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Subject: I played Halo PC multiplayer for the first time...

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...and I found it to be meh. No, I'm not delusional, high, or mentally handicapped. This is my honest opinion, and please don't flame me for it.

I went into the game, really trying to like it and hyped about it, after hearing what the forums have to say about it. It let me down terribly.

- Hit detection was terrible (yes, I have good aim), but it might be because of my connection, so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.

- Vehicles were messed up. Some guy always went around in a Warthog and managed to splatter everyone easily. The physics of the vehicles, primarily the Warthog, were messed up as well. I glance off a rock, and I go tumbling. Sometimes, I got splattered by my own vehicle when I got flipped.

- Spawning is terrible. Almost every single time I spawned, I spawned within Plasma Pistol firing distance of an enemy. I also cannot count the number of times I splattered a guy who just spawned right in front of me.

- Weapon balance was atrocious. Everyone used the Magnum, it wasn't even funny. No other non-power weapons were even being used. The so-called powerful AR that I kept on hearing about was useless at every range besides close quarters; it was that inaccurate. Burst firing didn't help that much, since the pistol could do it quicker and faster.

- Pistol was OP. A three shot kill, scoped, rapid-firing gun that you spawn with? Tell me that's not OP. And kill times edged along the "too fast" category. Often times, I killed a guy before he even turned around to face me. It's really not that hard to aim, either, like the community said it was.

- Teammates were the worst I've ever encountered. Perhaps this is the community's problem, not the game's, but I met betrayers, weapon stealers, lone wolves, and general oblivious players almost every game I went into.

Don't get me wrong, the CE campaign was pretty good. Not the best, IMO, but still good; I enjoyed playing co-op on it a lot. It's just that the multiplayer portion of it was not as good, in fact, it was undeserving of almost all the hype that I received. I was expecting a good, if not great, MM experience; instead, I got something worse than any MM game I've played.

  • 11.25.2010 11:18 PM PDT

Everything you said is true. Hit detections is terrible, it is some kind of problem with the net code or something and there is nothing that can be done. Many players do not know how to communicate or cooperate (it may be due to a large number of foreigners that play tho, or it may be the annoying 13 year olds who refuse to work as a team, either way it sucks, but playing with clan servers can help becasue they are generally more mature). Everything else you said is just how the game was designed. Weps are not always the most balanced, but that's how Halo is. Its a fun game. But its not for everyone. If you are use to the Xbox version you may not like it as much.

  • 11.26.2010 12:38 AM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Your hit detection problem is the result of bad netcode that was introduced when Gearbox modified the original netcode intended for the game to be compatible with dial-up connections. You have to lead your shots in HPC according to your ping. Higher ping, lead further. Not by very much, though.

The pistol is certainly not OP, though. It's just deadly in the right hands, and worthless in everyone else's. A game balancer to allow skilled players to come out of just about any situation victorious. Even that guy you were talking about in the warthog could be taken down by a single decent player using this weapon and maybe a single grenade. Simply put, it's the BR/DMR, but done right.

You used the term MM. Matchmaking. A term almost never used in PC gaming. You're a console gamer, aren't you?

  • 11.26.2010 1:22 AM PDT

This is the average H2 Fanboy.
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50 in H2/H3? Great, but you still fail at this.

If you play on the right servers, Halo pc/ce is fun. Xfire can help you find a server that isn't "MY x LOVES UNLIMITED ROCKETS" or "HALO MODS".

  • 11.26.2010 6:55 AM PDT

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You used the term MM. Matchmaking. A term almost never used in PC gaming. You're a console gamer, aren't you?

Yes, I am. Perhaps I should've put MP instead.

  • 11.28.2010 7:16 AM PDT

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Posted by: S Squared4
You had to play it back in 05 to be able to still enjoy it now. Halo Pc is one of my favorite games of all times. I miss the Ol' Bungie servers on CTF Danger Canyon. I miss ME=KING pissing everyone of team killing, than instantly joining back. I miss the hour long Blood Gulch CTF. I miss klanbattles.com

Such an Epic game deserves respect. The only bad part was the hit detection sucked balls.

Isn't that a flaw, then? To only be able to enjoy it if you started five years ago? I should be able to pick it up and enjoy it from the start. Due to the points above, in the OP, CE has fallen from high up in my list to pretty much the bottom.

  • 11.28.2010 7:17 AM PDT
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Having fun in HPC is dependant on the server settings. A huge portion of the servers are dull, modded games. For me at least, I'll only have fun if it's a standard human weapons type on one of the better maps.

As for the hit reg, you're probably just not aware of leading yet. You have to aim ahead of where you want the bullet to land in order to compensate for the game's netcode.

  • 11.28.2010 11:35 AM PDT

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Everytime someone buys a copy of Halo 2 Vista, a puppy dies.

ok, so now that you have reviewed Halo 1 PC, why not try Halo 2 Vista?

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  • 11.28.2010 11:40 AM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

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ok, so now that you have reviewed Halo 1 PC, why not try Halo 2 Vista?

xDDDDDD

He's a console gamer. This is probably the first PC game he's ever touched. So suffice to say, he'll probably love H2V and hate HPC.

  • 11.28.2010 12:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: DusK
Posted by: Shock120
ok, so now that you have reviewed Halo 1 PC, why not try Halo 2 Vista?

xDDDDDD

He's a console gamer. This is probably the first PC game he's ever touched. So suffice to say, he'll probably love H2V and hate HPC.

Generalizations much? This was the first PC online game that I've touched. I wouldn't think so badly of it if the forums didn't hype it up so much, but I digress.

  • 11.28.2010 1:10 PM PDT
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Yeah. That's right. I don't have a 50 in H3. I never got Onyx in Reach. If a game sucks too much, I won't even bother trying for such trivial "accolades". Besides, I've done way more things that take far more skill and talent than anything that can be done in a video game.

Well, see, there's my point. You're a console gamer. And console gamers wouldn't know the first thing about good PC FPS multiplayer. So you're essentially comparing HPC's multiplayer to the noobish stuff you find on consoles. The fact that you're a console gamer also makes your whole "I'm a good shot" argument irrelevant.

My guess it that you went into a few servers, tried the AR/melee rush deal like you're so used to in H3, got slapped down by a good player using the pistol, starting complaining about how the pistol is OP, and came here to vent about what a terrible game it is, despite never playing another multiplayer PC FPS ever.

  • 11.28.2010 1:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: DusK
Well, see, there's my point. You're a console gamer. And console gamers wouldn't know the first thing about good PC FPS multiplayer. So you're essentially comparing HPC's multiplayer to the noobish stuff you find on consoles. The fact that you're a console gamer also makes your whole "I'm a good shot" argument irrelevant.

My guess it that you went into a few servers, tried the AR/melee rush deal like you're so used to in H3, got slapped down by a good player using the pistol, starting complaining about how the pistol is OP, and came here to vent about what a terrible game it is, despite never playing another multiplayer PC FPS ever.

It would really help your case if you stopped making all these generalizations about console gaming.

As for your other generalization about me AR rushing, I didn't do that at all. I used the pistol, like everyone suggested, and I actually did pretty well with it. Perhaps I was playing with a group of bad people, but I switched in and out of servers and played a good deal of the game. I didn't do badly at all.

  • 11.28.2010 1:51 PM PDT
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You make some valid points Ramen. Hit detection is indeed a problem, as already explained, the shoddy coding is to blame.

The vehicles did work a bit weird in Halo 1 as well, something fixed in the sequels.

I think you'll get to like the pistol eventually if you keep playing though, but you are right it was a really unbalanced weapon. I really miss it in the other Halo games :(

  • 11.28.2010 3:15 PM PDT
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1: Valid point. It isnt as noticable when you are in a server with a good connection though.

2: You're just used to the newer Halo's physics engine.

3: Spawns werent so complex back when H1 was made. Whilst I can see how they would be frustrating for a newer player coming from consoles, they are something you get used to and eventually maybe overcome.

4 and 5: H1 had some of the best balancing out of all the Halo games imo. Every weapon had a role and worked well; its just a case of learning each role. The pistol, whilst powerful, still was outclassed by other guns in various scenarios.

6: Find a decent server with decent players; this isnt consoles where it does that for you i'm afraid.

I think you are just used to the newer Halo games and console gaming in general, tbh. I imagine you would think differently if you were used to H1 before touching H3 and Reach.

  • 11.28.2010 4:33 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.


Posted by: Ramen 6378
Perhaps I was playing with a group of bad people...


Halo PC came out in fall 2003. The community is much smaller now in soon to be 2011. Unfortunately most of the good players moved on from Halo PC years ago.
The netcode is strange. There is more involved than just leading your shots. It's hard to explain, but you almost have to aim twice, first directly onto the enemy, then second you lead them and shoot. It takes some practice.

  • 11.29.2010 1:51 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.


Posted by: Ramen 6378

It would really help your case if you stopped making all these generalizations about console gaming.

As for your other generalization about me AR rushing, I didn't do that at all. I used the pistol, like everyone suggested, and I actually did pretty well with it. Perhaps I was playing with a group of bad people, but I switched in and out of servers and played a good deal of the game. I didn't do badly at all.


The AR is actually decent at longer ranges, but you have to lead quite a bit and use bursts. For some reason people tend to forget to lead weapons besides the pistol and sniper. Every weapon/action must be led, including melee, grenades, jumping out of hogs....everything.

  • 11.29.2010 1:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Frnksnbns



Every weapon/action must be led, including melee,


funny thought just crossed my mind, let's try this in real life. Maybe if I swing my fist in front of this guy he will walk into it and die.

  • 11.30.2010 12:38 PM PDT

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50 in H2/H3? Great, but you still fail at this.


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Posted by: Frnksnbns



Every weapon/action must be led, including melee,


funny thought just crossed my mind, let's try this in real life. Maybe if I swing my fist in front of this guy he will walk into it and die.

That's how kinect works, not real life.

  • 11.30.2010 1:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mstenger404
funny thought just crossed my mind, let's try this in real life. Maybe if I swing my fist in front of this guy he will walk into it and die.

I think the lead required to hit opposing players in Halo Combat Evolved PC is somewhat realistic. But I'm no physicist.

I'm sure it's difficult to make a perfectly realistic video game.

  • 11.30.2010 1:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
I'm sure it's difficult to make a perfectly realistic video game.

And if they did, everyone would complain. No one wants a truly realistic game.

And on another note, thank you to everyone for the mature comments, and not calling me out as a console gamer.

  • 11.30.2010 1:39 PM PDT


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Posted by: Mstenger404
funny thought just crossed my mind, let's try this in real life. Maybe if I swing my fist in front of this guy he will walk into it and die.

I think the lead required to hit opposing players in Halo Combat Evolved PC is somewhat realistic. But I'm no physicist.

I'm sure it's difficult to make a perfectly realistic video game.

Arma 2

[Edited on 12.01.2010 12:32 AM PST]

  • 12.01.2010 12:31 AM PDT

Realism<Fun
Fact.

Ive actually never played any of the Halos on PC, Im on this forum because I am interested in doing so in the future.

This thread has kinda put me off a bit. Im not sure its as good as everyone says if there are all thgese problems

  • 12.01.2010 6:57 AM PDT

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