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Subject: Why does Bungie hate Halo CE so much?
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Is it because Halo CE was the brain child of the great Alex Seropian who left Bungie rather then sell out like the rest? Thats most likely only the begining. Everyone wants to play Halo CE on xbox live, and after petition after petition Bungie still wont port it. There are many reasons for this but none of which Bungie have mentioned. First off, Bungie knows that worse case scenerio Halo CE would become more popular on xbox live then Halo 2, A very likely scenerio at that. Or the porting of Halo CE would divide the playing field leaving the pros playing Halo CE and the kids playing Halo 2, which would make Halo 2 seem like a big joke. Bungie is well aware that this would happen, its so obvious that this is the real reason. When ever Halo CE is mentioned, even by Bungie they make comments like "GASP" and "UGH" before mention Halo CE. Its because they know that Halo CE will always hang over thier head as a superior masterpiece that they can never out do. Proove me wrong Bungie and port Halo CE, I would love to see that.

P.S. How many people do you think will still be playing Halo 2 when 360 hits...not many at all. Like Bungie said, nothing has been changed in Halo 2 for 360, so that means halo 2 will still be a moders paradise.

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  • 11.10.2005 2:49 AM PDT
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Bungie doesnt hate halo CE. Geez.

Posted by: Orbitron414
Everyone wants to play Halo CE on xbox live


Quite an exaggeration.

Posted by: Orbitron414
There are many reasons for this but none of which Bungie have mentioned


For one, the amount of money it would generate couldnt justify the amount of money they would have to put it to it to do the recode. Doing something like that often puts companies out of business. How do I know? I work in a gaming company and code games for a living. Its a very touchy business.

Posted by: Orbitron414
First off, Bungie knows that worse case scenerio Halo CE would become more popular on xbox live then Halo 2, A very likely scenerio at that.


No, not likely at all actually. That is, again, your own opinion because you like it so much.

Posted by: Orbitron414
FOr the porting of Halo CE would divide the playing field leaving the pros playing Halo CE and the kids playing Halo 2


That just another opinion...but lets say that is true. If it were true there are very few "pros" making it not worth doing at all, equaling lost revenue and time.

Posted by: Orbitron414
Which would make Halo 2 seem like a big joke


Actually Halo CE would end up with many of the same problems as halo 2 and it would make Halo CE look like a joke.

Posted by: Orbitron414
Bungie is well aware that this would happen, its so obvious that this is the real reason.


No, stop making things up.

Posted by: Orbitron414
When ever Halo CE is mentioned, even by Bungie they make comments like "GASP" and "UGH" before mention Halo CE.


Not really, they speak of the game highly and even mention playing it in recent times.

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P.S. How many people do you think will still be playing Halo 2 when 360 hits...not many at all.


Maybe so, but even less would play Halo CE


I agree it would be nice..but business-wise it is a horrible idea, and its not going to happen. Putting aside new projects to rework a 4 year old game for a handful of fans doesnt fly in the board room.
Most of the stuff you said is your personal opinion (or just made up) about a business you dont seem to understand , and you are biased causing your view of its possible success to be exaggerated.

My advice is : let it go. Play XBC. Appreciate that you got to enjoy the game at all and dont make up stuff like 'Bungie hates Halo CE'.

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I like how you dont reply to any of my comments with any backround what so ever, just little half senences like "stop making things up" and "quite an exaggeration". The fact, yes fact that after 4 years people are still playing Halo CE on xbc would tell any logical thinking person that Halo CE is a game that stands the test of time. With all of the sucky games that failed on xbox live why not port the best award winning console fps of all time? I'm sorry but if you think that Halo CE upgraded to 1.5 with new maps and new weapons would not sell then you are just a moron. And you most likely are not that good at the game either. Buisness wise Halo CE 1.5 would generate big $$$ and that is a fact, anything Halo at this point is pure $$$.

My advice at this point is stop giving advice lol.

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Putting aside new projects to rework a 4 year old game for a handful of fans doesnt fly in the board room.


By the way dummy, going back to prequals is the new thing, just look at Perfect Dark Zero.

  • 11.10.2005 4:30 AM PDT

Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth, you'd get a lot of free games.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

Posted by: Orbitron414
I like how you dont reply to any of my comments with any backround what so ever, just little half senences like "stop making things up" and "quite an exaggeration". The fact, yes fact that after 4 years people are still playing Halo CE on xbc would tell any logical thinking person that Halo CE is a game that stands the test of time. With all of the sucky games that failed on xbox live why not port the best award winning console fps of all time? I'm sorry but if you think that Halo CE upgraded to 1.5 with new maps and new weapons would not sell then you are just a moron. And you most likely are not that good at the game either. Buisness wise Halo CE 1.5 would generate big $$$ and that is a fact, anything Halo at this point is pure $$$.

My advice at this point is stop giving advice lol.


Give up. Halo will NEVER be on Live.

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Posted by: Orbitron414
I like how you dont reply to any of my comments with any backround what so ever, just little half senences like "stop making things up" and "quite an exaggeration". The fact, yes fact that after 4 years people are still playing Halo CE on xbc would tell any logical thinking person that Halo CE is a game that stands the test of time. With all of the sucky games that failed on xbox live why not port the best award winning console fps of all time? I'm sorry but if you think that Halo CE upgraded to 1.5 with new maps and new weapons would not sell then you are just a moron. And you most likely are not that good at the game either. Buisness wise Halo CE 1.5 would generate big $$$ and that is a fact, anything Halo at this point is pure $$$.

My advice at this point is stop giving advice lol.



I dont need to put full sentences. Anyone with intelligence can tell they are exaggerations. I could have explained more, but apparently I underestimated your humility and comprehension levels. My mistake.

- There are people on xbc, but not very much. Again, not enough to justify the cost. All your comments are speculation based on your fanboy status.

I'm a moron thinking it would not sell? Did I say it would not sell? No I didnt. I said it wouldnt sell enough to justify the cost. Do you have any idea how much work it takes to go into old engines? No, you dont. I do. In cases like that, its costs a lot of money. Well into the tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands sometimes.

Think for a second...if it could generate enough money, and was possible, then they would do it! Use logic buddy.

Calling me a moron just shows your immaturity and inability to think straight.

I responded in a civilized way and you call me names. Its people like you that give halo 1 fanboys a bad name.

Your right, I shouldnt give advice if little asswipes like you are gonna act like pricks. Maybe you should try reading it again.

Posted by: Orbitron414


Putting aside new projects to rework a 4 year old game for a handful of fans doesnt fly in the board room.


By the way dummy, going back to prequals is the new thing, just look at Perfect Dark Zero.


Dummy? Ha. More childish name calling. I am not the dummy here. Like I said, I make games for a living. I go to E3 and GDC, etc. I have met the bungie team. You think I dont know what goes on with games? Its one thing to make a new engine based on a previous game, its another to extend the code of an old game using a team thats not completely familiar with it.

Bungie has stated in the past that whiny complaining jerks like you arent a big enough fanbase to justify the work, and that you frankly dont deserve it.

Stop being a prick, grow up and if you want to have a conversation about how business and game development issues work, act like an adult.

If I have to go back and edit my comments to make them easier for you to understand, I can. But frankly I think my time would be wasted on you judging by your ridiculous response.

I like Halo CE just fine, its a great game. It would be cool if it was on XBL, but I am intelligent enough to understand bungies reasons for not doing it.

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  • 11.10.2005 5:34 AM PDT
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You are insane. Bungie MADE Halo:CE, and will never hate it, I don't see why you assumed this just because they are making new games. By the way, it's 2005. The year after Halo 2 came out, another Halo....are you mad because they are making new games and not new...Halo:CE's? Whatever you are babbling about, your are wrong.

  • 11.10.2005 5:27 PM PDT
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Why do people attack bungie over this issue when Bungie's the only way it would ever happen? You're not going to convince them to recode everything with a forum post. Or probably any way at all. No, for now I think it's more about the story and profit than online play. Not an attack...just stating a fact.

  • 11.10.2005 5:28 PM PDT
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I uderstand that bungie does not have the time to mess with halo 1, but why not another dev implement XBL to halo 1. Kind of like how they had Gear Box make halo 1 for the PC. Seriously, why in the hell not do that?

Also, XBC actual number of hosts, is not a good indication of how many people are interested in halo 1; a lot of people do not know tunneling software exists. But using XBC as an example, halo 1 is the number 2 game played on XBC, next to halo 2. Halo 1 has usually 1/3 of the players of halo 2, which is still a healty chunk.

Now put these percentages into XBL. If halo 1 had 1/3 of the people playing it that halo 2 had, it would be far and away the second most played game on xbl. So tell me, how does this not make buisness sense? Bungie would most likely make money hand over fist, while not having to do nothing.

That being said,

I enjoy both halo's. I think both games are the most polished games i've ever played (along with ninja gaiden). But I still have more fun with halo 1.

Most all halo 1 elites, those who where good at the game, prefer halo 1 over 2. I've tried to enjoy halo 2 as much, but cannot.

The biggest prob with halo 2, for me, is the reduced Field of View. Halo 2's 70 degrees FOV is like walking around with your gun zoomed in; extreme tunnel vision compared to halo 1's 90 FOV.

  • 11.10.2005 5:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Orbitron414
I like how you dont reply to any of my comments with any backround what so ever, just little half senences like "stop making things up" and "quite an exaggeration". The fact, yes fact that after 4 years people are still playing Halo CE on xbc would tell any logical thinking person that Halo CE is a game that stands the test of time. With all of the sucky games that failed on xbox live why not port the best award winning console fps of all time? I'm sorry but if you think that Halo CE upgraded to 1.5 with new maps and new weapons would not sell then you are just a moron. And you most likely are not that good at the game either. Buisness wise Halo CE 1.5 would generate big $$$ and that is a fact, anything Halo at this point is pure $$$.

My advice at this point is stop giving advice lol.



I dont need to put full sentences. Anyone with intelligence can tell they are exaggerations. I could have explained more, but apparently I underestimated your humility and comprehension levels. My mistake.

- There are people on xbc, but not very much. Again, not enough to justify the cost. All your comments are speculation based on your fanboy status.

I'm a moron thinking it would not sell? Did I say it would not sell? No I didnt. I said it wouldnt sell enough to justify the cost. Do you have any idea how much work it takes to go into old engines? No, you dont. I do. In cases like that, its costs a lot of money. Well into the tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands sometimes.

Think for a second...if it could generate enough money, and was possible, then they would do it! Use logic buddy.

Calling me a moron just shows your immaturity and inability to think straight.

I responded in a civilized way and you call me names. Its people like you that give halo 1 fanboys a bad name.

Your right, I shouldnt give advice if little asswipes like you are gonna act like pricks. Maybe you should try reading it again.

Posted by: Orbitron414


Putting aside new projects to rework a 4 year old game for a handful of fans doesnt fly in the board room.


By the way dummy, going back to prequals is the new thing, just look at Perfect Dark Zero.


Dummy? Ha. More childish name calling. I am not the dummy here. Like I said, I make games for a living. I go to E3 and GDC, etc. I have met the bungie team. You think I dont know what goes on with games? Its one thing to make a new engine based on a previous game, its another to extend the code of an old game using a team thats not completely familiar with it.

Bungie has stated in the past that whiny complaining jerks like you arent a big enough fanbase to justify the work, and that you frankly dont deserve it.

Stop being a prick, grow up and if you want to have a conversation about how business and game development issues work, act like an adult.

If I have to go back and edit my comments to make them easier for you to understand, I can. But frankly I think my time would be wasted on you judging by your ridiculous response.

I like Halo CE just fine, its a great game. It would be cool if it was on XBL, but I am intelligent enough to understand bungies reasons for not doing it.




I dont like you.. I think you are very arrogant without much/any justification behind what you say. You answer every question with a demeaning answer with no back up. You think you know everything about Bungie, their abilities as programmers, their revenue, and their expenditures; when in fact, everything you say is just as opinion based as everyone elses. Even my own. But I'm not afraid to admit that. You are too quick to deny anyone elses opinions on Halo 1 because you are so satisfied with the perfect little world Halo 2 has created for you. I don't care if you say your real life is > halo, but then why are you on these forums letting everyone know your hatred for their opinions? Again, I'm not afraid to admit that yes, Halo has taken up some time in my life and I do spend more time on it than I would like. You need to stop being so arrogant and either get off the forums if "almighty jjcorreia"'s life is better than all of this, or please commit suicide. Because I am an atheist, I have low morals and a GREAT sense of humor, and I would not stop laughing if you commited suicide.. much love and fkcu you.


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  • 11.12.2005 1:53 AM PDT
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This conversation is weird...too weird for even me to get into. On one hand, we have a guy that knows nothing about the gaming industry, and on the other we have a guy telling him he is wrong that is in the gaming industry.

Personaly, the guy that made this thread, you are wrong. Fans dont want to see H:ce 1.5 they want H3, why? Because H2 sucked, not because of the cliff hanger ending, that was cool and was to be expected...but because it just wasnt as fun and as re-playable as H:ce was. But people dont care...they want H3, not H1.5 that would be a waist of Bungies little resoarses.

Halo:ce is a clasic, it got Bungies name at every kitchen table in the world, they dont hate it, they love it. And without H:ce Bungie really wouldnt be anywhere, they put out what? A (one) game every 2 years...compare that to say ubisoft who puts out several top quality games a year. The only reason Bungie is still in business is because of this game that you think they hate.

So keep this silly bickering going...its getting humorus. Its not going to happen, no matter how much you ask for it.

  • 11.12.2005 3:38 AM PDT
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I think that they are just frustrated on how Halo CE is still super popular after releasing Halo 2 and working so hard on it.

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working so hard? you mean screwing up so bad. take this with a grain of salt...
they had a real time lighting engine in developement, byut due to something had to scrap it. old H2 pics appear to use the Doom3 engine...
they had a water effects engine in developement, but alas the H2 water looks worse than H1. another thing scrapped due to problems arrising in making something new on a whole new engine.
they had complex vehicle phisics and life structures, recoil on weapons, stun, and more vehicles- all scrapped.

waht does halo2 have over the first? sure, its a new game with new content, but what is really new?
updated graphics.
updated physics that dont work online.
thats it. everyhting else is almost the same but shinier. id say halo2 was a fantastic flop when compared to the technology. sure, it may be fun, but if i waited 3 years for a game i would expect a little more than just online play that still uses a bad netcode and some cool cinematics. they changed engines almost for the worse due to the lack of new additions.

oh, there is boarding. wow! that must have taken a year itself...

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working so hard? you mean screwing up so bad. take this with a grain of salt...
they had a real time lighting engine in developement, byut due to something had to scrap it. old H2 pics appear to use the Doom3 engine...
they had a water effects engine in developement, but alas the H2 water looks worse than H1. another thing scrapped due to problems arrising in making something new on a whole new engine.
they had complex vehicle phisics and life structures, recoil on weapons, stun, and more vehicles- all scrapped.

waht does halo2 have over the first? sure, its a new game with new content, but what is really new?
updated graphics.
updated physics that dont work online.
thats it. everyhting else is almost the same but shinier. id say halo2 was a fantastic flop when compared to the technology. sure, it may be fun, but if i waited 3 years for a game i would expect a little more than just online play that still uses a bad netcode and some cool cinematics. they changed engines almost for the worse due to the lack of new additions.

oh, there is boarding. wow! that must have taken a year itself...



LMAO H2 water looks worse than H1 water?? omg rotflmao. Halo 1 water is horrible compared to Halo 2.

Something you need to remember, is that Halo 1 pushed the limits of the xbox at the time. Halo 2 had to work on the same hardware and yet looks much better.

updated physics that dont work online? again, lmao
bad netcode? ha. I bet you feel smart using that word that you picked up around here. have you seen their code? No. You just heard someone say "the netcode is BAD" and now feel like you are correct in repeating it.

lmao another ridiculous inaccurate post. congrats.

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  • 11.12.2005 7:47 PM PDT
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Fans dont want to see H:ce 1.5 they want H3, why? Because H2 sucked, not because of the cliff hanger ending, that was cool and was to be expected...but because it just wasnt as fun and as re-playable as H:ce was. But people dont care...they want H3, not H1.5 that would be a waist of Bungies little resoarses.

Halo:ce is a clasic, it got Bungies name at every kitchen table in the world, they dont hate it, they love it. And without H:ce Bungie really wouldnt be anywhere, they put out what? A (one) game every 2 years...compare that to say ubisoft who puts out several top quality games a year. The only reason Bungie is still in business is because of this game that you think they hate.

So keep this silly bickering going...its getting humorus. Its not going to happen, no matter how much you ask for it.


Now see, I agree with almost all of that. Thank you.

  • 11.12.2005 7:50 PM PDT

yoo•zel- ('yoo-zhul): slang: vb.

Officium quod Fidelitas.

Bungie has already stated that they will not port Halo: CE over to Xbox Live. Firstly they don’t have the resources (people/time) and there is no actual gain from porting it. Bungie loves Halo: CE, they just don’t feel the need to recreate a game that they already have made. That’s pretty much riding one idea until it’s dead, which Bungie knows not to do.

  • 11.12.2005 9:21 PM PDT

Is it because Halo CE was the brain child of the great Alex Seropian who left Bungie rather then sell out like the rest?
Sorry, Bungie has already sold out. At least twice.

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Ya, but then it would lack the new halo2 features... -- News flash! -- Such game is already out under the name of halo2...

  • 11.13.2005 11:22 AM PDT
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because halo 2 is 10 times better

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I'm a BLACKJACKass and proud of it.....
The place to be.....
Ownage.....
The Hax War!.....
Conquerer of Sniper McGee's empire..........

Why does everyone want the same game twice?........

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Do you really want H:CE on live? Do you want to be called a pistol whore, a homo-blam!- and a n***er all in the same sentence? Do you want to be standbyed and modded? In the end the few people who wanted live will become frustrated and go back to XBC. I never got Live for H2 because I dont want to experience that.

  • 11.17.2005 7:15 PM PDT
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They don't hate it, they just don't give a -blam!- about it anymore. Halo 2 is where the real money is for them.

  • 11.17.2005 8:04 PM PDT

If you don't got it, you want it. If you got it, you want more of it. Of course if you don't know what it is, it's hard to get any in the first place.

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Do you really want H:CE on live? Do you want to be called a pistol whore, a -blam!--blam!- and a n***er all in the same sentence? Do you want to be standbyed and modded? In the end the few people who wanted live will become frustrated and go back to XBC. I never got Live for H2 because I dont want to experience that.

Assho9les don't play games that require skill, such as Halo 1.


So Counter-Strike and BF2 take no skill?

  • 11.17.2005 11:55 PM PDT

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