna Agron is the epitome of perfection.

Quinntology.

The creation of Halsey's journal makes the entire situation twice as bad. It doesn't fix any problems. It just covers them up like a peice of tissue paper.

Halsey first learns of the SPARTAN III program in First Strike. Never beforehand. With the new crappy game called Reach, she somehow knows of them already because Bungie tried too hard to appeal to new players that they forget about all of their die-hard fans.

Reach killed the Halo universe whether you liked it or not.

  • 11.20.2010 3:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Killed by Pasta
The creation of Halsey's journal makes the entire situation twice as bad. It doesn't fix any problems. It just covers them up like a peice of tissue paper.

Halsey first learns of the SPARTAN III program in First Strike. Never beforehand. With the new crappy game called Reach, she somehow knows of them already because Bungie tried too hard to appeal to new players that they forget about all of their die-hard fans.

Reach killed the Halo universe whether you liked it or not.
your being an idiot whether you like it or not, halsey's journal fixes alot of issues,, she didnt know they were spartan 3's all she new was their not hers and their oni's. Meeting noble team convinced her to start digging in first strike which she then found out about the spartan 3's, shes a smart women she would of needed a reason something to make her start looking in first strike, noble team was the something.

  • 11.20.2010 4:05 PM PDT


Noble has officer ranks to give them more independcency in the field, and they're army, not Navy, and the whole III program works a little differently than the SII.

Re-read that. It makes no sense.


I'll admit that was rather poorly implemented, so I went and found the actual wording, I couldn't find the real source, though I'm pretty sure it was Bungie.net, but Halopedia will have to do.

"Noble Team also operated with non-Spartan military personnel more extensively than other Spartan teams. To grant them more operational freedom when interacting with regular military personnel, the members of Noble Team had been given higher ranks than most of the Spartans by their CO."

  • 11.20.2010 7:26 PM PDT

Also Bungie at Comicon were patting themselves on the back for their ability to keep a solid cannon, which at this point they had created the game and knew it would destory reach and following books.

...the books and the game fit perfectly together. Go over the many timelines...they make perfect sense.

  • 11.20.2010 7:27 PM PDT


Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: Killed by Pasta
The creation of Halsey's journal makes the entire situation twice as bad. It doesn't fix any problems. It just covers them up like a peice of tissue paper.

Halsey first learns of the SPARTAN III program in First Strike. Never beforehand. With the new crappy game called Reach, she somehow knows of them already because Bungie tried too hard to appeal to new players that they forget about all of their die-hard fans.

Reach killed the Halo universe whether you liked it or not.
your being an idiot whether you like it or not, halsey's journal fixes alot of issues,, she didnt know they were spartan 3's all she new was their not hers and their oni's. Meeting noble team convinced her to start digging in first strike which she then found out about the spartan 3's, shes a smart women she would of needed a reason something to make her start looking in first strike, noble team was the something.


You are exactly right, Alf. Halsey's Journal does not fix every single thing, but it's a start and smooths over and cleans up the biggest messes, as well as provides more information on some things like the Spartan II program. Have you even read the journal Pasta? And yes, you are being rather idiotic, you are so obsessed with the idea that the canon is completely destroyed and can never be repaired that you are shutting out all logical points or theories from the other side.

  • 11.20.2010 7:31 PM PDT


Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: Killed by Pasta
The creation of Halsey's journal makes the entire situation twice as bad. It doesn't fix any problems. It just covers them up like a peice of tissue paper.

Halsey first learns of the SPARTAN III program in First Strike. Never beforehand. With the new crappy game called Reach, she somehow knows of them already because Bungie tried too hard to appeal to new players that they forget about all of their die-hard fans.

Reach killed the Halo universe whether you liked it or not.
your being an idiot whether you like it or not,.
Be civil about this, please.

halsey's journal fixes alot of issuesIt tries. It's like trying to fit a circle into a hexagon-shaped hole. It may fit, but there will be space left over.

she didnt know they were spartan 3's all she new was their not hers and their oni's. Meeting noble team convinced her to start digging in first strike which she then found out about the spartan 3's, shes a smart women she would of needed a reason something to make her start looking in first strike, noble team was the somethingIf Noble Team had spurred her on to looking up on what was going on, she would have known before the game had finished. If you remember, Cortana is cutting edge technology when it comes to electronic surveillance and espionage. She also had an entire ONI base all to herself, and she is a genius; Cortana was based off of her mind.

  • 11.20.2010 7:32 PM PDT


Posted by: chickenlittle

Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: Killed by Pasta
The creation of Halsey's journal makes the entire situation twice as bad. It doesn't fix any problems. It just covers them up like a peice of tissue paper.

Halsey first learns of the SPARTAN III program in First Strike. Never beforehand. With the new crappy game called Reach, she somehow knows of them already because Bungie tried too hard to appeal to new players that they forget about all of their die-hard fans.

Reach killed the Halo universe whether you liked it or not.
your being an idiot whether you like it or not,.
Be civil about this, please.

halsey's journal fixes alot of issuesIt tries. It's like trying to fit a circle into a hexagon-shaped hole. It may fit, but there will be space left over.

she didnt know they were spartan 3's all she new was their not hers and their oni's. Meeting noble team convinced her to start digging in first strike which she then found out about the spartan 3's, shes a smart women she would of needed a reason something to make her start looking in first strike, noble team was the somethingIf Noble Team had spurred her on to looking up on what was going on, she would have known before the game had finished. If you remember, Cortana is cutting edge technology when it comes to electronic surveillance and espionage. She also had an entire ONI base all to herself, and she is a genius; Cortana was based off of her mind.


true but that wasnt cortana or all of her it was a split copy to stay and study the artifacts under sword base, the real cortana was with the spartan 2's now the copy cortana was smart but even if she new of the spartan 3's it would of been two late cheif would of been in cryo the other spartans would of been on reach with the generators.

cause this cortana the split one would have to combine with the other cortana for it all to mix in, and cortana was smart if she new of the spartan 3's then good but reach was falling i think the saviing human race is more important to a new batch of spartans. and chances are oni didnt keep spartan 3 infomation at castle base, to everyone else, soilders marines, civilians these spartans were normal spartan 2's,

and yes a circle filling in a hexagon but over time the heaxagon will be full, To everyone reading this give it time and every inconsistensy in reach can be fixed, hell ive already fixed it in my mind so if i can do it, bungie, 343 novelists can do it too.



[Edited on 11.20.2010 9:02 PM PST]

  • 11.20.2010 8:58 PM PDT

The best defense is a good one.

this made me angry. they even redid the fall of reach to accomadate with their changes to the storyline.

  • 11.20.2010 9:24 PM PDT

Dianna Agron is the epitome of perfection.

Quinntology.

The reason why I'm angry is because the books are so great and the fact that Bungie didn't decide to follow the books isn't cool. It would not have been hard to have almost the same exact story following 6 SPARTANS in Red Team during Reach's defense. Instead, they choose to take a whole new approach, which doesn't really make much sense to those who have ever picked up The Fall of Reach. I know that Halsey's journal "fixes" some of the problems, but the fact of the matter is that they shouldn't have been problems to fix in the first place.

  • 11.21.2010 9:59 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: OrderedComa
I believe what she says is "you belong to ONI now" I could be wrong though, I haven't played campaign in a while.
That is basically what I said.

Navy and Army have quite a few of the same ranks at least in name, I believe, like both have sergeants, privates, captains, and then some of the higher ranks in the Reach ranking system are strictly army, like General, Lt. Colonel., and Major, the only ones that I would even consider being navy is Commander. And I didn't see any Lt. Commander, and I just looked through the rank list for Reach.
Noble being army, they have army ranks.
Kat is a Lt.Commander and the rank is definitely Navy - in Contact Harvest, the ONI officer is a Lt.Com, as is Fhajad-084, an S-II crippled by the augmentations reassigned within ONI.
I'm very sure the Navy doesn't have the rank of Private, they have Ensigns. The Marines have Privates, and are a division of the Navy.
Instead of Sergeants (which the Marines, again, have), the Navy has Petty Officers. Captains in the Navy are apparently rough equivalents of Army Colonels.
Commander is a rank used in CoD, but it applies to the Navy. James Bond was a Commander in the Royal Navy. I have never heard of Com or LtCom being used in the Army.

  • 11.21.2010 10:26 AM PDT


Posted by: Wesley S Shark
Also Bungie at Comicon were patting themselves on the back for their ability to keep a solid cannon, which at this point they had created the game and knew it would destory reach and following books.

...the books and the game fit perfectly together. Go over the many timelines...they make perfect sense.


"..."

Clearly, you are misguided.

"perfect", ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaahahahahahahahaahah ahahahaahhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

"perfect"
lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll



Dude, you need to give me something of that good stuff you are smoking since you clearly just white-washed the fact that the game's timeline is impossible to fit with the FoR and partially with First Strike and GoO itself.

  • 11.21.2010 10:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: Killed by Pasta
The reason why I'm angry is because the books are so great and the fact that Bungie didn't decide to follow the books isn't cool. It would not have been hard to have almost the same exact story following 6 SPARTANS in Red Team during Reach's defense. Instead, they choose to take a whole new approach, which doesn't really make much sense to those who have ever picked up The Fall of Reach. I know that Halsey's journal "fixes" some of the problems, but the fact of the matter is that they shouldn't have been problems to fix in the first place.


Red Team wouldn't have possibly had the chance to deliver anything to the PoA. That's the only possible reason to make a prequel as the last game, to go full circle.

Also, Red Team's limited actions during FoR and FS wouldn't translate well into game form. You'd have to add bits to make it work, then we'd be right back here complaining about altered canon once more.

  • 11.21.2010 11:07 AM PDT

"Be Silent and Swift..."

One of these days Bungie needs to post a Top Story on the homepage that connects all of the dots and eliminates speculation.

  • 11.21.2010 2:49 PM PDT


Posted by: A Puzzled Mind

Posted by: Wesley S Shark
Also Bungie at Comicon were patting themselves on the back for their ability to keep a solid cannon, which at this point they had created the game and knew it would destory reach and following books.

...the books and the game fit perfectly together. Go over the many timelines...they make perfect sense.


"..."

Clearly, you are misguided.

"perfect", ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaahahahahahahahaahah ahahahaahhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

"perfect"
lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll



Dude, you need to give me something of that good stuff you are smoking since you clearly just white-washed the fact that the game's timeline is impossible to fit with the FoR and partially with First Strike and GoO itself.
ok then tell us whats not perfect? and dont say this BS with spartan 3's were on GoO or something you say that and Many of us will laugh at your stupidity, why? well look through the thread,

if you say POA wasnt on reach well guess what as the spartans jumped and chief and his team were on their space Op POA had time to get onto reach pick the cortana FRAGMENT! up and go get chief and linda, the how was a ADVANCE PARTY of covenant able to stay on ONE CONTINENT throughout the month is simple, Oni if i was them and a advance team was on just one continent and we had resources to destroy them not to cause panick

I would keep it quiet and if someone thinks it by God it can happen, it happens all the time in real life so why not in a Game?

[Edited on 11.21.2010 3:02 PM PST]

  • 11.21.2010 2:59 PM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob

Posted by: Killed by Pasta
The reason why I'm angry is because the books are so great and the fact that Bungie didn't decide to follow the books isn't cool. It would not have been hard to have almost the same exact story following 6 SPARTANS in Red Team during Reach's defense. Instead, they choose to take a whole new approach, which doesn't really make much sense to those who have ever picked up The Fall of Reach. I know that Halsey's journal "fixes" some of the problems, but the fact of the matter is that they shouldn't have been problems to fix in the first place.


Red Team wouldn't have possibly had the chance to deliver anything to the PoA. That's the only possible reason to make a prequel as the last game, to go full circle.

Also, Red Team's limited actions during FoR and FS wouldn't translate well into game form. You'd have to add bits to make it work, then we'd be right back here complaining about altered canon once more.
If they condensed Noble Team's actions into a more believable 4-6 days, and condensed the entire Fall of Reach into just 4-5 days (with a level or two involving insurrectionists as well), that wouldn't be too bad.

Then, we can have an ODST-style narrative, where you play as the various groups of Red Team, who find clues to Noble's activities a la ODST.
I've mentioned this before, but I feel I'm one of a minority of the few people who enjoyed the ODST campaign.

  • 11.21.2010 3:00 PM PDT


Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: A Puzzled Mind

Posted by: Wesley S Shark
Also Bungie at Comicon were patting themselves on the back for their ability to keep a solid cannon, which at this point they had created the game and knew it would destory reach and following books.

...the books and the game fit perfectly together. Go over the many timelines...they make perfect sense.


"..."

Clearly, you are misguided.

"perfect", ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaahahahahahahahaahah ahahahaahhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

"perfect"
lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll



Dude, you need to give me something of that good stuff you are smoking since you clearly just white-washed the fact that the game's timeline is impossible to fit with the FoR and partially with First Strike and GoO itself.
ok then tell us whats not perfect? and dont say this BS with spartan 3's were on GoO or something you say that and Many of us will laugh at your stupidity, why? well look through the thread,

if you say POA wasnt on reach well guess what as the spartans jumped and chief and his team were on their space Op POA had time to get onto reach pick the cortana FRAGMENT! up and go get chief and linda, the how was a ADVANCE PARTY of covenant able to stay on ONE CONTINENT throughout the month is simple, Oni if i was them and a advance team was on just one continent and we had resources to destroy them not to cause panick

I would keep it quiet and if someone thinks it by God it can happen, it happens all the time in real life so why not in a Game?


Lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Is that the best BS you can come up with? LOLLLLLLLLLL

If what you are suggesting happened, Halo now has the most incompetent military in human history.

  • 11.21.2010 3:30 PM PDT


Posted by: A Puzzled Mind

Posted by: Alf stewert

Posted by: A Puzzled Mind

Posted by: Wesley S Shark
Also Bungie at Comicon were patting themselves on the back for their ability to keep a solid cannon, which at this point they had created the game and knew it would destory reach and following books.

...the books and the game fit perfectly together. Go over the many timelines...they make perfect sense.


"..."

Clearly, you are misguided.

"perfect", ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaahahahahahahahaahah ahahahaahhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

"perfect"
lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll



Dude, you need to give me something of that good stuff you are smoking since you clearly just white-washed the fact that the game's timeline is impossible to fit with the FoR and partially with First Strike and GoO itself.
ok then tell us whats not perfect? and dont say this BS with spartan 3's were on GoO or something you say that and Many of us will laugh at your stupidity, why? well look through the thread,

if you say POA wasnt on reach well guess what as the spartans jumped and chief and his team were on their space Op POA had time to get onto reach pick the cortana FRAGMENT! up and go get chief and linda, the how was a ADVANCE PARTY of covenant able to stay on ONE CONTINENT throughout the month is simple, Oni if i was them and a advance team was on just one continent and we had resources to destroy them not to cause panick

I would keep it quiet and if someone thinks it by God it can happen, it happens all the time in real life so why not in a Game?


Lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Is that the best BS you can come up with? LOLLLLLLLLLL

If what you are suggesting happened, Halo now has the most incompetent military in human history.
all i see is you being childish I dont see yout facts of broken canon so please enlighten me

  • 11.21.2010 4:35 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Posted by: Killed by Pasta
The reason why I'm angry is because the books are so great and the fact that Bungie didn't decide to follow the books isn't cool. It would not have been hard to have almost the same exact story following 6 SPARTANS in Red Team during Reach's defense. Instead, they choose to take a whole new approach, which doesn't really make much sense to those who have ever picked up The Fall of Reach. I know that Halsey's journal "fixes" some of the problems, but the fact of the matter is that they shouldn't have been problems to fix in the first place.


I'm on the exact same boat as you. It's truly a shame that it came down to this. Especially being Bungie's last Halo Game.

They could have tied all the loose ends. Filled Nostalgia for the fans that stuck with them with the game/books of 2001.Ended on the best terms...

Instead we got something that was catered for an audience of another game. We all know what that game is.The funny thing is the audience has moved on to that game now which leaves the real fans.....

looking at spilled milk.

It's all about money. Sadly it's time to grow up. They sold out.

Bungie was never really a company that cared about fans after the end of H3. It's all about the money. Everything they do now etc, map packs, is for money.

I've been on this site since 2001, my reg date is later since i had no email made since then, and when you went on to it you knew they cared about their game.

Christ!, They had a written legendary walk through that i used. It had described word for word the whole adventure through. Where else could you find a game developer doing that. They had weekly updates since then for god sakes, talking about stuff that was not only just halo. Now it's just, map packs this map packs that.

The glory days are dead. It died with H3. I know i went off topic. Still it fcking sucks what happened.

  • 11.21.2010 4:58 PM PDT

Enlighten you?

That would be a waste of my time, trying to argue with someone as slow as you are.

Instead, you should read the 30 page thread on why Halo broke canon, but you're too much of a Bungie fanboy who clearly can't admit the fact that the Halo:Reach totally f-ed the previous timeline.

  • 11.21.2010 6:10 PM PDT