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I have a question, its obvious that the covenant have superior everything in halo, weather it be troops or technology or what ever, but How did the UNSC even come up with the spartan armor that is WAY better then the armor they have for any covenant troop, and how are they even able to make spartans a lot more powerful then even the elite of the elites.

[Edited on 11.18.2010 12:57 AM PST]

  • 11.18.2010 12:56 AM PDT

Actually, Mjolnir is far less effective than the elites armor.
The shields are weaker, take longer to recharge, and use more energy.
The only advantage mjolnir has over elite armor is it's ability to enhance the strength and reactions of the wearer.

The spartans are the only ones able to handle this because of their modified bone structure, and muscle tissue etc.

They are basically genetically enhanced humans trained for combat from an early age.

Um, what else.
Oh yeah, the original energy shielding tech was designed by dr Halsey (who was not called mom by any spartan ever) and it was based off a Jakal shield which I believe one of the other spartans managed to acquire.

I could get Halseys journal and write down all of the scientific theory behind why the shields should work (according to Eric Nylund that is) but i'm going to bed.

If you want to read more, they probably have everything you're looking for at Halopedia.

  • 11.18.2010 1:20 AM PDT
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If the elite armor is superior then how come it takes like 2-50 elites to take down one spartan

  • 11.18.2010 1:27 AM PDT

Posted by: Jak O Bladez
Oh yeah, the original energy shielding tech was designed by Dr Halsey (who was not called mom by any spartan ever) and it was based off a Jakal shield which I believe one of the other spartans managed to acquire.


I just got to that bit in The Fall of Reach, I think it was John but I could be wrong.

  • 11.18.2010 1:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: WoollyMonster
Posted by: Jak O Bladez
Oh yeah, the original energy shielding tech was designed by Dr Halsey (who was not called mom by any spartan ever) and it was based off a Jakal shield which I believe one of the other spartans managed to acquire.


I just got to that bit in The Fall of Reach, I think it was John but I could be wrong.


It was stated in TFOR that John acquired a dead Jackals portable shield. I don't recall, however if it's stated that he was the first to do so.

[Edited on 11.18.2010 3:32 AM PST]

  • 11.18.2010 3:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: Jak O Bladez
Oh yeah, the original energy shielding tech was designed by Dr Halsey (who was not called mom by any spartan ever) and it was based off a Jakal shield which I believe one of the other spartans managed to acquire.


I just got to that bit in The Fall of Reach, I think it was John but I could be wrong.
They'd been using Jackal shields on operations for years. SPARTAN-IIIs had been trained in using them before 2545. Also, in the books, that section is only 6 weeks before MkV was issued to the S-IIs, and MkV with shields had been officially issued for about 9 months prior to that mission.

Plus (I think), MkV was supposed to be issued in 2542, but breakthroughs in energy shields meant it was not issued until 2551.

Slightly more OT:
The MJOLNIR armour is more effective at repelling bullet damage (in theory) because it was designed to. Elite's armour was only ever designed to survive plasma damage, and is nowhere near as effective as MJOLNIR against kinetics.

[Edited on 11.18.2010 8:21 AM PST]

  • 11.18.2010 8:19 AM PDT

Well Elite shields are better because Mjolnir shields are basically improved Jackal shields, I suppose aswell, all it is is ballistic gel and armour plates. Well actually, circuits and other little nuggets of awesome within the armour make it cool. I suppose it's just cramming as much as you can in the suit.

  • 11.18.2010 9:41 AM PDT

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Their armours are basically the same in nearly all respects, according to the Halo Encyclopaedia. Boosts strength, speed, agility and offers an energy shield. Higher and higher ranking Elites get given armours that are increasingly superior to lower ranking armours though, so they are not all the same. It used to be held that a Major Domo was equal to a Spartan in Mjolnir, so armour systems above that rank are probably superior to Mjolnir.

  • 11.18.2010 9:50 AM PDT

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Posted by: Jak O Bladez
The spartans are the only ones able to handle this because of their modified bone structure, and muscle tissue etc.
Yes. They tried it with an ordinary soldier first, but I believe he died when trying to operate it. Master Chief banged up his hand when he tried to salute while wearing the armor for the first time. So, the suites are actually useless unless you have Spartans to wear them.

[Edited on 11.18.2010 10:30 AM PST]

  • 11.18.2010 10:30 AM PDT

If the elite armor is superior then how come it takes like 2-50 elites to take down one spartan

You've never played CE on Legendary have you?

[Edited on 11.18.2010 1:01 PM PST]

  • 11.18.2010 12:59 PM PDT

I wander what the Elite equivelent of a Spartan would? eep!

  • 11.18.2010 1:05 PM PDT


Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
I wander what the Elite equivelent of a Spartan would? eep!


That's been brought up before. Most believe that an Elite might as well be considered the equivalent of a spartan. Some might say the Arbiter, but that doesn't really make sense since the Arbiter is given less advanced armor than the rest of his species.

  • 11.18.2010 1:11 PM PDT


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Posted by: Nickthedck
If the elite armor is superior then how come it takes like 2-50 elites to take down one spartan


Every elite gets armor + shields. Spartans are trained since childhood. Most elites you see are red or blue, not a very high rank. Most of the blue elites are probably incompetent.


It has also been said that Elites have weaker tissue so they are more easily injured than humans. But it's hard to believe.

  • 11.18.2010 1:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: anton1792
Their armours are basically the same in nearly all respects, according to the Halo Encyclopaedia. Boosts strength, speed, agility and offers an energy shield. Higher and higher ranking Elites get given armours that are increasingly superior to lower ranking armours though, so they are not all the same. It used to be held that a Major Domo was equal to a Spartan in Mjolnir, so armour systems above that rank are probably superior to Mjolnir.


The Encyclopedia has not exactly proven to be a reliable and viable source of information.

EDIT: Note that Elites are also raised from an early aged with combat and warfare in mind. Although their training is hardly as coordinated or rigorous. In fact as opposed to the SPARTAN project which selects the best via genetic and psychological test, Sanghelli training is meant to solely separated the weak from the strong in the first place. Not improve upon them.

Also from what I understand, Spartan armor systems are more advanced than their Covenant counter parts. This is for the reason that they (the later versions) were based of reversed engineered Covenant technology, improved upon with Human ingenuity and innovation.

[Edited on 11.18.2010 1:57 PM PST]

  • 11.18.2010 1:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
The Encyclopedia has not exactly proven to be a reliable and viable source of information.

Yes, that is something to consider as well. I do not ever remember reading about the specifics of Elite armour in other media though, and when I read through the Encyclopaedia, that was the first (AFAIK) time I had seen the concept raised.

Without it, the concept would not even exist in any form of argument, so I think that point is at least trustworthy. It also helps explain how Elites somehow get miraculously stronger when they go up in rank each time.

  • 11.18.2010 3:28 PM PDT

think of it like this, spartans are like navy seals, MOST elites are marine recons, so of course the marine recons are going to need like 50 guys to take down the navy seal. now however there are elites that are stronger then even master chief and could probably kill him despite his "luck"

  • 11.19.2010 12:41 AM PDT

Posted by: Nickthedck
If the elite armor is superior then how come it takes like 2-50 elites to take down one spartan

Skill buddy.

  • 11.19.2010 3:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
I wander what the Elite equivelent of a Spartan would? eep!


That's been brought up before. Most believe that an Elite might as well be considered the equivalent of a spartan. Some might say the Arbiter, but that doesn't really make sense since the Arbiter is given less advanced armor than the rest of his species.

Spartans are effective because they are such skilled fighters. So yes, an arbiter would be the elite equivalent.

  • 11.19.2010 4:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: CommieNick
think of it like this, spartans are like navy seals, MOST elites are marine recons, so of course the marine recons are going to need like 50 guys to take down the navy seal. now however there are elites that are stronger then even master chief and could probably kill him despite his "luck"


Dude, you are cognitively disabled. Don't try to use the military as an analogy if you don't know what the -Blam!- you're talking about. They would never fight one-on-one EVER, because thats not how they operate. SEAL teams consist of about 5 or 6 members, while Force Recon is a platoon strenght unit. Not to mention that they're missions are totally different.

  • 11.19.2010 6:26 AM PDT

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MJLONIR shield technology is reversed engenierd(?) from Jackal shields and improved upon, thus making them more effective than Elite shielding.

  • 11.19.2010 6:45 AM PDT

Elites are more or less equal to a spartan, but they have a certain sense of honor and zealotry that causes them to fight less tactically and more...religiously.

Mostly comes down to spartans receiving better training than the average elite.

[Edited on 11.19.2010 8:51 AM PST]

  • 11.19.2010 8:50 AM PDT

The books frequently reference the covenant's ability to adapt the forerunner tech without actually improving it and barely understanding it.

  • 11.19.2010 9:00 AM PDT