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Subject: How Did The Pillar Of Autum Get On Reach's Surface?

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.


Posted by: ThunderCurls
Cpt Keyes wanted a Moa burger, and he decided to arrive in style.

LOL. I love these random ideas!

  • 11.25.2010 5:34 PM PDT

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.


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Posted by: xXluster fireXx
ok heres how it got there ok .................................................... read the books it was made on reach


The books say it was refit in space. There is only a single piece of content (ironically placed in the book that tells the story that says the Autumn was refit in space) that heavily implies that the Autumn was refit groundside.

I'm pretty sure though that the Pillar of Autum was made in orbit over mars.
"The Pillar of Autumn was constructed at the Reyes-McLees Shipyards on Mars in 2509."
-Halopedia (UNSC Pillar Of Autumn)

  • 11.25.2010 5:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: xXluster fireXx
ok heres how it got there ok .................................................... read the books it was made on reach


The books say it was refit in space. There is only a single piece of content (ironically placed in the book that tells the story that says the Autumn was refit in space) that heavily implies that the Autumn was refit groundside.

I'm pretty sure though that the Pillar of Autum was made in orbit over mars.
"The Pillar of Autumn was constructed at the Reyes-McLees Shipyards on Mars in 2509."
-Halopedia (UNSC Pillar Of Autumn)



Why are you talking about where it was built? It has absolutely nothing to do with my post which was referring to the refit.

  • 11.25.2010 5:52 PM PDT

Escalators don't break, they just become stairs.


Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: xisfodad

Posted by: StealthSlasher2

Posted by: xXluster fireXx
ok heres how it got there ok .................................................... read the books it was made on reach


The books say it was refit in space. There is only a single piece of content (ironically placed in the book that tells the story that says the Autumn was refit in space) that heavily implies that the Autumn was refit groundside.

I'm pretty sure though that the Pillar of Autum was made in orbit over mars.
"The Pillar of Autumn was constructed at the Reyes-McLees Shipyards on Mars in 2509."
-Halopedia (UNSC Pillar Of Autumn)



Why are you talking about where it was built? It has absolutely nothing to do with my post which was referring to the refit.

It was reffering to xXluster fireXx's post saying it would made on reach. Sorry about the misunderstanding.

  • 11.25.2010 5:56 PM PDT

It landed.

  • 11.25.2010 6:29 PM PDT

the tonnage stated is rediculous, as i said earlier for numerous reasons there is no way in a million years the autumn is 100,000 tons or anywhere even remotely close to that, how can anyone seriously think that is the correct tonnage, its mind boggling! also a ship that large just can't feasibly land, it has no thrusters dedicated to atmospheric flight (disagree? where are they then?) the only possible way something like that could even contemplate landing would be butt first, landing with the main engines pointing planetside, but even then i doubt the engines could produce enough thrust to break orbit like that, the ship is simply too massive.

so if theres any reason to say that reach broke the halo universe, this is about the biggest reason to date. the autumn' mass is likely somewhere in the million ton range, no less than that i would say. also something that someone pointed out earlier has great relevance, the fact that the autumn was made in orbit of mars, orbit being the key factor which suggests the ship is too massive to launch from the surface, why else would one go to so much effort to build it in orbit, it was never ever intended to go in atmosphere. also the theory of anti-gravity is basically defunct for one reason, why would they use those 'detachable' rediculously small boosters when the autumn takes off if it had anti-gravity device of some sort? what would the purpose be?

to give you a 'small' example of what im trying to get across here, when the world trade centre was still there, you could stand both the north and south towers on-top of eachother, thats about three hundred metres shorter than the length of the autumn, think about that for a second to actually comprehend how big the ship was before stating anything, not to mention the autumn is like the height of the world trade centre in height as well, the trade centre had 110 floors, so how many decks i wonder does the autumn have? also may i note that the very very much hollow world trade centre (each tower) was estimated to weigh in at around 500,000 tons, supporting the idea that the autumn' mass is well in excess of a million tons.

[Edited on 11.26.2010 5:46 PM PST]

  • 11.26.2010 5:35 PM PDT

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Maybe it was outfitted with the same rockets it used to lift itself up. Using rockets type thing to land and then the same technology to lift itself up.

But that seems unlikely.

  • 11.26.2010 5:42 PM PDT

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
the tonnage stated is rediculous, as i said earlier for numerous reasons there is no way in a million years the autumn is 100,000 tons or anywhere even remotely close to that, how can anyone seriously think that is the correct tonnage, its mind boggling! also a ship that large just can't feasibly land, it has no thrusters dedicated to atmospheric flight (disagree? where are they then?) the only possible way something like that could even contemplate landing would be butt first, landing with the main engines pointing planetside, but even then i doubt the engines could produce enough thrust to break orbit like that, the ship is simply too massive.

so if theres any reason to say that reach broke the halo universe, this is about the biggest reason to date. the autumn' mass is likely somewhere in the million ton range, no less than that i would say. also something that someone pointed out earlier has great relevance, the fact that the autumn was made in orbit of mars, orbit being the key factor which suggests the ship is too massive to launch from the surface, why else would one go to so much effort to build it in orbit, it was never ever intended to go in atmosphere. also the theory of anti-gravity is basically defunct for one reason, why would they use those 'detachable' rediculously small boosters when the autumn takes off if it had anti-gravity device of some sort? what would the purpose be?

to give you a 'small' example of what im trying to get across here, when the world trade centre was still there, you could stand both the north and south towers on-top of eachother, thats about three hundred metres shorter than the length of the autumn, think about that for a second to actually comprehend how big the ship was before stating anything, not to mention the autumn is like the height of the world trade centre in height as well, the trade centre had 110 floors, so how many decks i wonder does the autumn have? also may i note that the very very much hollow world trade centre (each tower) was estimated to weigh in at around 500,000 tons, supporting the idea that the autumn' mass is well in excess of a million tons.



You need to take into consideration that the twin towers are made out of concretion and iron / steal etc. However the materials in 2500 should by some form of logic be a lot lighter considering the technological break thoughs that would have occurred from now(2000) to then(2500), in nano technology and in material sciences.

An easy example would be that of kevlar and new types of body armor being developed such as DEFLEXION cloth http://www.tomsguide.com/us/dow-corning-deflexion-protective-t extile,news-9048.html - Which is a lot lighter then Kevlar and provides (in theory) about the same kind of protection.

  • 11.27.2010 1:37 AM PDT

don't worry im well aware of the possibility of more advanced materials but sorry, its still a load of utter horse blam! just how light do you think titanium is as an example? its not 'that' light you know and the autumns entire hull is clad in two metres thick titanium plating, that right there is an absolute massive amount of mass, and yes the world trade centre was concrete, sure but its was mostly hollow, the heaviest parts were the supporting stucture (beams, etc.) and the concrete floors, look at the seawise giant (super tanker, biggest ship ever made) the hull isn't that thick, sure its made from steel but its not two metres thick, not even close! not to mention the 'armour' of the autumn is two metres thick, armour generally sits over something else! sorry but the mass given is total rubbish, its as simple as that really.

  • 11.27.2010 12:47 PM PDT

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  • 11.27.2010 12:53 PM PDT
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Well, I thought the PoA was built/suited up on Reach.

  • 11.27.2010 12:54 PM PDT
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the tonnage stated is rediculous, as i said earlier for numerous reasons there is no way in a million years the autumn is 100,000 tons or anywhere even remotely close to that

Checking the surface area of the Autumn model, multiplying by 2 to get volume and then by 4.5 tons/m^3, I get 20,000,000 tons for the armor alone. Add in the massive interior structure, MAC rounds, missiles, superconducting magnets, vehicles, people, food, water, a massive amount of hydrogen for use as a propellant and/or fuel and it could easily be several times greater than that.

the only possible way something like that could even contemplate landing would be butt first, landing with the main engines pointing planetside, but even then i doubt the engines could produce enough thrust to break orbit like that, the ship is simply too massive.

And you'd probably want to be very very far away from it when it landed/took off, considering the amount of energy that a fusion drive capable of moving 20 million tons would put out.

lso the theory of anti-gravity is basically defunct for one reason, why would they use those 'detachable' rediculously small boosters when the autumn takes off if it had anti-gravity device of some sort? what would the purpose be?

Maybe the AG system needs some help.

[Edited on 11.27.2010 1:28 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2010 1:28 PM PDT

marines hooah !!!!!!!

the PoA most likely stop at a space dock in orbit and got refitted so that it could go into the atmosphere.
and it took a stop on harvest so they could have replated it then that is my opinion, and i don;t think it did the atmosphere jump because at the end of the game it just fly's out of the atmosphere.

and the thrusters on the bottom of the PoA are lift off thrusters they help a unsc class crusiers to corvettes

  • 11.27.2010 1:50 PM PDT

Oh hey there

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It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

Short answer with out going through this thread: It shouldn't be there.

  • 11.27.2010 2:04 PM PDT

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