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Some can come away from reading "War and Peace" thinking it a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe.

...Seems to be already throwing us for a loop before it's even released.

From the summary:

On a Lifeworker's experimental planet, Bornstellar's rebellious course crosses the paths of two humans, and the long lifeline of a great military leader, forever changing Bornstellar's destiny...and the fate of the entire galaxy.

From those simple sentences, we get 2 pieces of information which already doesn't add up with the Halo 3 Terminals, and the Iris campaign.

1. The Forerunner know of Earth, and by the wording they originally terraformed it.
2. Forerunners know of Humans.

Now, I don't want to judge or make pointless theories when the book is due out in a couple months. I just found it very curious and strange. Any thoughts on the matter? (This is one of my rare brief and not mind-blowing threads as some of you may notice).

  • 11.20.2010 8:51 PM PDT

"It is done. By my hands. The pyrrhic solution is ignited. All I have left is the quiet of space to lull me to sleep.
I will dream of you." - The Didact

How does Earth being "Experimental" mean it's terraformed? Need more proof.

  • 11.20.2010 9:05 PM PDT

Doesn't say anything about terraforming.

The Forerunners viewed the Precursors as gods of sorts. And when they found humanity, they were shocked to find them living so humbly, because they regarded them as some advanced and super-intelligent race. Turns out humanity is possibly some last leg of the Precursors, but far from their glorious ancestors.

(None of this are facts I can prove; just my guess)

  • 11.20.2010 10:22 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

From the Flood re-release

Terminal L

Report 12
Batch 416
Span 1445


Military activity beyond the sphere is becoming frantic. The relative calm here impedes my sense of urgency. I find myself reading their reports just to provoke my own emotional response.

My report, however, isn't quite so dramatic.

As predicted, the oceanic life is taking longer to catalogue than the terrestrial and mammalian populations. What's hampering this collection isn't pressure or friction or depth but rather simplifying categorization. It is rare that we find so many disparate flavours of intelligence in a single habitat, but to find mammalian [standard] intelligence along with Schyzophoa and Cephalopoda in oceans further enhances the theory that this planet has seen interference or experiment in its past. This kind of distributed intelligence symmetry tends to hint at artifice.

What's making things more difficult is the rather distasteful process of testing living samples against simulated attack. I find this task immoral, even as I embrace its necessity. I wish that the entire test process could be undertaken synthetically or virtually. But safety precautions prevail. Eventually we will have a simpler baseline measure, and more depressingly, eventually we may have to make an artificial rather than scientific cutoff line.

The primitive simians were simple to categorise by comparison. But of course the more sophisticated ones are proving as enigmatic and evasive as ever.

Typically I prefer outreach and contact, but some regrettable abductions have been necessary.

The differing subspecies and races within the local population of prospects is a situation causing headaches of its own. They may be genetically very close, but their cultures and attitudes are dramatically different. I can attribute some, but not all, of that to their different physical makeup, although surprisingly the C-types, while physically massive and much more powerful than the B-types, are less aggressive and warlike. In fact, they're agrarian by nature and peaceful in intent and outlook. This may, in the long term, hamper their progress here.

The A-types show the most potential for moral intelligence - but it's possible their lack of physical stature might impede them in direct competition with the other two, where tool use and culture do not give them the upper hand. Still, I have high hopes for them. And I enjoy their company even if they don't fully understand what I am, or why I'm here.

The B-types are curious and will watch our activity from a distance, but they're not as gregarious, and seldom venture too close. The C-types are oddly oblivious to our activity, as if it were a mountain or a river that they simply expected to be here.

I miss my friends however, and one especially.

The facility here is impressive. I'm almost embarrassed to have this much access to technology. It's frustrating however, to be this close to "civilisation" and the people I love, yet hermetically sealed away from them by security protocols. In better days, this facility would simply be an open doorway, through which we could all travel and enjoy this world for what it is - the core of a deeper enigma.

But one I feel confident we'll solve one day. I'm the eternal optimist, after all?

Signing off.
L.


(Underlined for importance) It seems that Earth and it's inhabitants are an experiment that pre-dates the Forerunner. The implications are delicious.

  • 11.20.2010 10:28 PM PDT

"It is done. By my hands. The pyrrhic solution is ignited. All I have left is the quiet of space to lull me to sleep.
I will dream of you." - The Didact

How much different is The Flood re-release?

  • 11.20.2010 10:52 PM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

There are five more stories...check your PMs.

Edit: Apparently B.net isn't allowing me to send PMs, awesome.

[Edited on 11.20.2010 11:24 PM PST]

  • 11.20.2010 11:20 PM PDT

We don't know if a "Lifeworker" is Forerunner or not.

My bets are on Precursor. I'm also wagering that this "Long lifeline of a great military leader" is something to do with the Didact.

[Edited on 11.21.2010 12:03 AM PST]

  • 11.21.2010 12:01 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Wolverfrog
We don't know if a "Lifeworker" is Forerunner or not.

My bets are on Precursor. I'm also wagering that this "Long lifeline of a great military leader" is something to do with the Didact.


I agree. The Precursors had the ability to accelerate evolution, so the term "Lifeworker" would completely relate to them.

"Long lifeline of a great miitary leader" is pretty much a dead give-away that Bornstellar will be the Didact, he was the Supreme Commander of the Forerunner military. If this is the case, I hope Bear explores his relationship with the Librarian too.

  • 11.21.2010 4:14 AM PDT

Posted by: ajw34307
The Precursors had the ability to accelerate evolution, so the term "Lifeworker" would completely relate to them.
There is no evidence of any of the abilities of the precursors. All that is known is that their technological level is/was greater than that of the Forerunners; the rest is speculation.

  • 11.21.2010 4:29 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Mutoid Log
Posted by: ajw34307
The Precursors had the ability to accelerate evolution, so the term "Lifeworker" would completely relate to them.
There is no evidence of any of the abilities of the precursors. All that is known is that their technological level is/was greater than that of the Forerunners; the rest is speculation.


From the Halo 3 Bestiarum:
Tier 0: Transsentient
As the Forerunners had no examples of civilizations with technological accomplishment greater than themselves - with the exception of the Precursors - this is a theorectial ceiling. They can travel intergalactically and accelerate evolution of intelligent life. These may be the creatures of legend.

  • 11.21.2010 4:45 AM PDT

Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Mutoid Log
Posted by: ajw34307
The Precursors had the ability to accelerate evolution, so the term "Lifeworker" would completely relate to them.
There is no evidence of any of the abilities of the precursors. All that is known is that their technological level is/was greater than that of the Forerunners; the rest is speculation.


From the Halo 3 Bestiarum:
Tier 0: Transsentient
As the Forerunners had no examples of civilizations with technological accomplishment greater than themselves - with the exception of the Precursors - this is a theorectial ceiling. They can travel intergalactically and accelerate evolution of intelligent life. These may be the creatures of legend.
That does not directly state that the Precursors are tier-0; it only says that they are the only civilization that might be tier 0.

  • 11.21.2010 5:46 AM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

Posted by: Mutoid Log
Posted by: ajw34307
Posted by: Mutoid Log
Posted by: ajw34307
The Precursors had the ability to accelerate evolution, so the term "Lifeworker" would completely relate to them.
There is no evidence of any of the abilities of the precursors. All that is known is that their technological level is/was greater than that of the Forerunners; the rest is speculation.


From the Halo 3 Bestiarum:
Tier 0: Transsentient
As the Forerunners had no examples of civilizations with technological accomplishment greater than themselves - with the exception of the Precursors - this is a theorectial ceiling. They can travel intergalactically and accelerate evolution of intelligent life. These may be the creatures of legend.
That does not directly state that the Precursors are tier-0; it only says that they are the only civilization that might be tier 0.


Then why do the Precursors not appear in the Tier 1 category? Why would the be mentioned in Tier 0? That makes no sense, there's no point trying to deny that the Precursors are Tier 0 because pretty much every mention of them points towards them being that.

Halopedia agrees with me. :)

  • 11.21.2010 5:56 AM PDT


Posted by: Agustus

1. The Forerunner know of Earth, and by the wording they originally terraformed it.
2. Forerunners know of Humans.



....err, have you watched the halo legends origins 1 episode?

The forerunners took humans to the ark so that they were out of range from the halo rings, once the array was over they took them back to earth.

  • 11.21.2010 6:18 AM PDT