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Subject: H3 to Reach comparison (sorta)
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I play games for gameplay, not silly gimmicks

H3 MM warrior

Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

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Alright here we go:

Weapons- Reach definatly has more weapons in its sandbox if you include vehicles (which I do) but does that make them better? IMO the weapons in Reach all feel unnecessary, with exception to rockets/sniper. Never before have you been able to have such complete control with one weapon. Even as versatile as the BR was in H3 it was easily countered close and far ranges. In Reach it seems that nothing is a counter to anything because the power weapons, which now have drop times, can be so easily controled. Also without power weapons it seems as if the kill times for everything else is rediculous, especially with the addition of bloom, which in my eyes has no place in a fast paced FPS.

Maps- One of the biggest differences in Reach as its predecessors is the map balancing. The maps in this game are far far worse than in previous installments. Look at reflection, paradiso, cage, pinnacle. What happened bungie, the past few games had amazing symmetrical maps which encouraged fair and fun play. In this game you can actually determine who will win based on what team you are with almost 100% accuarcy.

Campaign- Though I have not finished it, I will say that it is more entertaining so far. I am not usually one for the storys for a FPS so this is much harder for me to accuratly judge.

Sound- I put this in for the sake of completition for the comparison. Honestly music isnt a make or break in halo games but I will say I enjoyed what I heard in H3 more so than the other games.

Gameplay- This may take awhile. To begin lets go with how AAs/bloom make thier debut. As I have mentioned earlier I dont believe that bloom should be in a fast paced FPS. It slows down the game and rewards spamming, as well as lowers the skill gap a considerable amount. It also adds an unnecessary layer of randomness which again should not exist in a FPS. AAs also add another layer of randomness which should not exist. Again they add to the already slow kill times and make the game slower than it should be. The game seems to flow slowly and teamwork is nowhere near as encouraged due to a flawed system which will be disscused in the next segment. The physics are also off as compared to H3. Grenades are now power weapons capable of killing someone so easily that you may as well put down your gun. The fluidity of the maps further conribute to slow games, and imo slow down the game even more so than bloom+AA combined. Overall the gameplay in Reach is far slower and more sluggish.

Ranking system- Wether you are a new player or seasoned veteran you cannot say that the current ranking system is good. Note that I am not refering to the cR or xp system but the divisional system. You litteraly have to compete against your own team to achieve a higher division, which is fine for a LW playlist but if you play as a team you should be ranked as such. If you go in alone then it makes sense to be individually ranked, but if you search as a team then that should be taken into account. Also the reset system makes the game far more repetitive, I know that this is how bungie planned to stop second accounts, but by doing that you are making the game suffer. If people are going to make second accounts let them, trying to stop them is like banning alchole, it wont stop them just piss em off. Besides getting onyx or gold every season is boring, and unfair to lesser players. Basically instead of stopping second accounts you just give everyone a new account every month. The player who were complaining about second accounts are still going to get thrashed by the same players every month.

Xp system- I like how they did it this time around, though I think 20,000,000 cR is a bit much. At anyrate either system works fine for me, in this case I would call it a draw.

Overall enjoyment- I think that Reach has potential to be great, but it is marred by so many stupid and otherwise unnecessary flaws. H3 was by no means perfect but to me it is far more playable and enjoyable. It seems that Bungie tried to cater to a more social experiance, which I have no problem with, but they should have made something that us more hardcore fans could play with a viable satisfaction.

H3 or Reach- Believe it or not I want to say Reach is better but I cant. I want to be able to move on to future games but Reach just doesnt feel like a step forward. As of now H3>Reach, this can change but there is alot that would have to change to allow for this.

Ending note- I know I didnt do a whole lot of H3 explaining like I did for Reach, but its been out for 3 years and im sure you all know how it works. If you want I will go back and edit this later to include more, but for now you should know how I feel about Reach

  • 11.28.2010 2:04 AM PDT

Pronounced "Nay-uss"

I wouldn't post this in the Reach forum if I were you, unless you want everyone to yell ADAPT and be an idiot.


Great post, though

  • 11.28.2010 5:28 AM PDT

random

  • 11.28.2010 11:06 AM PDT
  • gamertag: Meagss
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H3 MM warrior

Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

H4 MM legend

umad?

  • 11.28.2010 11:16 AM PDT

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My Sigz? - GT: A Crafty Koala
TD 50 - TS 50 - TSW 50 - LW 42 - TSN 42 - MLG 29

Great post but you forgot several things.
1. No Dual Wielding = WTF??
2. NO SPIKERS????
3. Plasma Pistols are now ridiculously easy to kill with - you can no longer feel proud getting a ranked plasma pistol kill. (ranked joint 18th in the world 4 ranked plasma pistol kills :D)
4. No longer able to nade jump well.
5. DINOS ALWAYS SUCK vs Spartans (whereas in H3 they were spongy Mofos)
6. Red Spawn = 90% win


Other random stuff cant really remember - but all in all I agree with ur post :)

  • 11.28.2010 11:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: meagsIZbeast
umad?


Who wouldn't be? No spikers? And i forgot - no flamethrower, no missile pod... FML Bungie u FAIL

  • 11.28.2010 11:26 AM PDT

I changed usernames to match my gamertag. My original account, wambo114, was created when I got xbox live. I'm a 2007 kid really!

wambo114: Member Since: 11.09.2007

youtube.com/user/wambo114

at least the campaign is better (and maybe forge). but apart from that...

  • 11.28.2010 11:48 AM PDT

Halo is dead. Linked tag is permanently banned from XBL

H3 > Reach

That's all you had to say. I want to move on, but how could I move on from a game that is Halo to a game that drifted so far off Halo (Shadowrun + CoD crap added along with highly unbalanced maps and a failure of a ranking system)

  • 11.28.2010 4:20 PM PDT

I dont believe that bloom should be in a fast paced FPS. It slows down the game and rewards spamming, as well as lowers the skill gap a considerable amount How in the hell does bloom REWARD spamming? I think bloom punishes spammers, if anything. Lowers skill gap? How so? Maybe I'm just ignorant, but, IMO, bloom raises it. You need to learn how to pace your shots just right for each weapon in order for bloom to not affect you.
I think Reach is a great game, but CE is the best, IMO.

  • 11.28.2010 7:27 PM PDT
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H3 MM warrior

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H4 MM legend


Posted by: Nolem8520
I dont believe that bloom should be in a fast paced FPS. It slows down the game and rewards spamming, as well as lowers the skill gap a considerable amount How in the hell does bloom REWARD spamming? I think bloom punishes spammers, if anything. Lowers skill gap? How so? Maybe I'm just ignorant, but, IMO, bloom raises it. You need to learn how to pace your shots just right for each weapon in order for bloom to not affect you.
I think Reach is a great game, but CE is the best, IMO.


They way that bloom is implemented it has a low rate of error for spamming. It is more likly that the extra shots you get from close to mid range will land on the chest/head region than not. This allows you to do a slightly more amount of damage and ultimatly can grant faster kill times. The problem is that its only about 50% effective. That means that really there is no way to increase kill times with any amount of efficeincy. In this way it lowers the skill gap, because for those who do time shots it only works about half the time while lesser skilled players can kill them the other 50% by spamming the trigger. It wont make scores alot higher but if in H3 you beat a team 50-20 then in Reach it is likely that you will only win 50-25 or 50-30. Regardless of how much or little of a difference it makes in a game it still negativly influences the game and caters torward the more casual side of the argument

  • 11.28.2010 7:42 PM PDT
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I agree good post

  • 11.28.2010 8:24 PM PDT


Posted by: meagsIZbeast

Posted by: Nolem8520
I dont believe that bloom should be in a fast paced FPS. It slows down the game and rewards spamming, as well as lowers the skill gap a considerable amount How in the hell does bloom REWARD spamming? I think bloom punishes spammers, if anything. Lowers skill gap? How so? Maybe I'm just ignorant, but, IMO, bloom raises it. You need to learn how to pace your shots just right for each weapon in order for bloom to not affect you.
I think Reach is a great game, but CE is the best, IMO.


They way that bloom is implemented it has a low rate of error for spamming. It is more likly that the extra shots you get from close to mid range will land on the chest/head region than not. This allows you to do a slightly more amount of damage and ultimatly can grant faster kill times. The problem is that its only about 50% effective. That means that really there is no way to increase kill times with any amount of efficeincy. In this way it lowers the skill gap, because for those who do time shots it only works about half the time while lesser skilled players can kill them the other 50% by spamming the trigger. It wont make scores alot higher but if in H3 you beat a team 50-20 then in Reach it is likely that you will only win 50-25 or 50-30. Regardless of how much or little of a difference it makes in a game it still negativly influences the game and caters torward the more casual side of the argument
meags i want to see if you can beat one of my friends 1v1 ^_^

  • 11.28.2010 8:33 PM PDT
  • gamertag: Meagss
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I play games for gameplay, not silly gimmicks

H3 MM warrior

Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

H4 MM legend

umm ok, I havent played in a while, tell you what message me on God Of Flames, its my bros tag, my xbox is down stairs and I cant get to it atm

  • 11.28.2010 8:36 PM PDT

tomorrow dude

  • 11.28.2010 8:38 PM PDT
  • gamertag: Meagss
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I play games for gameplay, not silly gimmicks

H3 MM warrior

Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

H4 MM legend

O well then nevermind, I will be on tomorow probably, idk H3 is starting to get boring

  • 11.28.2010 8:39 PM PDT

"I'll tell you right now, if you ever see someone called ll wa1do ll... leave the game immediately. My friend knows him, I've been in his party a few times, do not mess with this guy. From what I've heard, he's the real deal. I also heard someone made a guy named Wa2do (similar to his name) and then he hacked that guy and boosted off his level." -From Minou on Bungie.net

H3 is gone get over it, no one wants to play a crap game.

  • 11.28.2010 9:04 PM PDT
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I play games for gameplay, not silly gimmicks

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Posted by: l bAlleRliCoius
H3 is gone get over it, no one wants to play a crap game.


Read, and btw I dont play either very much

  • 11.28.2010 9:05 PM PDT

"I'll tell you right now, if you ever see someone called ll wa1do ll... leave the game immediately. My friend knows him, I've been in his party a few times, do not mess with this guy. From what I've heard, he's the real deal. I also heard someone made a guy named Wa2do (similar to his name) and then he hacked that guy and boosted off his level." -From Minou on Bungie.net

Posted by: meagsIZbeast

Posted by: l bAlleRliCoius
H3 is gone get over it, no one wants to play a crap game.


Read, and btw I dont play either very much

TL;DR

Just trolling.

  • 11.28.2010 9:09 PM PDT
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I play games for gameplay, not silly gimmicks

H3 MM warrior

Reach S7, 8 and 9 arena warrior.

H4 MM legend


Posted by: l bAlleRliCoius
Posted by: meagsIZbeast

Posted by: l bAlleRliCoius
H3 is gone get over it, no one wants to play a crap game.


Read, and btw I dont play either very much

TL;DR

Just trolling.


I know

  • 11.28.2010 9:19 PM PDT

657 MLG 50s.

One of the biggest issues I have is the extreme unbalance in maps. For instance Pinnacle: If you have blue spawn it's an instant win, you already have Rockets, Snipe, and Shotgun. Reflection: If you have red spawn the Rockets are like right there for you. I tried playing it a couple days ago with friends and other then Firefight it's horrid.

  • 11.28.2010 9:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Guillotineee
One of the biggest issues I have is the extreme unbalance in maps. For instance Pinnacle: If you have blue spawn it's an instant win, you already have Rockets, Snipe, and Shotgun. Reflection: If you have red spawn the Rockets are like right there for you. I tried playing it a couple days ago with friends and other then Firefight it's horrid.



Yeah.

There are a lot of issues with Reach and balance is one of them.

  • 11.29.2010 7:10 AM PDT
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Think about a bit where you're posting this comparison.

I for one thought Halo 3 was a garbage Halo game, and I did play that since launch.

  • 11.29.2010 8:27 AM PDT

Only those who bask in the glory of The Emperor shall progress onward.

Good post. It's too bad that most Reach players are too close-minded to read it.

  • 11.29.2010 8:38 AM PDT

Happy Hanukkah

to be honest i think you are right, but i think the reach campaign lacks the variaton of the halo 3 campaign.

only one mission were i get to use the scorpion ,for 2 minutes!

  • 11.29.2010 1:12 PM PDT

Overall enjoyment- I think that Reach has potential to be great, but it is marred by so many stupid and otherwise unnecessary flaws. H3 was by no means perfect but to me it is far more playable and enjoyable. It seems that Bungie tried to cater to a more social experiance, which I have no problem with, but they should have made something that us more hardcore fans could play with a viable satisfaction.

QFT!!!

I agree with you 100%

I feel the exact same way. To confirm this, I'm going to go back to H3 and really see which game I enjoy more. That means I'm going to play/create custom games for both and see how the options compare, play BTB, and play social.

PS. I love driving but I don't like how vehicles can be killed so easily and how there are tanks in normal BTB as well as WAY TOO MANY VEHICLES. With that and my teammates puzzling sense of logic, getting on a warthog isn't fun anymore in Reach.

[Edited on 11.29.2010 3:09 PM PST]

  • 11.29.2010 3:07 PM PDT

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