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Subject: MA37 ICWS AR. It should take 16 rounds to kill

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  • 12.07.2010 4:37 AM PDT
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I'm indifferent about this, You get enough ammo for it then use it, Isn't the AR a Hit-scan weapon? so it has an advantage over say the Covenant counter part, Plasma Repeater.

  • 12.07.2010 4:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: Emperor7928
I'm indifferent about this, You get enough ammo for it then use it, Isn't the AR a Hit-scan weapon? so it has an advantage over say the Covenant counter part, Plasma Repeater.


The plasma repeater is useless in Elite Slayr, though....

That's a problem for another thread though.

The AR is weak, and it is supposed to be the underdog, but not useless whatsoever.

  • 12.07.2010 10:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: mlp256
Personally I would say increase magazine size to 60 rounds per clip. I say this as the main reason I die when I RARELY use the AR, is because I have to reload. I do not feel the damage needs to be increased though.


That is because you aren't skilled with it, as you have no experience.

If you knew how to burst fire, you wouldn't have to reload, but the kill time is too slow.

The only logical way to fix it that rewards actually aiming, and controlling your weapon is increasing the damage it does per round.

  • 12.07.2010 10:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: Schlatter493
MA5B, anyone?

Personally, I agree. Just a few small tweaks here and there, and we'll have a very viable spawn weapon.


Not sure about the MA5B in MM. It's like an OP SMG.

I'd like to see a damage per round increase :)

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Posted by: mlp256
Personally I would say increase magazine size to 60 rounds per clip. I say this as the main reason I die when I RARELY use the AR, is because I have to reload. I do not feel the damage needs to be increased though.


That is because you aren't skilled with it, as you have no experience.

If you knew how to burst fire, you wouldn't have to reload, but the kill time is too slow.

The only logical way to fix it that rewards actually aiming, and controlling your weapon is increasing the damage it does per round.


Also being able to actually win against a non AR user would make it alot more appealing.

  • 12.07.2010 1:43 PM PDT
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This thread here just goes to prove that the community agrees that the AR is preety much useless at the moment.

This change needs to be implemented.

Increasing the damage per round so that the AR kills in 16 shots.

  • 12.07.2010 2:27 PM PDT

I agree, and I think that the increase in power would significantly reduce the effectiveness of the double beatdown. It would promote more gunplay and less sprint+beatdown+sprint+beatdown.

  • 12.07.2010 5:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: direwolf5a
I agree, and I think that the increase in power would significantly reduce the effectiveness of the double beatdown. It would promote more gunplay and less sprint+beatdown+sprint+beatdown.


Which is the point- rewarding skill and increasing effectiveness.

Also, no one likes double beatdowns, right :)

  • 12.08.2010 12:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: mlp256
Personally I would say increase magazine size to 60 rounds per clip. I say this as the main reason I die when I RARELY use the AR, is because I have to reload. I do not feel the damage needs to be increased though.


Lack of experience. Try burst firing, so as not to miss your shots.

Problem is, that even this way it's really ineffective. SO the logical fix that rewards aiming, marksmanship and skill- would be to increase the damage per round.

  • 12.08.2010 3:29 AM PDT

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If this was to happen I could just as well consider trading the game in.

  • 12.08.2010 3:51 AM PDT

I think that the AR represents the lowest possible weapon, both in terms of results obtainable and skill required*. It's the baseline for all weapons, it says "this is what you need to better than if you want to be at least somewhat viable". It's the first weapon most players feel in their hands and a great tool for them, because of it's simplicity and usability. That said, I also see why it has to be worse than any weapon requiring even a bit more skill. E.g. If the AR could out run the magnum for a kill, even only at close range, the magnum would be totally awful (as no matter how good you were with the magnum, you know you'd lose to someone at close range if they had an AR).

Therefore I completely approve of the way things are at the moment and want no changes to the AR at all.


*:I'm not saying this is a constant, for example sometimes you will need more skill with the AR than a quick rocket kill requires, but on average, you just keep them in the center of your screen and fire, bursting if need be. Too Simple.

  • 12.08.2010 3:58 AM PDT

<(-_-)> Teh mokey is not amused

AR is fine buff the plasma repeater!

  • 12.08.2010 4:01 AM PDT

Yumzor

tl;dr
but judging by your title I must say,"YOUR ABILITY TO USE WIKIPEDIA IS ASTOUNDING!"

  • 12.08.2010 4:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: Shotgun fun 101
tl;dr
but judging by your title I must say,"YOUR ABILITY TO USE WIKIPEDIA IS ASTOUNDING!"


I used the Reach manual, and Halopedia as an information source.

  • 12.08.2010 4:36 AM PDT
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Posted by: Magpie842
I think that the AR represents the lowest possible weapon, both in terms of results obtainable and skill required*. It's the baseline for all weapons, it says "this is what you need to better than if you want to be at least somewhat viable". It's the first weapon most players feel in their hands and a great tool for them, because of it's simplicity and usability. That said, I also see why it has to be worse than any weapon requiring even a bit more skill. E.g. If the AR could out run the magnum for a kill, even only at close range, the magnum would be totally awful (as no matter how good you were with the magnum, you know you'd lose to someone at close range if they had an AR).

Therefore I completely approve of the way things are at the moment and want no changes to the AR at all.


*:I'm not saying this is a constant, for example sometimes you will need more skill with the AR than a quick rocket kill requires, but on average, you just keep them in the center of your screen and fire, bursting if need be. Too Simple.



The Magnum user should back away, and with the proposed change would still win.

The AR, if sprayed, even if it kills in only 12 shots, would still be terible because of inacuracy.

Knowing the correct bursts at the correct range requires skill.

These changes would not give power to the noobs, but rather help skilled players have the option to use the AR.

EDIT: Besides, I'm sick of using the DMR all the time- I'd like an usefull automatic weapon, and I don't like the Needle Rifle's style (same as with the covenant carbine).

[Edited on 12.08.2010 4:42 AM PST]

  • 12.08.2010 4:38 AM PDT

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This is a must!!! Bungie needs to do this already.

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Posted by: SubtleSpartan
AR is fine buff the plasma repeater!


Buffing the PR (since it's a plasma weapon which is good against shields) would result in PR rushing. Maybe only for Elite Slayer. Kill times are too long unleass we are talking about stickies ..... *shivers.

  • 12.08.2010 4:44 AM PDT

I would love to have my beloved AR back. Just because. They are so epic.

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Posted by: spartanlazer10
This is a must!!! Bungie needs to do this already.

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Posted by: Blake Corbin
I would love to have my beloved AR back. Just because. They are so epic.


Among a a sea of other reasons.

I just hate to see a weapon with potential go to waste.

  • 12.08.2010 3:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: spartanlazer10
This is a must!!! Bungie needs to do this already.

  • 12.08.2010 3:59 PM PDT

Halo CE Glory of 60 bullets please.

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Posted by: Sundossa
Halo CE Glory of 60 bullets please.


That may have worked in Campaign, and would've been good in Reach's Campaign and FF as well.

But for MM, I think that would promote spraying, and would still have ineffective rounds.

If it's RoF was increased as well, it would be an over powered SMG (not good).



The option that rewards skill, is to give it a small damage increase, by increasing the damage of each individual round.

That would reward aiming, know which bursts to use at which range, and increase it's offensive power enough, so that it isn't called useless.

  • 12.09.2010 1:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: Shotgun fun 101
tl;dr
but judging by your title I must say,"YOUR ABILITY TO USE WIKIPEDIA IS ASTOUNDING!"


The title says it all if you didn't read.

The post just explains my logic.

  • 12.09.2010 3:03 AM PDT