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Subject: The needler is way too underrated
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I found out that the needler is now my favorite weapon.

1--It shoots homing pink needles that explode on impact. It doesn't get much cooler than that.

2--You can explode someone two to three times with one clip, and still damage (or kill) nearby enemies.

3--On Campaign, you find ammo for it everywhere.
4--On Campaign, a needler explosion will set off nearby grenades.
5--One clip is enough to deplete an overshield and instantly kill its owner.


In short, the needler simply rocks. Calling it the worst weapon just isn't right in my opinion.

  • 11.12.2005 1:59 PM PDT
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well considering it's also by far the easiest weapon to dodge....especially in multi player, if you're playing anyone half decent you wont be able to get a needler kill, i guarantee it

  • 11.12.2005 3:39 PM PDT

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  • 11.12.2005 3:53 PM PDT
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i went to play some 'pros' at some house. freaking idiots thought oddball was better when you were faster than everyone else and didnt show up on the radar/objective marker.

anywase, i was using the needler and i said it was the most skillful weapon in the game, moreso than the pistol. the guy watching me bet me that i couldnt kill his awesome buddy with the needler.
around the next corner, i killed his awesome buddy wiht the needler- we were on BC.
then he says i couldnt do it if we were out in the open. i toss a nade and finish him off with a full clip of needler ammo due to the bounce effect- while he is out in the open.
then he says he' bet me that i couldnt do it out in the open with out using a nade. i said jesus christ, i just owned your awesome friend! shuttup already.

anywase, i love using it on BC and i can often get kills with it. especiall against a guy running for the SSM launcher...

  • 11.12.2005 5:41 PM PDT
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I agree that the needler is an underrated gun ,but I have found that im most of my multiplayer games that it IS easy to dodge. When you do get a hit though it can be effective.

[Edited on 11/13/2005]

  • 11.13.2005 10:10 AM PDT
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anyone see that demo where a bunch of touney winners went to try out halo2 on zanzi? it was a prerelease biuld, and the needler was fixed.

faster needlers, more damage on impact, less on explosions...

  • 11.13.2005 5:20 PM PDT
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Yes, it basically shot as fast as an SMG!!! But like you said, you sacrifice explodie damage for rate of fire and probably less homing ability, unless it has the same homing.

And someone said something that makes total sense: keep the needler's' fire rate the same, just make it's homing ability equal to the plasma pistol and make the PP have the OPPOSITE homing ability

Tons of problems solved...all at once!!!

  • 11.13.2005 5:28 PM PDT
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i remember someone saying that a long time ago as well. i i remember wondering, and still wondering, why bungie hasnt fixed it.

i like halo2, but their are some really obvious balance issues with it. rather that continually say how they made a perfect game, you think bungle would just make anotehr patch and fix things. they did the one patch for nades and melees... why not another to fix the needler and PP. hell, if thye could, the shotgun as well.

or woulkd that take another year and a half of testing?

  • 11.13.2005 6:45 PM PDT

The needler, as with most weapons in Halo, is merely a gun which has its own specific time and place. It is very useful in single player and can be effective in multiplayer. However, it is easy to dodge if you see it coming and have the room to dance and the delay in its killing power (having to wait for the needles to explode) makes it a seldom used firearm in the multiplayer style I personally use.

  • 11.13.2005 9:26 PM PDT

i would love it, except for the fact that enemies MOVE to get out of the way and go behind cover.

  • 11.14.2005 5:42 AM PDT
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Couldnt agree more. Needler is way underrated.

[Edited on 11/14/2005]

  • 11.14.2005 5:54 AM PDT
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its underrated. BUT i could kill you with ANY weapon before you kill me with a needler. trust me these people you were facing wouldnt even be considered noobs there that bad.

  • 11.14.2005 4:20 PM PDT
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I'll tell you when the needler is useful - Defense on Assault. Let the bomb guy think he's in the clear, and then BANG. A giant pink explosion sends the bomb flying out of the circle.

  • 11.14.2005 4:44 PM PDT
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In MULTIPLAYER the Needler has very little use. Generally the only way you are going to get a big enough explosion on someone is if you take them by surprise and have enough time to get a number of them off before you are detected - and if you have that much time why not just do nade+pistol? Plus, the melee is slow. Though, if you have grenades, the double melee shouldn't be that bad, but it's still not AR quality.

  • 11.14.2005 5:32 PM PDT
Subject: The needler is way too underrated

I agree. Every time(in Halo1) when I have to choose between shotty and needler, I go with the needler.

  • 11.14.2005 5:41 PM PDT
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The needler is the only dual weilding weapon that can't take out a BR up close by itself. Without nades. Excluding the magnum.

Heck, Plasma pistol is a more usfull weapon than that POS. The PP works good with practically anything you can name.

Sure the needler can be nice lookin but it's nothing amazing in terms of useage....

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  • 11.14.2005 5:46 PM PDT

Ok. This is a halo1 forum, so don't talk about how it is in halo2, but how it is in halo1!

  • 11.14.2005 5:49 PM PDT
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One thing I really like about the needler is that it goes around corners.

True, it practically sucks on multiplayer. But on T & R, in the first hangar bay you come across, there is a huge battle. Some elites shoot from above. But see, the major problem is that the elites take cover behind a box when a single bullet comes in their direction.

So what I do, is I unleash a full clip of needles...watch them follow him around the corner...and after a few seconds, I hear a scream and see the satisfying pink glow of the explosion go off two or three times.

But then someone sticks me with a plasma nade.

  • 11.14.2005 6:20 PM PDT
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True, it's very useful on Legendary. Hold the trigger for a few seconds and then kee-haul out of there.

-TGP-

  • 11.14.2005 6:27 PM PDT
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i was killed by the splash damage from my teammate running next to me in halo1. my friend got a double kill with the needler. we all stopped for a very long communal laugh.

  • 11.14.2005 7:38 PM PDT
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To say that the needler is effective (at all) in multiplayer is so much less than laughable. I just don't know who you guys are playing that can't seem to deal with a needler being shot at them.

I actually gave the gun a chance after one of our hundreds of lan parties when there was only like 3 guys left hanging out and after alot of games and alot of testing we concluded that the needler is a great weapon if your opponent can qualify a few spcifications first.

1.he must not know you are BEHIND him.
2.he must be in a very long hallway.
3.he must be far enough away from you to not kill you when he detonates.
4.he must run in a straight line.
5.he must be distracted so as to not hear you fire and simply turn around.

If not all of these were met, we found that the bullets were absurdly easy to dodge. So... i seriously tried to give this thing a chance and really, it's only good on legendary.

  • 11.14.2005 11:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: Anonymous Dark
I agree. Every time(in Halo1) when I have to choose between shotty and needler, I go with the needler.


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  • 11.14.2005 11:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: P3CK
To say that the needler is effective (at all) in multiplayer is so much less than laughable. I just don't know who you guys are playing that can't seem to deal with a needler being shot at them.

I actually gave the gun a chance after one of our hundreds of lan parties when there was only like 3 guys left hanging out and after alot of games and alot of testing we concluded that the needler is a great weapon if your opponent can qualify a few spcifications first.

1.he must not know you are BEHIND him.
2.he must be in a very long hallway.
3.he must be far enough away from you to not kill you when he detonates.
4.he must run in a straight line.
5.he must be distracted so as to not hear you fire and simply turn around.

If not all of these were met, we found that the bullets were absurdly easy to dodge. So... i seriously tried to give this thing a chance and really, it's only good on legendary.


finally, someone who agrees with me

  • 11.15.2005 6:53 AM PDT
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the only time i have the nerve to use the needler is when were down like 20 points when i say to my comrades, "time for some dual needlers!", then we lose even worse.

  • 11.15.2005 9:47 AM PDT

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