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The films of Halo Legends depict in an episode Linda, John, Solomon, Arthur and another SII rescuing Dr. E. Halsey form a small Fleet of Covenant ships, launching the attack from a UNSC Prowler, is this supported by cannon evidence, in other words, did it really happen?

  • 11.20.2010 11:45 AM PDT

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It certainly doesn't make sense if it is considered "cannon."

For one, Dr. Halsey seems far too young. There's also no mention in any of the games, books, diary, etc. of her ever being captured by the Covenant, so it would require some substantial retconning in order to make sense in the overall story Halsey and the Spartan II's.

Couple that with some significant breaks in the established physics of the universe (such as the Spartans being able to stop an energy sword's blade with a Spartan Laser and a combat knife? Bit of a stretch, eh?), and it really just doesn't fit.

BTW, what was up with the "Cobra Commander" voice with the Elites on the bridge?

  • 11.20.2010 12:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: I Em I Raptor
The films of Halo Legends depict in an episode Linda, John, Solomon, Arthur and another SII rescuing Dr. E. Halsey form a small Fleet of Covenant ships, launching the attack from a UNSC Prowler, is this supported by cannon evidence, in other words, did it really happen?


Yes. The bonus content at the end of the reissued Fall of Reach supports and clarifies that The Package takes place right after the Battle of Miridem. It's the battle in which Shelia died, an event which Halsey touches off on for one line in Ghosts of Onyx.

Obviously art issues such as Halsey and everyone else's appearance should be put aside, but in the end the event itself is canon.

  • 11.20.2010 12:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Sigma617
and don't even get me started of the -blam!- Dialogue....

"We lost two Spartans today..."

"They were strong but I have to be stronger."

WTF!?

  • 11.20.2010 1:15 PM PDT

Don't take most of Halo legends seriously, please.


Origins is the only jewel.

  • 11.20.2010 1:15 PM PDT
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I still only consider the books canon.

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  • 11.20.2010 1:36 PM PDT
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Thousands of Hunters?
Millions of Scarabs?
Bring it on!

The other Spartan II was Fred. And I could see it happening.

  • 11.20.2010 1:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Wazooty
Don't take most of Halo legends seriously, please.


Origins is the only jewel.
I agree completely.

  • 11.20.2010 1:50 PM PDT

Posted by: CrimsonShadow67
There's also no mention in any of the games, books, diary, etc. of her ever being captured by the Covenant, so it would require some substantial retconning in order to make sense in the overall story Halsey and the Spartan II's.
This argument is complete nonsense. Is CH invalid because Johnson never mentioned his Harvest days in the Halo trilogy and FS? Of course new material is going to introduce new storylines. Halo isn't a static piece, it's being expanded constantly.

  • 11.20.2010 3:20 PM PDT

Never EVER take ANYTHING from Halo Legends seriously. The whole thing is complete trash. Doesn't make any sense at all and is an insult to canon. Not too mention the dialogue and voice acting is horrendous.

  • 11.20.2010 3:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrimsonShadow67
There's also no mention in any of the games, books, diary, etc. of her ever being captured by the Covenant, so it would require some substantial retconning in order to make sense in the overall story Halsey and the Spartan II's.
This argument is complete nonsense. Is CH invalid because Johnson never mentioned his Harvest days in the Halo trilogy and FS? Of course new material is going to introduce new storylines. Halo isn't a static piece, it's being expanded constantly.


And actually, the battle is mentioned in Halsey's diary, when she talks about the absent Spartans. She mentions Sheila, Solomon and Arthur.

  • 11.20.2010 4:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: ONExEPICxSPARTAN
Never EVER take ANYTHING from Halo Legends seriously. The whole thing is complete trash. Doesn't make any sense at all and is an insult to canon. Not too mention the dialogue and voice acting is horrendous.


I find the Halo Legends shorts quite good actually; they do make sense, and how could they be an insult to the canon when they follow it...

Thanks to this shorts we actually know a bit more of history of the Covenant-Human War, we also learn the name of some Spartans II ](Daisy, Cal, Solomon, Arthur, Joseph) we also see the faces of Kelly and Fred, two variations of the Mark IV armor, the face of Catherine Halsey for the first time, the tragic backstory of the Spartans and the Forerunners, Covenant Ships in Battle not only in space, but in the ground, the background and origins of the Arbiter Rank, the origins of Powered Exoesqueletons, the war through the eye of a typical human being, the Insurrection, a brief glimpse of the history of the Human Race, and many other things...

We also know the fate of Cortana and the Chief after years from drifting.

But you all people married with the god damn books are just too blind to see the wonders of this little shorts =/.

They are Canon, but we also need to remember that the directors and creators of said shorts used quite a bunch of Artistic License...




  • 11.20.2010 9:13 PM PDT

-CS67


Posted by: Rolling Flame
Posted by: Mutoid Log
Posted by: CrimsonShadow67
There's also no mention in any of the games, books, diary, etc. of her ever being captured by the Covenant, so it would require some substantial retconning in order to make sense in the overall story Halsey and the Spartan II's.
This argument is complete nonsense. Is CH invalid because Johnson never mentioned his Harvest days in the Halo trilogy and FS? Of course new material is going to introduce new storylines. Halo isn't a static piece, it's being expanded constantly.


And actually, the battle is mentioned in Halsey's diary, when she talks about the absent Spartans. She mentions Sheila, Solomon and Arthur.


Allow me to rephrase: Nothing in the *original* story pieces made any mention of this event--Hence the retconning.

Yes, it's a non-static universe to an extent. Whether or not that is always good is up for debate. (Kinda like how Lucasarts keeps stuffing more plot-arcs into the Star Wars franchise) We basically have to re-learn the story every time a new piece changes the way previously established events pan out in the narrative.

Harvest was new material, yes. But it built up and reinforced an established character in a way that really made sense. Prequels have an easier time at this--the trouble is inserting arcs into existing segments of the narrative. That's where you can really mess the story up. (Fortunately, the impact of The Package is relatively minimal, so for those of us who didn't really like it, it is easily forgettable).

In my opinion, this was the least-"believable" of the Halo Legends works (as Sigma617 pointed out--one prowler vs a covenant fleet? Only way I see that working out is if they had already laid out nuclear mines like in GoO...), so that might be the root of my bias of how well this fits in the cannon. But, it has the Bungie stamp of approval, so this is all moot, regardless of whether we like it or not.

  • 11.20.2010 10:40 PM PDT

i don't think it did becuase Doctor halsey looks like shes in her twenty's and she got master chief in her twenntys.

  • 11.23.2010 11:29 AM PDT
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Posted by: CrimsonShadow67
It certainly doesn't make sense if it is considered "cannon."

For one, Dr. Halsey seems far too young. There's also no mention in any of the games, books, diary, etc. of her ever being captured by the Covenant, so it would require some substantial retconning in order to make sense in the overall story Halsey and the Spartan II's.

Couple that with some significant breaks in the established physics of the universe (such as the Spartans being able to stop an energy sword's blade with a Spartan Laser and a combat knife? Bit of a stretch, eh?), and it really just doesn't fit.

BTW, what was up with the "Cobra Commander" voice with the Elites on the bridge?


Age falls under the perview of artistic lisense. Squint and pretend she's fifty.

The rescue happened, the silly elements of that paticular episode of Legends notwithstanding. I do believe they mentioned the operation in the updated FoR.

  • 11.23.2010 12:14 PM PDT