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Subject: MA37 ICWS AR. It should take 16 rounds to kill

AR is stupid.
Why would you even vote for an AR starting map?

Even in multi-team, I never use the AR.. The only reason I have what, 400? AR kills is because my roommate used to play on my account before he got his own. I'll take the magnum over AR any day.

  • 11.16.2010 1:56 PM PDT

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I like it. Ar is pretty worthless right now....

  • 11.16.2010 1:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: WargasmicTyrant
AR is stupid.
Why would you even vote for an AR starting map?

Even in multi-team, I never use the AR.. The only reason I have what, 400? AR kills is because my roommate used to play on my account before he got his own. I'll take the magnum over AR any day.


THATS THE POINT! Every weapon in the Reach sandbox should have a purpose. The AR doesen't. Don't say :" It's a starting weapon". That doesen't mean it should be useless.

It could vert well be the best, most skill oriented AR if it had a higher damage per round, or a longer time untill bloom deteriorates it's accuracy.

  • 11.16.2010 1:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: fxhomedude
I like it. Ar is pretty worthless right now....


:) Any change for the better is welcome.

But I strongly believe, that this is the answer. AR rushing is stopped. Now let's make the AR usefull again, or take it out of MM alltogether...

  • 11.16.2010 2:02 PM PDT

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16 round kills would make it a god weapon, but the damage could be upped a little sure. Taking a full mag to kill people is not acceptable, the gun isn't worth bothering with. I wouldn't mind the gun killing comfortably in 2/3 of a magazine, that way you have some spare bullets to start on your next target but you can't dominate 2 guys without reloading.

It already kills with 18 rounds- and it feels like it shoots hot popcorn. If it gets upgraded to 16 rounds to kill it would be perfect.

The AR ALWAYS MISSES AT LEAST ONE BULLET. So it would be very hard to kill 2 guys, and if someone does that, they damn well deserve it.

By putting it down to 16, you would just upgrade the effectiveness of bursts, rewarding skill with an iconic Halo weapon.


Would making the bloom tighter not help this? As soon as you fire 3 bullets the bloom is fully expanded, it would be nice if it would stay very close for about 9 rounds, that way burst firing will be significantly rewarded over spraying.


Hmm, yes, it would wouldn't it :)

I'm just used to shorter bursts anyway though, so it never crossed my mind :) Perhaps with that, and maybe, just maybe a higher rate of fire, it could be perfect :)


Rate of Fire is good, but it needs a damage per round buff. A longer bloom speed would be nice, but I can live with firing in 3-5 round bursts. I have the same problem with getting kills with it that everyone else seems to have, which is a real shame because I'm a CQC/Infantry guy in BTB. I want back the ability to kill easily and efficiently with the AR in my range bracket, NOT get my ass handed to me by every other damn gun.

  • 11.16.2010 2:05 PM PDT
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We need a Bungie Employee to look at this thread. I think that solves the AR problem.

No more comments like "Assault Rifle? Eeww".... at least I hope so.

  • 11.16.2010 2:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Telomee

Posted by: RIZEUTO

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16 round kills would make it a god weapon, but the damage could be upped a little sure. Taking a full mag to kill people is not acceptable, the gun isn't worth bothering with. I wouldn't mind the gun killing comfortably in 2/3 of a magazine, that way you have some spare bullets to start on your next target but you can't dominate 2 guys without reloading.

It already kills with 18 rounds- and it feels like it shoots hot popcorn. If it gets upgraded to 16 rounds to kill it would be perfect.

The AR ALWAYS MISSES AT LEAST ONE BULLET. So it would be very hard to kill 2 guys, and if someone does that, they damn well deserve it.

By putting it down to 16, you would just upgrade the effectiveness of bursts, rewarding skill with an iconic Halo weapon.


Would making the bloom tighter not help this? As soon as you fire 3 bullets the bloom is fully expanded, it would be nice if it would stay very close for about 9 rounds, that way burst firing will be significantly rewarded over spraying.


Hmm, yes, it would wouldn't it :)

I'm just used to shorter bursts anyway though, so it never crossed my mind :) Perhaps with that, and maybe, just maybe a higher rate of fire, it could be perfect :)


Rate of Fire is good, but it needs a damage per round buff. A longer bloom speed would be nice, but I can live with firing in 3-5 round bursts. I have the same problem with getting kills with it that everyone else seems to have, which is a real shame because I'm a CQC/Infantry guy in BTB. I want back the ability to kill easily and efficiently with the AR in my range bracket, NOT get my ass handed to me by every other damn gun.


Exactly what my OP says.... I hope Bungie will actually change this, but after all the threads about AL, I doubt this one will do much.... *sigh.

I'm bored of the DMR, I overused it, in both campaign and MP.

  • 11.16.2010 2:08 PM PDT

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Sorry for the restate, OP. I blame the virus keeping me from my programing class today...

  • 11.16.2010 2:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: eeeeessss veeee
I think the damage of all non PWs should go up. AR, PP, DMR, NR, pistol, repeater etc.



I find the DMR to be just fine. As well as the Plasma Repeater. Plasma Pistol is at it's best ever :) Magnum.... could use 2 more rounds in the clip. Fairly shallow- but it works AWSOME anyway.

My real problem is with the AR's weakness in damage per round.

  • 11.16.2010 2:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: Telomee
Sorry for the restate, OP. I blame the virus keeping me from my programing class today...


No, no, I meant it as in we both agree on that :) If more people agree on this , Bungie might actually upgrade it. But I doubt that.

  • 11.16.2010 2:15 PM PDT
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16 shots to kill. My answer to make the AR usefull.

[Edited on 11.16.2010 2:24 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2010 2:19 PM PDT
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Posted by: I Call 9MM
I'd definitely like to see the AR's damage go up a bit, it just feels so underpowered. Using the DMR is just a much better alternative at the moment. Turn up the damage, and tighten up the bloom on it a little bit may help.

I'd also like to see it's accuracy go up for quick, mid-range bursts, just enough to perhaps take someone's shield off before reloading, with decent aim. Same with the plasma repeater, it's bolts are just too slow and inaccurate to make it useful for anything but ripping through shields at close range, for which there are lots of other weapons to do that.


Though all that may make it overpowered. I think just increasing the Damage Per Round or tightening bloom would be enough.

16 shots to kill is all I ask for, and judging by the poll, most of us do as well.

The AR should be a weapon, not a popcorn maker.

  • 11.16.2010 2:24 PM PDT


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or you could just make it the same as halo 3 AR, that was fine


The Halo 3 AR was the beast in my oppinion, as well as in the oppinion's of many I know.

However, people complained about AR Beatdowns dominating- the technique called "Rushing" was overused.

This was repaired with the new melee system (Which I am not fond of- I believe putting melee at 75% only in MP would have been better).

But what I don't get is why the AR was even further weakened with the lower damage per round (It was already low to begin with) and lower rate of fire.
Agreed. Ah, back where you could have a chance against campers. I miss the old ar

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Posted by: RIZEUTO

Posted by: SUPER MOOSE93
or you could just make it the same as halo 3 AR, that was fine


The Halo 3 AR was the beast in my oppinion, as well as in the oppinion's of many I know.

However, people complained about AR Beatdowns dominating- the technique called "Rushing" was overused.

This was repaired with the new melee system (Which I am not fond of- I believe putting melee at 75% only in MP would have been better).

But what I don't get is why the AR was even further weakened with the lower damage per round (It was already low to begin with) and lower rate of fire.
Agreed. Ah, back where you could have a chance against campers. I miss the old ar


Yeah,..... when people underestimated you as someone who just spawned with the so called 'bad' AR.... and then you beat the -blam!- out of them :) Thats what I miss right now.

I'm going to play Halo 3 now :)

  • 11.16.2010 2:36 PM PDT

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Well, we don't want this to die, so I have an idea; I'm going to see how long I can argue in favor of keeping the AR in its current state. In no way do I actually believe this, but here I go:

The AR does not need to be modified, as it is a perfectly balanced weapon, considering what it is; a fully-automatic 5.56mm assault rifle. From real world records, I can say with quite some certainty that the more popular weapons of that caliber (AK-47, M16, AR15, some variants of the G11) use it instead of the 7.62mm round for only one reason; recoil control. The 7.62 has far more range and stopping power, but also generates a considerable amount of recoil. 5.56mm rounds are the superior choice for close range combat because it is easier to fire a weapon of that chamber on full automatic from the hip.

Now, to bring this train back to the station, it is apparent that the UNSCDF saw no reason to ... wait a minute, I need someone with the Halo Encyclopedia now. Halopedia states that the MA37 is a 7.62mm, along with the DMR. If this is correct, I think I just made the most epic Bump in the history of this forum via "Sabotaged By Gamplay > Reality".

  • 11.16.2010 2:41 PM PDT

I actually think the AR in Reach is better than in Halo 3, but just my opinion. If there was to be a damage increase, I'd be for it.

  • 11.16.2010 2:44 PM PDT

Play the game like it is real; use cover, use teamwork and you will survive.

The AR may be a starting weapon and everyone may think it's useless, but being able to kill someone at mid range who has a DMR while you use an AR is just pure skill. However, even at close range you can get killed by a DMR user. It is in good faith that I support this thread.

  • 11.16.2010 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: diesel93
I actually think the AR in Reach is better than in Halo 3, but just my opinion. If there was to be a damage increase, I'd be for it.


You are right. :)

  • 11.16.2010 2:50 PM PDT

Play the game like it is real; use cover, use teamwork and you will survive.

We really need a Bungie employee to see this!

[Edited on 11.16.2010 3:14 PM PST]

  • 11.16.2010 3:13 PM PDT

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  • 11.16.2010 3:18 PM PDT

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  • 11.16.2010 3:31 PM PDT
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Posted by: Telomee
Well, we don't want this to die, so I have an idea; I'm going to see how long I can argue in favor of keeping the AR in its current state. In no way do I actually believe this, but here I go:

The AR does not need to be modified, as it is a perfectly balanced weapon, considering what it is; a fully-automatic 5.56mm assault rifle. From real world records, I can say with quite some certainty that the more popular weapons of that caliber (AK-47, M16, AR15, some variants of the G11) use it instead of the 7.62mm round for only one reason; recoil control. The 7.62 has far more range and stopping power, but also generates a considerable amount of recoil. 5.56mm rounds are the superior choice for close range combat because it is easier to fire a weapon of that chamber on full automatic from the hip.

Now, to bring this train back to the station, it is apparent that the UNSCDF saw no reason to ... wait a minute, I need someone with the Halo Encyclopedia now. Halopedia states that the MA37 is a 7.62mm, along with the DMR. If this is correct, I think I just made the most epic Bump in the history of this forum via "Sabotaged By Gamplay > Reality".


XD, and yes, the AR and the DMR shoot the same round. They say that the DMR is better designed to explain the difference in power. But what about the magnum? It's the same strenght as the DMR and it's a handgun XD!

Back on topic. AR needs 16 rounds to kill in order to be usefull :)

  • 11.16.2010 3:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: diesel93
I actually think the AR in Reach is better than in Halo 3, but just my opinion. If there was to be a damage increase, I'd be for it.


It has the potential to be Bungie's 'ultimate spawning weapon'.

Right now it's kind of useless, but with a damage increase.... it would be perfect!

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YES!
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We really need a Bungie employee to see this!

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Reach needs to be patched. It's the truth.

No. The AR is annoying enough as it is.

  • 11.16.2010 3:49 PM PDT