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Subject: MA37 ICWS AR. It should take 16 rounds to kill
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For gods sake keep the AR as it is! If it were 16 shots kill reach would be like Halo 3 all over again! Only AR kills everywhere and you wouldn't stand a chance against the AR with another automatic weapon or pistol

  • 12.10.2010 12:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: MATO
For gods sake keep the AR as it is! If it were 16 shots kill reach would be like Halo 3 all over again! Only AR kills everywhere and you wouldn't stand a chance against the AR with another automatic weapon or pistol


There is only one other automatic weapon you use, the PR.

There wouldn't be any AR rushing because of the melee system and the slower RoF.

This would only increase the effectiveness of burst firing.

  • 12.10.2010 12:13 PM PDT

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The majority of forum voters agree that the AR needs some kind of buff

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  • 12.10.2010 12:14 PM PDT


Posted by: RIZEUTO

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Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
Yes.

It should also be a little less accurate, but recover much faster once you stop shooting, further rewarding quick bursts.

The Plasma repeater also needs a damage boost.

Actually, every weapon needs a damage boost, so they can compete with the Needle Rifle and the DMR.


Kill times are slower in Reach, but the AR is the slowest of the lot!

And about your bloom proposition- it's a good idea :)


No, the kill times of the DMR, Needle rifle, and assault rifle are nearly identical when fired at their maximum rate. The assault rifle, however, can kill faster than both the needle rifle and DMR if all three aren't letting their reticules expand.


But the AR is far less accurate, and offers no headshot multiplier.


The AR is more accurate than the pistol if fired in 2-shot bursts and headshots were taken into account when I compared the kill times.

  • 12.10.2010 12:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: SolidStrelok
The majority of forum voters agree that the AR needs some kind of buff

*cough* Bungie *cough*

  • 12.10.2010 1:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wobbly_guy

Posted by: RIZEUTO

Posted by: Wobbly_guy

Posted by: RIZEUTO

Posted by: TW InKoGnIto
Yes.

It should also be a little less accurate, but recover much faster once you stop shooting, further rewarding quick bursts.

The Plasma repeater also needs a damage boost.

Actually, every weapon needs a damage boost, so they can compete with the Needle Rifle and the DMR.


Kill times are slower in Reach, but the AR is the slowest of the lot!

And about your bloom proposition- it's a good idea :)


No, the kill times of the DMR, Needle rifle, and assault rifle are nearly identical when fired at their maximum rate. The assault rifle, however, can kill faster than both the needle rifle and DMR if all three aren't letting their reticules expand.


But the AR is far less accurate, and offers no headshot multiplier.


The AR is more accurate than the pistol if fired in 2-shot bursts and headshots were taken into account when I compared the kill times.


Then I guess we have a slight misunderstanding here.

What do you coun't as the optimal firing rate for the AR, and if not full auto- how much time between each burst? And also at which range are we talking about (for comparisons, range must be constant - the same for both weapons).

At close range, at full auto it is supposed to have a much faster kill time than the DMR, spammed 5 shot kill.

At further ranges, it should be able to hold it's own at mid range, but being inferior to the DMR, while being completely outclassed at long range.

  • 12.10.2010 1:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: RIZEUTO

Posted by: SolidStrelok
The majority of forum voters agree that the AR needs some kind of buff

*cough* Bungie *cough*


More specifically, as Bungie hates to read forums, as they stated during the Beta, but would rather get to the point,


IT NEEDS A DAMAGE PER ROUND BUFF!

  • 12.10.2010 2:38 PM PDT

What you're doing is still bumping.

  • 12.10.2010 2:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Berserker DtM
What you're doing is still bumping.


I apologize. But would you kindly post your thoughts on this?

  • 12.10.2010 2:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: RhinoVB117
I remember in Halo 3 I would always stick with my AR. I could consistently beat a BR user with it when in mid-closer range combat. But now it's like unless they don't see you first, you might as well just shoot yourself in the head and get it over with. If the weapons in Reach are supposedly based on distance, then AR should always win at the range it was meant for. You should NOT be able to kill someone easily in CQB with a weapon made for almost sniper range combat. I think the AR could use a damage increase and possibly even 2 more rounds per magazine.


I don't find the extra 2 rounds necessary, but the damage upgrade is a must!

That's the whole point, why put a weapon in the game which is only there to promote pressing Y at the start of the game?

It should be more firmly grounded in it's place in the sandbox.

  • 12.10.2010 4:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: SolidStrelok
The majority of forum voters agree that the AR needs some kind of buff

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  • 12.11.2010 2:17 AM PDT
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You know, I agree with this thread. It's only two less rounds to take someone down, but you don't have to worry about it being overpowered. I mean, most people don't hit every round when they use the assault rifle anyway. It's damn near useless in reach, and that's a shame, as it's the default weapon half the time. It's not like people are going to throw away their favorite weapons in favor of an assault rifle if it's power is upped a bit.

  • 12.11.2010 2:32 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rylite
You know, I agree with this thread. It's only two less rounds to take someone down, but you don't have to worry about it being overpowered. I mean, most people don't hit every round when they use the assault rifle anyway. It's damn near useless in reach, and that's a shame, as it's the default weapon half the time. It's not like people are going to throw away their favorite weapons in favor of an assault rifle if it's power is upped a bit.


Exactly :)

It wouldn't encourage spraying, but rather skillfuly using the correct bursts, and opening up on full auto at near shotgun range (up your face range).

It wouldn't be OP, as the change would be small, but large enough to make the AR have a place in the sandbox (other than on the ground, swapped out).

  • 12.11.2010 2:34 AM PDT

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i wouldn't mind the assualt rifle being improved but if anything does it's the plasma repeater. me and my friend compared kill times and the assualt rifle always wins. the plasma rifle is about the same.

in short. Make assualt rifle a little better, make plasma repeater a LOT better (or replce with plasma rifle)

  • 12.11.2010 2:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: chrismcw
i wouldn't mind the assualt rifle being improved but if anything does it's the plasma repeater. me and my friend compared kill times and the assualt rifle always wins. the plasma rifle is about the same.

in short. Make assualt rifle a little better, make plasma repeater a LOT better (or replce with plasma rifle)


The plasma repeater is strong, it's just really inaccurate. It's probably meant for closer range as well. Then again, what do I know, I hardly pick up the damn thing.

[Edited on 12.11.2010 2:55 AM PST]

  • 12.11.2010 2:55 AM PDT

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Posted by: chrismcw
i wouldn't mind the assualt rifle being improved but if anything does it's the plasma repeater. me and my friend compared kill times and the assualt rifle always wins. the plasma rifle is about the same.

in short. Make assualt rifle a little better, make plasma repeater a LOT better (or replce with plasma rifle)


The plasma repeater is strong, it's just really inaccurate. It's probably meant for closer range as well. Then again, what do I know, I hardly pick up the damn thing.


that's why the plasma rifle would be a better equivelent. the bolts are more acurate but they travel through the air much slower than bullets and do about the same damage.

assault rifle needs a bigger clip.

  • 12.11.2010 2:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: chrismcw
i wouldn't mind the assualt rifle being improved but if anything does it's the plasma repeater. me and my friend compared kill times and the assualt rifle always wins. the plasma rifle is about the same.

in short. Make assualt rifle a little better, make plasma repeater a LOT better (or replce with plasma rifle)


The plasma repeater is strong, it's just really inaccurate. It's probably meant for closer range as well. Then again, what do I know, I hardly pick up the damn thing.


that's why the plasma rifle would be a better equivelent. the bolts are more acurate but they travel through the air much slower than bullets and do about the same damage.

assault rifle needs a bigger clip.


A bigger magasine will lead to spraying, while making it a no more appealing weapon to skilled players than it is at the moment.

It needs a damage upgrade, so that people care about aiming, and that it can actualy be a viable weapon choice.

  • 12.11.2010 7:07 AM PDT

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I don't think damage's the only problem.
The assault rifle is significantly more accurate than in H3, at least if you burst fire but it still really isn't enough to be a real primary weapon.

It wouldn't hurt if it had a scope like the silenced SMG in ODST either...

  • 12.11.2010 7:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: kil1ertomatog
I don't think damage's the only problem.
The assault rifle is significantly more accurate than in H3, at least if you burst fire but it still really isn't enough to be a real primary weapon.

It wouldn't hurt if it had a scope like the silenced SMG in ODST either...


Bungie kind of gave up on the scope idea, and it's too late to implement that.

A small tweak like this would be easy to implement.

  • 12.11.2010 7:12 AM PDT
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Posted by: chrismcw
i wouldn't mind the assualt rifle being improved but if anything does it's the plasma repeater. me and my friend compared kill times and the assualt rifle always wins. the plasma rifle is about the same.

in short. Make assualt rifle a little better, make plasma repeater a LOT better (or replce with plasma rifle)


The plasma repeater is strong, it's just really inaccurate. It's probably meant for closer range as well. Then again, what do I know, I hardly pick up the damn thing.


I rarely use it as well.

This probably means there's something wrong with it.
That's a problem for a different thread though.

  • 12.11.2010 11:02 AM PDT
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Posted by: chrismcw
i wouldn't mind the assualt rifle being improved but if anything does it's the plasma repeater. me and my friend compared kill times and the assualt rifle always wins. the plasma rifle is about the same.

in short. Make assualt rifle a little better, make plasma repeater a LOT better (or replce with plasma rifle)


Yeah, I miss the plasma rifle in MM. Nice for duel wielding with the magnum in H3.

But that's a topic for a different thread.

The AR needs a damage buff, that much, after taking everything into account, is clear.

  • 12.12.2010 4:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: SolidStrelok
The majority of forum voters agree that the AR needs some kind of buff

*cough* Bungie *cough*

  • 12.12.2010 9:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: RIZEUTO

Posted by: SolidStrelok
The majority of forum voters agree that the AR needs some kind of buff

*cough* Bungie *cough*

  • 12.12.2010 10:09 PM PDT

Posted by: RIZEUTO

Posted by: RIZEUTO

Posted by: SolidStrelok
The majority of forum voters agree that the AR needs some kind of buff

*cough* Bungie *cough*

  • 12.13.2010 7:08 AM PDT
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Posted by: SolidStrelok
The majority of forum voters agree that the AR needs some kind of buff

*cough* Bungie *cough*

  • 12.13.2010 7:16 AM PDT