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  • Poll [16 votes]: RE: New Halo: The Fall of Reach, Halo: The Flood has Canon problems
Subject: RE: New Halo: The Fall of Reach, Halo: The Flood has Canon problems

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Poll: RE: New Halo: The Fall of Reach, Halo: The Flood has Canon problems  [closed]
I have read and played every single piece of canon:  25%
(4 Votes)
I have read and played most of the canon:  56%
(9 Votes)
I have read the books:  0%
(0 Votes)
I have played the games:  6%
(1 Votes)
In between:  0%
(0 Votes)
Have only read a small amount of books:  12%
(2 Votes)
I have only played a small of games:  0%
(0 Votes)
Total Votes: 16

1st off. "Hey! I'm Vegerot, although I am not new to b.net I AM new the B Universe. But don't think I don't know what I'm talking about! I am a moderator in 5 Halo canon forums, an Administrator in 1, and regularly e-mail Eric Nylund (he doesn't return maybe 1 out of every 3 I send him (he responds to more than he ignores, in simple terms), thank you very much!). I have read and played EVERYTHING in the Halo series besides for: The Art of Halo, The Art of Halo 3, Halo: Blood Line, Halo: Fall of Reach - Boot Camp (but I have read the book so that doesn't really matter), Halo Wars: Genesis (anybody know where I can get it cheap?), Ghosts of Onyx sequel (hasn't come out yet), Halo: Cryptum (obviously, as it has not yet been released), Halo: Fall of Reach - Covenant (but I have read the book so that doesn't really matter), and Halo: Fall of Reach - Pillar of Autumn (but I have read the book so that doesn't really matter). Wow, now that I look at this, there is A LOT of stuff I don't know! But anyway, so yeah, that's my little 2 second Halography (Halo biography, I suck with that stuff). But back to my topic name! I was wondering 2 things.
1. Basically what you guys all said was spending $10 on the new books is NOT worth is? You guys seemed upset by the number of ships in the Battle of Reach and why it sucks that it's canon. Well, you can think what you want, Halo isn't real at all, and what I DON'T LIKE, even HATE sometimes, is that all of you guys have your canon policies and things that say what HAS to happen and cannot happen any other way. Which takes away MORE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE from the experience of reading. If you don't like something, than just tell yourself that "that thing isn't that, and it's something else." You will like the series SO much better that way. For example, I believe that the Office of Naval Intelligence would NEVER spent that much money to give a bunch of "disposable" heros Mark V MJONLIR Powered Assault Armor. So it is actually just Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor that is "special". It LOOKED like MJOLNIR but wasn't, it wan't even SPI armor at that, it was an armor similar to MJOLNIR but was more "disposable". It was stronger than SPI in many ways, like having stronger armor, shields added, etc. But couldn't add its Active Camouflage for some reason. They got their armor because while most of the SPARTAN-II Commandos were going to be capturing a Covenant leader, they were gonna be going on some mission that was also very important (but needed a small team for some reason). Jorge-052's armor was MUCH stronger than his fellow SPARTANs, as he had the real MJOLNIR armor. If you want to see my opinion on Armor Abilites, go to Halopedia. (http://www.halopedian.com/Talk:Armor_Abilities#Are_armor_abi lities_canon.3F). But I think that the SPARTAN-IIs DID have Armor Abilities on the Pillar of Autumn, but when Keyes crash-landed the ship, the very experimental and fragile armor ability station was destroyed. As you can see, I have a lot of ideas that are VERY "uncanonacle". So don't be scared to think that things happen that Bungie doesn't say, nobody can say "your wrong!" because there is nothing "right" because this is pretended and DOESN'T EXIST!
2. What are the updates in Halo: The Flood and did they fix ALL of the problems.
a. I know that they didn't! Just look at the cover! There were no SMGs on the PoA nor did the MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor have dual-wielding.

[Edited on 11.17.2010 7:48 PM PST]

  • 11.17.2010 7:45 PM PDT

I'm agent Nahman Jayden, eff-bee-eye.

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  • 11.17.2010 7:48 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

because there is nothing "right" because this is pretended and DOESN'T EXIST!That's a great attitude to have given you supposedly moderate five sites which are concerned with portraying canon accurately (Of course if you're from halopedia that obviously isn't a criticism).

It doesn't matter how much you know or claim to know; "my opinion" still doesn't cut it when you are trying to sway others' opinions. Every inconsistency brought up deals with facts. Everything you said uses the "proof" of "lol it's not real!".

  • 11.17.2010 8:47 PM PDT

Cave Johnson here, we're done!

PS: If you are reading this comment while imagining my voice, don't panic. That's just a side effect of the testing.

Spartan 2's did not have armor abilities. The reasoning for armor abilities is the in-fighting that happens within the different sections of ONI. Spartan 3 program was developed in secrecy by Section 3, and any technology developed by section 3 stays in section three unless made public. Including their armor abilities they have developed for their Spartans.

By the way, Noble team is comprised of Spartans who were secretly taken away from the spartan 3 program to be used how the leaders wished. So think of them as the Spec Ops for Section 3 leaders, and I'm sure that buying a dozen or so Spartans Mark V armor is no heavy burden.

Also, it's only a cover, an artistic representation of Spartans, not actually involving anything within the story itself. Do you see blue team ever fighting within a city in a Delta formation with Banshees at their back blowing up something random? Just like the original fall of reach cover, the artistic portrayal is nothing but an interesting piece of art, not related to canon directly.

  • 11.17.2010 8:50 PM PDT

Alright, I am going to try and take on the monumental task of deciphering this mess.
Posted by: Vegerot
1st off. "Hey! I'm Vegerot, although I am not new to b.net I AM new the B Universe. But don't think I don't know what I'm talking about! I am a moderator in 5 Halo canon forums, an Administrator in 1, and regularly e-mail Eric Nylund (he doesn't return maybe 1 out of every 3 I send him (he responds to more than he ignores, in simple terms), thank you very much!).
Good for you.

I have read and played EVERYTHING in the Halo series besides for: The Art of Halo, The Art of Halo 3, Halo: Blood Line, Halo: Fall of Reach - Boot Camp (but I have read the book so that doesn't really matter), Halo Wars: Genesis (anybody know where I can get it cheap?), Ghosts of Onyx sequel (hasn't come out yet), Halo: Cryptum (obviously, as it has not yet been released), Halo: Fall of Reach - Covenant (but I have read the book so that doesn't really matter), and Halo: Fall of Reach - Pillar of Autumn (but I have read the book so that doesn't really matter).Wow, now that I look at this, there is A LOT of stuff I don't know! But anyway, so yeah, that's my little 2 second Halography (Halo biography, I suck with that stuff). But back to my topic name! I was wondering 2 things. Not interested in your background or the books you haven't read because they haven't come out yet. Make an argument and back it up with what you've learned from those books.
1. Basically what you guys all said was spending $10 on the new books is NOT worth is?No, that is not at all what we said. We spent $10, (or like me, $15 in Canada) on a novel that would expand our knowledge of an interested and large universe. What we got with Reach is having a good chunk of these novels that authors worked hard on, and us paying good money for, rendered "made-up" and irrelevant by the story Bungie made up for Reach. So basically, we're angry that we paid $40 or more for what is now worthless. And we don't want to spend that money again to find out how they tried to cover up all the errors and change what has already been set in stone.

You guys seemed upset by the number of ships in the Battle of Reach and why it sucks that it's canon.In each novel, save brilliant strategy or luck, humanity has needed 3-1 odds to win a space battle. In the Fall of Reach novel, the Covenant had 300 ships to humanity's 100 + 20 Super MACs. And kicked humanity's ass within a single day, since all the ships were clustered together. And then proceeded to glass most of the planet while their own forces were still on it. How does adding more Covenant ships make the battle last longer, especially a month?

Well, you can think what you want, Halo isn't real at allHERP DERP IS MAKE PRETEND U GUISE STOOPID HURRRRR

and what I DON'T LIKE, even HATE sometimes, is that all of you guys have your canon policies and things that say what HAS to happen and cannot happen any other way.These so-called "policies" involve reading the novel, and believing those events called canon by the creators to be the correct events. What you seem to be mad about, is that we expect future events to follow the events and consequences of the ones already paved out.

Which takes away MORE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE from the experience of reading.What? I read something because I am genuinely interested in learning about it, not just for the sake of reading whatever has pretty art which is what you seem to be suggesting.

If you don't like something, than just tell yourself that "that thing isn't that, and it's something else." You will like the series SO much better that way.My sentiments exactly. As for myself, I will continue to believe the events of the novels, and thoroughly ignore any plot or events that may have been included in Halo: Reach. Things just make so much more sense that way.

For example, I believe that the Office of Naval Intelligence would NEVER spent that much money to give a bunch of "disposable" heros Mark V MJONLIR Powered Assault Armor. So it is actually just Semi-Powered Infiltration Armor that is "special". It LOOKED like MJOLNIR but wasn't, it wan't even SPI armor at that, it was an armor similar to MJOLNIR but was more "disposable". It was stronger than SPI in many ways, like having stronger armor, shields added, etc. But couldn't add its Active Camouflage for some reason. HURR DURR THIS IS ALL PRETEND STOP TRYING TO RIP ON THE STORY AND BUNGIIIEEEEEEE. Sarcasm aside, that doesn't make sense. Why would they create an entire new model just for a half dozen or dozen soldiers when one of the existing models is just fine, with maybe a few bells and whistles? Also, humanity never had Active Camoflouge. They used light-refracting plates as camoflouge, and it wasn't as effective as active camoflouge.

They got their armor because while most of the SPARTAN-II Commandos were going to be capturing a Covenant leader, they were gonna be going on some mission that was also very important (but needed a small team for some reason). If they were in a small team, it would have made more sense to use the SPI stealth armour. They would have been more difficult to detect.

Jorge-052's armor was MUCH stronger than his fellow SPARTANs, as he had the real MJOLNIR armor. If you want to see my opinion on Armor Abilites, go to Halopedia. (http://www.halopedian.com/Talk:Armor_Abilities#Are_armor_abi lities_canon.3F).What does your opinion have to do with anything?

But I think that the SPARTAN-IIs DID have Armor Abilities on the Pillar of Autumn, but when Keyes crash-landed the ship, the very experimental and fragile armor ability station was destroyed.Of course it was. Because, you know, there were more than one living Spartan on the PoA, and it would totally get destroyed while installed in John's armor in the process of getting up out of the cry-tube.

As you can see, I have a lot of ideas that are VERY "uncanonacle"....seriously?

So don't be scared to think that things happen that Bungie doesn't say, nobody can say "your wrong!"*sigh*

because there is nothing "right" because this is pretended and DOESN'T EXIST!Okay. The Forerunners didn't really all get wiped out. Some of them rode their space-skateboards all the way to the Rocky Road galaxy and started up a space kibble factory, which served space kibble to passing comets. This obviously happened because Bungie never said it didn't happen.


2. What are the updates in Halo: The Flood and did they fix ALL of the problems.
a. I know that they didn't! Just look at the cover! There were no SMGs on the PoA nor did the MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor have dual-wielding.
Oh for...The armour doesn't give you the ability to double-wield! You pick up a gun in one hand, and the other gun in your other hand! You can do it right now! Try it! And the SMGs just make more inconsistencies. I haven't even read the revised novels, but considering what you just showed, they're just going to make things worse.

  • 11.17.2010 9:57 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Credentialism will not get you anywhere, just as consequence of a belief will not.

When discussing the official story line, your personal interpretation and opinion should have no place in it. You can think what you like, but that is not going to change the fact. Also, this is not Halopedia by the way, there is no "Level 6 Canon, aka Halopedia Canon" or whatever you call it. You cannot pass off an event as official due to the developers lack of commenting on that particular aspect as it is simply not up to you.

Posted by: Vegerot
2. What are the updates in Halo: The Flood and did they fix ALL of the problems.
a. I know that they didn't! Just look at the cover! There were no SMGs on the PoA nor did the MJOLNIR Powered Assault Armor have dual-wielding.

Do not judge a book by its cover.

  • 11.18.2010 11:13 AM PDT