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Subject: How Did The Pillar Of Autum Get On Reach's Surface?

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.


Posted by: MegaMuffin16
space magic

Remember, this is a completely serios vidio game, not real life.:) LOL

  • 11.23.2010 8:41 PM PDT

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.


Posted by: VolantAxis
I dont think its the Pillar of Autumn. In the end of Halo 1 didnt the chief have to use its reactor to blow up halo?

You do know that halo:Reach happened BEFORE halo CE?

  • 11.23.2010 9:19 PM PDT

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"That's a ridiculous question."
"False. Master Chief."
"Well, that's debatable. There are basically two schools of thought."
"Spartans shoot Sangheili. Spartans. Sangheili.....Battle Star Galactica."


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Posted by: TheDocSprinkles
PoA had jet pack lol

LOL. I bet that is exactly right for the halo cannon;)


:) Well they DID rewrite the books to make the game more canon right? Haha

  • 11.24.2010 5:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: FALSE R3ALITYx
And Cobravert is absolutely correct.

Posted by: Der Todesengel
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth and Cobra."
- Der

I never read any of the books, but I had just thought that the PoA was made on Reach and that was the shipyard where it was built.
There again, anybody remember playing in the Ark?
The Dawn made a very quick, unassisted landing there. Aren't they the same class of ship?

  • 11.24.2010 7:45 AM PDT

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I am the last of the primes.


Posted by: xisfodad


One last thing, ferrrari, could you post where you got the prototype information from. Thanks in advance.

I remeber muliple times mythic members stating it, so im going on their word, also im sure it said somewhere in 1 of the books.

  • 11.24.2010 9:51 AM PDT

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Quinntology.

It was never there in the first place. Hey look! Cannon was broken again!

  • 11.24.2010 10:19 AM PDT

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they had to make a potty break, duh

  • 11.24.2010 11:28 AM PDT

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.


Posted by: Cobravert
I never read any of the books, but I had just thought that the PoA was made on Reach and that was the shipyard where it was built.
There again, anybody remember playing in the Ark?
The Dawn made a very quick, unassisted landing there. Aren't they the same class of ship?

The Pillar of Autum was made above mars and the Dawn is a frigate and the PoA is a marathon class cruiser.

Edit:Cannon mistake. The Pillar Of Autum is actually a halcyon class cruiser not a marathon class one. They resemble each other but the marathon-class one is newer.

[Edited on 11.24.2010 2:49 PM PST]

  • 11.24.2010 11:54 AM PDT

the autumn isn't a marathon class, its halcyon class. second there is no way in hell (totally impossible) that the autumn' mass is only 100,000 tons, thats rediculous and whoever wrote that (nylund?...) needs a serious slap in the face with a kipper. put it this way a US aircraft carrier (nimitz for example) tips the scales at something like ~110,000 tons, and they are rather hollow in parts and 'only' 332 metres long, thats about ~140 metres shy of even a frigate which would probably tip the scales in the region of somewhere like ~200,000/250,000 tons.

now the autumn (halcyon class) is 1,170 metres long, almost as tall as a frigate is long and as wide (seriously) as a nimitz class supercarrier. not to mention that the whole ship is clad in two metres of armour plating and has insane amounts of internal reinforcements. reckon the mass of a halcyon is more in the region of several 'million' tons rather than 100,000 easily, rough guess from me would be around 2,400,000 tons, so that would put the marathons in at an impressive ~7,000,000 tons, think about it for a second though the autumn is not far short of three times the length of the biggest ship ever constructed (seawise giant, and other names) and that can tip the scales fully laden at ~600,000 tons.

man this is why i hate lazy writers and dodgy science fiction, for someone to come up with the number 100,000 for a ship as mind bogglingly enormous as the autumn stinks of pure stupidity. wish science fiction game developers would pull their heads out of their rears and actually do some serious thinking about things before putting pen to paper so to speak.

[Edited on 11.24.2010 2:11 PM PST]

  • 11.24.2010 2:08 PM PDT

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.


Posted by: ferrrari

Posted by: xisfodad


One last thing, ferrrari, could you post where you got the prototype information from. Thanks in advance.

I remeber muliple times mythic members stating it, so im going on their word, also im sure it said somewhere in 1 of the books.

Any idea for the book's title? If I had to guess though it would be Contact Harvest because it takes place before the main war and I haven't read it in a while

  • 11.24.2010 2:18 PM PDT

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.

Are you talking about the one with Halsley talking about the invasion of Reach with the grass around the helmet? Because that was after the end of the war because if you notice, there are futeristic structures in the backround that weren't there before when Noble Six gets killed.

[Edited on 11.24.2010 2:21 PM PST]

  • 11.24.2010 2:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: opogjijijp
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: opogjijijp
It probably weighs at least 10 times as much as a typical frigate, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were more like 20

The canon mass is ~100,000 tons, or 25 times the mass of a frigate. Of course that's still absurdly light and gives it a density less than aerogel and just slightly more than air.
That 100 thousand tons is Nylund retconning himself.


How is that a retcon? It's always been the mass of a cruiser, and is several orders of magnitude to low.


The weight of materials do not correspond to strength. It is possible the fabrication of super-strong nano to even femto-composite materials was plausible by 2552, to which ships would be lighter than to what our perceptions would be in the 21st century.

~B2

  • 11.24.2010 2:21 PM PDT

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.


Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: opogjijijp
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Posted by: opogjijijp
It probably weighs at least 10 times as much as a typical frigate, and I wouldn't be surprised if it were more like 20

The canon mass is ~100,000 tons, or 25 times the mass of a frigate. Of course that's still absurdly light and gives it a density less than aerogel and just slightly more than air.
That 100 thousand tons is Nylund retconning himself.


How is that a retcon? It's always been the mass of a cruiser, and is several orders of magnitude to low.


The weight of materials do not correspond to strength. It is possible the fabrication of super-strong nano to even femto-composite materials was plausible by 2552, to which ships would be lighter than to what our perceptions would be in the 21st century.

~B2

Even if that is the actual weight, it would weigh a whole lot more because of all the weapons and supports that were added in its refit so it would be even heavier than its original weight.

  • 11.24.2010 2:22 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Posted by: xisfodad

Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: opogjijijp
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
That 100 thousand tons is Nylund retconning himself.


How is that a retcon? It's always been the mass of a cruiser, and is several orders of magnitude to low.


The weight of materials do not correspond to strength. It is possible the fabrication of super-strong nano to even femto-composite materials was plausible by 2552, to which ships would be lighter than to what our perceptions would be in the 21st century.

~B2

Even if that is the actual weight, it would weigh a whole lot more because of all the weapons and supports that were added in its refit so it would be even heavier than its original weight.


And the refit doesnt include nanocomposite materials as well?

~B2

  • 11.24.2010 2:45 PM PDT

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.


Posted by: mattnail47

Posted by: ferrrari
Before the war started, the unsc was on the brink of getting anti gravity, (they already had some prototypes), fast forward 30 years and gaining tech from the covies, it's highly possibe that ships used anti gravity and bottem thrusters to keep them afloat on a planet.


This could be true, like at the end of "tip of the spear" why did that destroyed human frigate fall so slowly?

also to the original post, it's spelled "theories", not "therories". lol

You have to remember though that it is falling at a regular speed but because it is so big, even though it si falling normal speed it looks slower because of its size. Also, the reason frigates can stay in atmosphere may be because of thrusters so maybe the thrusters were still using the last trickles of energy from the reactor before disconnecting. I like to think of it like with a propeller-propelled boat(vs. like a jet ski), the propeller is still spinning after you cut the motor, so maybe it worked like that, but anti-grav could be the reason though.

[Edited on 11.24.2010 2:47 PM PST]

  • 11.24.2010 2:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

It got there through shoddy writing and the belief of whoever is handling the story at Bungie that facts cease to exist when they are ignored.

Oh, you're wondering how it "actually" got there. Well, there's really no explanation for that either seeing as how it isn't capable of in-atmosphere flight and it is doing something completely different (and not on the surface of Reach) in the books.

  • 11.24.2010 2:50 PM PDT

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.


Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: xisfodad

Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: opogjijijp
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
That 100 thousand tons is Nylund retconning himself.


How is that a retcon? It's always been the mass of a cruiser, and is several orders of magnitude to low.


The weight of materials do not correspond to strength. It is possible the fabrication of super-strong nano to even femto-composite materials was plausible by 2552, to which ships would be lighter than to what our perceptions would be in the 21st century.

~B2

Even if that is the actual weight, it would weigh a whole lot more because of all the weapons and supports that were added in its refit so it would be even heavier than its original weight.


And the refit doesnt include nanocomposite materials as well?

~B2

Maybe not THAT much heavier, but even with nanocomposite materials, no matter what, it would add some sort of weight even if it isn't that much overall.

  • 11.24.2010 2:52 PM PDT

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.


Posted by: dibbs089
It got there through shoddy writing and the belief of whoever is handling the story at Bungie that facts cease to exist when they are ignored.

Oh, you're wondering how it "actually" got there. Well, there's really no explanation for that either seeing as how it isn't capable of in-atmosphere flight and it is doing something completely different (and not on the surface of Reach) in the books.

Sorry about wrongly naming thsi thread, because it was supposed to have people post their theories about it because I can't think of any cannon reasons but some people may have.

  • 11.24.2010 2:54 PM PDT

We believe that the universe is unbounded: this is not the same as infinite: the 2-D surface of a sphere, wrapped around a 3rd dimension, has a finite size, but has no end. If you start off in a given direction on the surface of a sphere, you could return to your start point without having to turn around -- you simply go all the way around. But wouldn't that mean the universe has an escape velocity like the earth?

Posted by: xisfodad

Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: xisfodad

Posted by: Bungie2
Posted by: opogjijijp


How is that a retcon? It's always been the mass of a cruiser, and is several orders of magnitude to low.


The weight of materials do not correspond to strength. It is possible the fabrication of super-strong nano to even femto-composite materials was plausible by 2552, to which ships would be lighter than to what our perceptions would be in the 21st century.

~B2

Even if that is the actual weight, it would weigh a whole lot more because of all the weapons and supports that were added in its refit so it would be even heavier than its original weight.


And the refit doesnt include nanocomposite materials as well?

~B2

Maybe not THAT much heavier, but even with nanocomposite materials, no matter what, it would add some sort of weight even if it isn't that much overall.


If the Final Weight was 100,000 after refit, it works. and due to the old Halcyon Designs that would place the Pillar of Autumn at 95,400 T before refit.

~B2

  • 11.24.2010 9:16 PM PDT

It's ironic how similar the bloom reaction is to the BR Spread reaction.

Cpt Keyes wanted a Moa burger, and he decided to arrive in style.

  • 11.24.2010 10:20 PM PDT

They built/gave it its refits on the surface.

  • 11.24.2010 10:38 PM PDT

ok heres how it got there ok .................................................... read the books it was made on reach

  • 11.25.2010 7:31 AM PDT

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Posted by: xXluster fireXx
ok heres how it got there ok .................................................... read the books it was made on reach


The books say it was refit in space. There is only a single piece of content (ironically placed in the book that tells the story that says the Autumn was refit in space) that heavily implies that the Autumn was refit groundside.

  • 11.25.2010 8:40 AM PDT

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