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Subject: In your mind which is cannon?

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Poll: In your mind which is cannon?  [closed]
Book1 : Fall of reach:  57%
(32 Votes)
Game: Halo reach:  43%
(24 Votes)
Total Votes: 56

In YOUR MIND which is cannon? Fall of Reach or Halo Reach

  • 11.19.2010 6:25 AM PDT
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The book, because it was actually decent. The game's storyline is bland, boring and dull.

  • 11.19.2010 7:14 AM PDT

I say book because it was more, filling if that makes sense. I know most people say game canon beats book canon but the game breaks GoO and FoR canon, so, yeah...

  • 11.19.2010 7:44 AM PDT

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The book.

If we called Reach non-canon off the bat, then there wouldn't have to have been any changes to canon.

  • 11.19.2010 9:25 AM PDT

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The game is canon, because that's what the majority of people will accept as canon, including players who aren't b.net members and those who don't even know the novels exist.

  • 11.19.2010 11:21 AM PDT

Book,absolutely

  • 11.19.2010 11:23 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact

I'm starting to hate Reach more and more every day

And i'm not the only big Halo fan hatin this game.

God i can't wait for Halo 4

  • 11.19.2010 11:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sabe
The book, because it was actually decent. The game's storyline is bland, boring and dull.
I agree.

It was catered to the people who don't even care about the story.

@hotshot revan II:

I know exactly what you mean. The fact that I'm a big Halo fan makes the disappointment I feel towards Reach even worse.

I sold the game on Amazon weeks ago. Feels good

Hopefully Halo 4(or whatever it's going to be called) doesn't leave as bad a taste in my mouth as Halo: Reach did.

[Edited on 11.19.2010 11:32 AM PST]

  • 11.19.2010 11:26 AM PDT

Barring opinion, the books, but there are still some things in the books that aren't completely cannon.

  • 11.19.2010 11:28 AM PDT

PEANUT-BUTTER SLAP!

Books, in any conflict.

  • 11.19.2010 11:31 AM PDT
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"Time was your ally human. But now it has abandoned you. The Forerunners....have returned. And this tomb... is now yours". - The Didact


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Posted by: Sabe
The book, because it was actually decent. The game's storyline is bland, boring and dull.
I agree.

It was catered to the people who don't even care about the story.

@hotshot revan II:

I know exactly what you mean. The fact that I'm a big Halo fan makes the disappointment I feel towards Reach even worse.

I sold the game on Amazon weeks ago. Feels good

Hopefully Halo 4(or whatever it's going to be called) doesn't leave as bad a taste in my mouth as Halo: Reach did.


Damn i'm thinking to sell that game as well,to bad i bought the legendary edition.Bungie officially made me hate them and Reach


Let's just play Halo 3 and read Traviss and Bears halo books till Halo 4 comes

  • 11.19.2010 11:39 AM PDT
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The short answer which sounds unworkable without additional explanation? Both.

The longer answer:

The game, on account of being newer and being higher up the ladder, has priority.

But wait, there's more! FoR is still very important to the Haloverse. Everything before the last act is still about 90% canon in its entireity. Everything after early August, 2552 needs some work, though.


It might be best to scrap armor testing entirely. We've had energy shielding and additional armor categories out the wazoo since long before Reach.

Obviously, the Spartan-IIs didn't stay in the Autumn until the 30th, where they promptly left in a pelican at the last minute and got shot down. They've been fighting since August 14th, defending the orbital defenses and slowly getting whittled down.

The Chief still went up to space though. Linda still got injured. This still works because the Autumn can easily pick them up on the way out.

Basically, the events in the "Fall or Reach" bit of the FoR can still be considered canon in rather broad strokes. The dates and order in which they occur should be put up to strict scrutiny.

edit: Also, it's CANON, not cannon. Bungie might need a cannon to curb the canon wank that'll occur on this board for the next year, but the two are otherwise unrelated.

[Edited on 11.19.2010 11:52 AM PST]

  • 11.19.2010 11:40 AM PDT

Both.
Deal with it.

  • 11.19.2010 11:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: GanonSmash
Both.
Deal with it.
In an ideal world perhaps, but it's one or the other.

If we accept Reach as canon then TFoR(most of it) is non-canon.

The only way TFoR(as a WHOLE) can still be considered canon is if Halo: Reach is declared non-canon.

[Edited on 11.19.2010 12:06 PM PST]

  • 11.19.2010 12:06 PM PDT

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The games. Basically, I remember at some point Bungie actually said that the games take precedence over other media. Books, comics, etc are there to enhance the Haloverse...but if Bungie decides to make a game out of a piece of other media, the game they make wins out.

Bungie on the Contradictions...
"According to Lehto, the "Halo" games are considered prime canon, and everything outside of the games is supplementary"

  • 11.19.2010 12:19 PM PDT

Signatures are for squares.

The book.

  • 11.19.2010 12:30 PM PDT

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This man, this man right here put it so eloquently that I actually cancelled my own 2000+ word long post.
/slow clap for respect


:)
The person who said participating is important, not winning, obviously never won anything.

I'd say the game, but it should more of a mix between both things.

  • 11.19.2010 12:36 PM PDT

I prefer the canon that works. Most things in Reach are in fact explainable/explained, but those last few unexplainable errors...

can't ignore them.

  • 11.19.2010 2:01 PM PDT

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actualy both are cannon because when they re-released the original three books they put in added information and changed things to make the game fit into cannon.

  • 11.19.2010 2:12 PM PDT

War is Human Nature, without War there cannot be peace, without peace there cannot be war.

Canon is summarized into categories, with the games being first in line in terms of Canon, printed texts coming second and so on and so forth.

  • 11.19.2010 2:15 PM PDT

Long time listener,first time complainer.

I loved the book but I have enough respect for Bungie to regard the games based in THEIR universe to regard it as canon.Just disappointed that Bungie couldn't respect the work of Eric Nylund and build their swansong story with some consideration.

  • 11.19.2010 2:16 PM PDT

War is Human Nature, without War there cannot be peace, without peace there cannot be war.


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I loved the book but I have enough respect for Bungie to regard the games based in THEIR universe to regard it as canon.Just disappointed that Bungie couldn't respect the work of Eric Nylund and build their swansong story with some consideration.

I agree with you there. mind giving some of your opinions through PM?

  • 11.19.2010 2:18 PM PDT
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I find this funny.

Probably the book since the campaign in the game sucked.

  • 11.19.2010 2:26 PM PDT
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Thall.

Personally, I like the book, because I read it before Reach and I've read it so many times.

Viper points out that it isn't. I wasn't aware of that, very interesting.


[Edited on 11.19.2010 2:57 PM PST]

  • 11.19.2010 2:53 PM PDT
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Posted by: xXFatal v1
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Both.
Deal with it.
In an ideal world perhaps, but it's one or the other.

If we accept Reach as canon then TFoR(most of it) is non-canon.

The only way TFoR(as a WHOLE) can still be considered canon is if Halo: Reach is declared non-canon.


Bullcrap. The only bits of TFoR (that weren't already in canon trouble) are things after Sigma. The creation of the Master Chief (y'know, the important bits to the overall universe) still stand.

Halo: Reach directly refrences Red Team through radio broadcasts. They are on the planet doing things, just maybe not anywhere when and not quite how FoR depicts it.

Retcons don't leave gaping voids in the narrative. If that was true then FoR would have been kicked out the moment Spartans started using shields pior to Reach. That was pre-Halo Wars stuff, right there.

They are "both" canon, but Reach has priority for any contradictory bits. This rule has been known for years. Some of FoR's other contradictory bits when compared to more recent fare have been ignored by you folk for years. Why the sudden DOOMcon 1?

  • 11.19.2010 3:08 PM PDT

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