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Posted by: spurkis
Okay noble maybe ain't the quite correct word. They are fricking beasts.
Try monsters.
Posted by: spurkis
But they have great respect for war ethics when it all comes to all, they are very honorable
They are very hypocritical, and lack integrity to their own "war ethics". They curse anyone who flees from battle, yet Snahgeili do it to fall back and regroup. Okay, fair enough, a good idea afterall. So when their opponents do the same, why are they suddenly considered cowardly? Have not the Sangheili just done that? Pot calling the kettle black.
They curse the use of devices that can conceal you, such as active camouflage, in saying that only cowards use them. In Headhunters, a Sangheili complains that the only reason the S-III won was due to the cloaking devices that they had used. Unless I was imagining it, Sangheili did not hesitate to use them in order to win, and they used them all the time.
The belief of active camouflage being cowardly roots in their belief of facing your opponent in "honourable" combat. So why is it that they squat in their hollowed out pieces of metal and bombard a planet from orbit? Whenever they are defeated on the ground, they retreat (but wait a minute, I thought that they did not believe in retreat!) and glass the planet in a temper-tantrum. Spartan Red team gave them hell at the orbital generators on Reach. The Sangheili outnumbered them ridiculously, and they still had to resort to bringing in CCS-Cruisers to glass the Spartans. Not honourable combat there is it, a Cruiser Vs a S-II?
"Honourable combat". Says the race that use ridiculously powerful weapons compared to what their enemies have. Who use shields and agility boosting armour that is comparable to Mjolnir systems. The Sangheili are wholly reliant upon technology to win. (Stolen technology btw!)
They do not believe in slaughtering civilians (It does not merit as legitimate combat), so what the hell was the Human-Covenant war all about? And I am not talking about the Glassings, I am speaking of the act of them going into peoples homes and slaughtering the families within, like described in the Return. To paraphrase the Return "after 2 days of Human slaughter in their homes..."
They have no war ethnics, and no integrity, which means they have no honour. Honour is not the act of being a strong warrior. Anyone can kill a person, which is what it seems most people here think. By that logic, Jack the Ripper would be an honourable individual! You must (generally) display Integrity, fairness, nobility, trustworthiness and courage(although not always for courage).
Posted by: spurkis
they are intelligent, strong, basically superior to us in every way.
Bestiarum disagrees with all of this except the stregnth aspect. Leaving even that aside, here is a race that everyone claims to be perceptive, and yet they could not see that Humans were in fact Forerunner artefacts themselves when the Luminaries showed them as such every time a colony was discovered.
Posted by: spurkis
and of course aiding the humans, both by cleaning up the flood infestation in Voi and their assistance in capturing The Citadel on The Ark.
That was not out of kindness, enlightened judgement or atonement, merely an egoistic measure. 60% of their military and Fleets had been wiped out by a NOVA bomb at Joyous Exaltation. That forced them to find new allies in order to save their own skins. Had they not lost their fleets and armies, then they would have most likely wiped out Humanity as well, or would have certainly tried to do so. I would imagine them probably not hesitating to exhaust Humanity before taking any chances themselves in a war, seeing as what they do to other races in the Covenant.
Posted by: spurkis
The Arbiter (Thel Vadam) was definitely noble. He tried to convince a swarm of Drones to stop fighting for the Prophets, instead of killing them right away. He also paid his respects in the memorial at the end of Halo 3.
Would Thel have bothered to convince Rtas not to waste the Earth had most of his peoples military not been wiped out? It makes his motives dubious.
The Sangheili just seem like a bunch pseudo-intellectual, pseudo-honourable murderers. Just because they call themselves honourable does not mean that they are. It begs the question.
They considered us to be abominations, anything they could have done that we did was comnsidered to be a travesty and dirty act, as we were not considered worthy to hold such luxeries as technology, even names.
It wasn't hypocritical, not in the normal sense. They have double standards for different races, but amongst themselves they are a highly noble people.
That and the only time they retreat is when they are to die for no reason (glassing, which is to clense the infection; they consider us no better then the Flood)) or when they have direct orders from the Prophets to not risk religious artifacts.
As for their intellect, they were blinded by faith due to the Prophets. It happrens even to us, where people believe something so harshly, they will blindly follow their faiths and priests, regardless of the little sense it makes.
They are even smarter cause they eventually saw through the lies.
And they never believed in civilian slaughter, never, even at the war's start. Just like faith, they blindly followed the Prophets orders, to kill all of us, even if they didn't agree with it. They were not allowed to speak of the Prophets wrongly.
Cut em some slack man.
[Edited on 11.28.2010 10:40 AM PST]