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Subject: Antimatter in the Halo Universe

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: UnyieldinWarior

Flood used the Forerunner's tech against them. That would include antimatter.


Maybe, but wouldn't the Forerunner have bombarded the planet and annihilated where the Flood were discovered before the parasite coud even get off planet if they had access to the tech?
This is making my head hurt.

  • 11.27.2010 2:13 PM PDT

Well the covenant do use antimatter but to a small scale. They havn't learned how to use antimatter at its full potential like the Forerunners could've done. The Forerunners probably figured that that kind of power given to a race that isn't ready could have a HUGE negative effect on the galaxy. By the time a race knew how to use antimatter to it's full potential, that race would be intelligent enough to have stabilization within it and use antimatter positively.

Maybe the Forerunners didn't think they were ready to use that kind of power I guess is what I'm trying to say.

  • 11.27.2010 2:15 PM PDT

Posted by: Venator82

Posted by: UnyieldinWarior

Flood used the Forerunner's tech against them. That would include antimatter.


Maybe, but wouldn't the Forerunner have bombarded the planet and annihilated where the Flood were discovered before the parasite coud even get off planet if they had access to the tech?
This is making my head hurt.


In Origins Cortana notes that the Forerunner didn't wage war on the Flood until it was too late, they just treated it as an infection. Even then, I think that the Forerunner would have had much more powerful weapons than antimatter bombs.

  • 11.27.2010 2:17 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: UnyieldinWarior
Posted by: Venator82

Posted by: UnyieldinWarior

Flood used the Forerunner's tech against them. That would include antimatter.


Maybe, but wouldn't the Forerunner have bombarded the planet and annihilated where the Flood were discovered before the parasite coud even get off planet if they had access to the tech?
This is making my head hurt.


In Origins Cortana notes that the Forerunner didn't wage war on the Flood until it was too late, they just treated it as an infection. Even then, I think that the Forerunner would have had much more powerful weapons than antimatter bombs.


I don't want to think about what could be more powerful than an antimatter bomb besides a black hole.
But even then, that entire episode can't be fully considred canon because of how rampant she was becoming and that she had never seen Forerunners or Forerunner tech that we haven't seen.

  • 11.27.2010 2:20 PM PDT

Posted by: R Rod
Maybe the Forerunners didn't think they were ready to use that kind of power I guess is what I'm trying to say.


Are you kidding me? The Forerunners knowingly wielded amazing power! They made an artificial planet in a stable slipspace bubble.

OT; I think that, once we start talking about the Forerunner, antimatter becomes obsolete.

  • 11.27.2010 2:20 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: UnyieldinWarior

OT; I think that, once we start talking about the Forerunner, antimatter becomes obsolete.


Agreed. So, why would the UNSC, which had antimatter orbiting nearly every planet they had, instead use a NOVA bomb which was more expensive, less powerful per kilo of matter used and would be larger therefore harder to get aboard a Covenant ship?

  • 11.27.2010 2:24 PM PDT

Posted by: Venator82
I don't want to think about what could be more powerful than an antimatter bomb besides a black hole.
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Antimatter isn't the ultimate when it comes to energy. Fusion is actually more practical, because of the simplicity and nonvolatile nature of its fuel. Antimatter is practical when it comes to bombs, yes, but spatial distortion-based weapons would leave antimatter in the dust.

  • 11.27.2010 2:24 PM PDT

Posted by: Venator82

Posted by: UnyieldinWarior

OT; I think that, once we start talking about the Forerunner, antimatter becomes obsolete.


Agreed. So, why would the UNSC, which had antimatter orbiting nearly every planet they had, instead use a NOVA bomb which was more expensive, less powerful per kilo of matter used and would be larger therefore harder to get aboard a Covenant ship?


Because Halo is a science fiction, and it's writers did not know about the antimatter fields around planets.

And the NOVA bomb could easily have outperformed an antimatter bomb because of the effort needed to produce/procure the antimatter needed for an equal or greater output.

imho, fusion is the way of the future, antimatter is just a fun toy

  • 11.27.2010 2:27 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: UnyieldinWarior

Because Halo is a science fiction, and it's writers did not know about the antimatter fields around planets.

And the NOVA bomb could easily have outperformed an antimatter bomb because of the effort needed to produce/procure the antimatter needed for an equal or greater output.

imho, fusion is the way of the future, antimatter is just a fun toy


Your opinion and you're entitled to it. So, I guess this topic is now dead unless someone else can come up with something good.

  • 11.27.2010 2:33 PM PDT

Even ignoring that this is sci-fi, on what grounds are you assuming that antimatter is going to be reasonably easy to harvest? When scientists DO contain it, they have to set up particles on a very careful planned-out track. You can't just wave a box with a carefully buult EM field around in an area that has naturally occuring antimatter and expect to capture it usefully.

Similar logic to yours could be used to argue that, since there's a LOT of carbon atoms around us, and since carbon interacts with the matter in our bodies, it's easy to collect diamonds by waving your arms about.



I'm not saying that humanity will never be able to efficiently produce antimatter, but it's not necessarily a given. Not ALL technologies improve THAT fast as time progresses. You might notice, for example, that the 60's-era Soyuz rocket remains to this day a popular launch vehicle for low Earth orbit.



edit: Of course, power is getting kind of silly in the Haloverse anyway, and modern physics can't really be applied. If you start doing some number crunching, nothing makes sense.

[Edited on 11.27.2010 3:12 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2010 3:10 PM PDT

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