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Subject: MA37 ICWS AR. It should take 16 rounds to kill
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I think the damage of all non PWs should go up. AR, PP, DMR, NR, pistol, repeater etc.

  • 11.16.2010 11:24 AM PDT

I'd definitely like to see the AR's damage go up a bit, it just feels so underpowered. Using the DMR is just a much better alternative at the moment. Turn up the damage, and tighten up the bloom on it a little bit may help.

I'd also like to see it's accuracy go up for quick, mid-range bursts, just enough to perhaps take someone's shield off before reloading, with decent aim. Same with the plasma repeater, it's bolts are just too slow and inaccurate to make it useful for anything but ripping through shields at close range, for which there are lots of other weapons to do that.

  • 11.16.2010 11:35 AM PDT
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What no!! It would be like halo 3 all over again! The AR is fine, it kills fast and has got a decent range too. If it were 16 shots to kill then the reach matchmaking would be AR action all the time, wich I would find pretty damn lame. The OP AR and BR ruined h3 MM. Make the Repeater into 16 shots kill instead, it needs some buffing not the AR!

[Edited on 11.16.2010 11:42 AM PST]

  • 11.16.2010 11:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: ArcherBlade
We cant have it too powerful though, then everyone would spawn with a power weapon that kills easy. I'd like it too have a few more rounds but I doubt that will happen.


Um... Do you remember the Halo 3 BR?


I killed people in close quarters when they had a BR when I had a AR quite a few times I remember, unless they were beast with it of course. Learn to use rapid movements and your a harder target for Rifle weapons. I think the AR is fine except that I wouldn't mind a few more rounds in it per clip.

[Edited on 11.16.2010 11:44 AM PST]

  • 11.16.2010 11:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: eeeeessss veeee
I think the damage of all non PWs should go up. AR, PP, DMR, NR, pistol, repeater etc.



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  • 11.16.2010 11:44 AM PDT

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apart from the AR takes no skill to use. And giving more powerful rush, spray and pray weapons to noobs is not a good idea. its already annoying as it is when some noob charges round a corner just holding down the trigger and getting a very easy kill before you can wipe his shields hitting every DMR shot.
Give them more powerful weapons and itll happen all the time instead of once in a rare while

  • 11.16.2010 11:46 AM PDT
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The repeater needs more power NOT the assault rifle.

  • 11.16.2010 11:47 AM PDT

I just found out the AR is able to kill in 16 rounds if you put the damage to 110%. The DMR and pistol are unchanged this way while giving a minor boost to the AR.

  • 11.16.2010 11:50 AM PDT

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yes please, just make it into a halo 3 AR aka the ma5c icws. that gun was my favorite, now its inacurate, low damage garbage. bring back the beast AR

EDIT: or if that defys cannon make it the ma2b, aka the ma5 carbine version, which acoording to halopedia means it has 48ish rounds and higher rate of fire plus lower acuracy

[Edited on 11.16.2010 11:55 AM PST]

  • 11.16.2010 11:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: xAT 117x
apart from the AR takes no skill to use. And giving more powerful rush, spray and pray weapons to noobs is not a good idea. its already annoying as it is when some noob charges round a corner just holding down the trigger and getting a very easy kill before you can wipe his shields hitting every DMR shot.
Give them more powerful weapons and itll happen all the time instead of once in a rare while


dude, thats the thing, its too weak to get a kill anywhere, and in non dmr gametypes thats frustraiting dmr is supposed to be long range only, and without halo 3 AR all is lost

  • 11.16.2010 11:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: RIZEUTO
Do you agree with this change?

No.

The AR is designed as a one kill with three fourths of the mag because it's a starting weapon.

This gives it stand off power with other weapons found across the map while making it not quite as good as those weapons so your encouraged to go actively hunting for them.

And I've yet to see AR Start gametypes devolve into boxing matches. So I don't think that it's RoF is too low. And besides, the melee system should be adjusted for gameplay on a whole, and this will affect the AR, so your change might be excessive.

  • 11.16.2010 11:57 AM PDT

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Posted by: RIZEUTO
Do you agree with this change?

the melee system should be adjusted for gameplay on a whole, and this will affect the AR, so your change might be excessive.


The thing is, pro AR user use it at medium range and I don't think you can melee at this range.

( I get your point though, for people that are not experienced with fps or that use AR at close range )

  • 11.16.2010 12:09 PM PDT

Why don't we go chill out some burgers on the chill grill bro?

I Agree, this should also be applied to the repeater. both are too weak to want to use at any given moment.

  • 11.16.2010 12:19 PM PDT
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This is the worst idea I've ever heard in my life. Maybe you could just learn to shoot AND move at the same time, that way you don't need a more powerful burst to take people out.

  • 11.16.2010 12:19 PM PDT

16 shot kill and 60 round clip. Keep the slow rate of fire so that it doesn't end up like the original AR(I loved it, but people would -blam!- saying that it's over powered)

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  • 11.16.2010 12:22 PM PDT

I'm fine with it as it is.

  • 11.16.2010 12:27 PM PDT
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Exactly, people usualy just stop reading when it's about the assault rifle. I want the legend, the icon, to live on. This isn't what the final AR from bungie should look like :D

  • 11.16.2010 1:33 PM PDT

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I am happy with the MA37 Individual Combat Weapon System Assault Rifle as it is.

  • 11.16.2010 1:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Gunny Wolfe
yes please, just make it into a halo 3 AR aka the ma5c icws. that gun was my favorite, now its inacurate, low damage garbage. bring back the beast AR

EDIT: or if that defys cannon make it the ma2b, aka the ma5 carbine version, which acoording to halopedia means it has 48ish rounds and higher rate of fire plus lower acuracy


That's called an SMG

  • 11.16.2010 1:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: MATO
The repeater needs more power NOT the assault rifle.


Wut u smokin' bro? Seriously now, the repeater drops shields faster than the AR, and already has a good ROF.

It is the cause of the new AR Rush (PR rush in this case.). Just drop the shields with plasma and smash em with a melee.

And you want THAT to be more powerfull.

The AR needs to be beefed up, about the PR.... not so sure.

  • 11.16.2010 1:42 PM PDT

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16 round kills would make it a god weapon, but the damage could be upped a little sure. Taking a full mag to kill people is not acceptable, the gun isn't worth bothering with. I wouldn't mind the gun killing comfortably in 2/3 of a magazine, that way you have some spare bullets to start on your next target but you can't dominate 2 guys without reloading.

  • 11.16.2010 1:42 PM PDT
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Posted by: I Judge Bread I
16 round kills would make it a god weapon, but the damage could be upped a little sure. Taking a full mag to kill people is not acceptable, the gun isn't worth bothering with. I wouldn't mind the gun killing comfortably in 2/3 of a magazine, that way you have some spare bullets to start on your next target but you can't dominate 2 guys without reloading.

It already kills with 18 rounds- and it feels like it shoots hot popcorn. If it gets upgraded to 16 rounds to kill it would be perfect.

The AR ALWAYS MISSES AT LEAST ONE BULLET. So it would be very hard to kill 2 guys, and if someone does that, they damn well deserve it.

By putting it down to 16, you would just upgrade the effectiveness of bursts, rewarding skill with an iconic Halo weapon.

  • 11.16.2010 1:49 PM PDT

I don't know. I understand that the AR is meant for CQB, but I can't decide, because I usually end up playing DMR or Sniper gametypes.

  • 11.16.2010 1:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: I Judge Bread I
16 round kills would make it a god weapon, but the damage could be upped a little sure. Taking a full mag to kill people is not acceptable, the gun isn't worth bothering with. I wouldn't mind the gun killing comfortably in 2/3 of a magazine, that way you have some spare bullets to start on your next target but you can't dominate 2 guys without reloading.

It already kills with 18 rounds- and it feels like it shoots hot popcorn. If it gets upgraded to 16 rounds to kill it would be perfect.

The AR ALWAYS MISSES AT LEAST ONE BULLET. So it would be very hard to kill 2 guys, and if someone does that, they damn well deserve it.

By putting it down to 16, you would just upgrade the effectiveness of bursts, rewarding skill with an iconic Halo weapon.


Would making the bloom tighter not help this? As soon as you fire 3 bullets the bloom is fully expanded, it would be nice if it would stay very close for about 9 rounds, that way burst firing will be significantly rewarded over spraying.

  • 11.16.2010 1:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: I Judge Bread I
16 round kills would make it a god weapon, but the damage could be upped a little sure. Taking a full mag to kill people is not acceptable, the gun isn't worth bothering with. I wouldn't mind the gun killing comfortably in 2/3 of a magazine, that way you have some spare bullets to start on your next target but you can't dominate 2 guys without reloading.

It already kills with 18 rounds- and it feels like it shoots hot popcorn. If it gets upgraded to 16 rounds to kill it would be perfect.

The AR ALWAYS MISSES AT LEAST ONE BULLET. So it would be very hard to kill 2 guys, and if someone does that, they damn well deserve it.

By putting it down to 16, you would just upgrade the effectiveness of bursts, rewarding skill with an iconic Halo weapon.


Would making the bloom tighter not help this? As soon as you fire 3 bullets the bloom is fully expanded, it would be nice if it would stay very close for about 9 rounds, that way burst firing will be significantly rewarded over spraying.


Hmm, yes, it would wouldn't it :)

I'm just used to shorter bursts anyway though, so it never crossed my mind :) Perhaps with that, and maybe, just maybe a higher rate of fire, it could be perfect :)

  • 11.16.2010 1:56 PM PDT