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Subject: Slight incongruence between Halo canon and theory of evolution

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As I understand it, the reason the human race survived the firing of the halos was because they were on the ark, out of the "blast radius", so to speak. They were then transported back to earth by the portal (which explains the "come out of africa" theory). Several years later, in the 21st century, we have come to believe that we descended from a long line of mammals, which descended from other creatures, and so on. But how could we live amongst some of these "pre humans" such as primates, if they were all killed by the halos?

  • 11.30.2010 11:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: iwillg4
As I understand it, the reason the human race survived the firing of the halos was because they were on the ark, out of the "blast radius", so to speak. They were then transported back to earth by the portal (which explains the "come out of africa" theory). Several years later, in the 21st century, we have come to believe that we descended from a long line of mammals, which descended from other creatures, and so on. But how could we live amongst some of these "pre humans" such as primates, if they were all killed by the halos?


I believe samples of all life were collected by The Librarian and stored on the Ark for protection; even the other primates of the time period.

  • 11.30.2010 11:13 PM PDT

Lol evolution.

  • 12.01.2010 1:13 AM PDT

The Forerunners stored everything, not just humans. When life was reseeded, they basically put everything right back where it was before they took it.

  • 12.01.2010 1:15 AM PDT

The Halos only kill sentient life, maybe the primates weren't sentient. Probably wrong, I suck at biology.

  • 12.01.2010 3:21 AM PDT

Its like Noah's ark as well (same name too, lol)

Librayan took samples of all life with the biomass to sustain the Flood, EG: everything and took them to the Ark, Noah style.

  • 12.01.2010 5:26 AM PDT


Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
The Halos only kill sentient life, maybe the primates weren't sentient. Probably wrong, I suck at biology.

QFT

While many religions and belief systems ascribe sentience to nonhuman life, the majority of the belief systems in English-speaking countries (clearly the target audience) do not. As a result, the use of the term sentience in the cannon as it describes the action of the Halo ring firing would exclude all life on Earth (except, of course, humans).

So in a less wordy way, the reason these "pre-humans" are around is that they were unaffected by the firing of the Halo rings, and evolution can still hold true in the Halo Universe. Hooray.

  • 12.01.2010 6:10 AM PDT
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The Forerunner collected samples of every species prior to setting off the Halo array. After everything died the Forerunner (or sentinels) started to reseed the galaxy with life. We then evolved from whatever species Earth was reseeded with.

  • 12.01.2010 6:52 AM PDT

Hundred thousand years is a very short time (although too long for YEC). -blam!- sapiens had already appeared at that point, while older homos had gone extinct long ago. Our closest relatives at that point were monkeys, clearly unsentient beings.

  • 12.01.2010 7:29 AM PDT
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1. Forrrunners took massice catalogues off many lifeforms from each planet.

2. Halo has been stated by guilty-spark as only wiping out lifeforms of sufficent biomass and sentience to support the flood.

Thus, life that was not wiped clean from earth was re-seeded.

  • 12.01.2010 8:46 AM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: dr spartan32
Primates are sentient... as is every mammal on Earth, okay. All animals are sentient.


Just not on our level, except dolphins possibly. They lack a creative point, to create a world they have never seen before (however they do recreate worlds as seen by their dreams), but otherwise they are saptient as we are.
So the Forerunners had to have taken everything.

I assume the pulse fired by the rings destroy the neurons in a biological organsim, so the only things that wouldn't have been taken would be trees, bacteria, viruses, fungi and jellyfish.

  • 12.01.2010 8:48 AM PDT

watch halo legends

  • 12.01.2010 10:03 AM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

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Posted by: Buzz the Fuzz
The Halos only kill sentient life, maybe the primates weren't sentient. Probably wrong, I suck at biology.

QFT

While many religions and belief systems ascribe sentience to nonhuman life, the majority of the belief systems in English-speaking countries (clearly the target audience) do not. As a result, the use of the term sentience in the cannon as it describes the action of the Halo ring firing would exclude all life on Earth (except, of course, humans).

So in a less wordy way, the reason these "pre-humans" are around is that they were unaffected by the firing of the Halo rings, and evolution can still hold true in the Halo Universe. Hooray.
Mmmm...not entirely. Sentience is defined in a variety of different ways (I like the definition that, in order to be sentient, you have to be aware of your own existence) but is ultimately irrelevant here. The Halo effect effected everything with neurons; with the reasoning that any sentient being (that the Flood could subsist on) would have neurons (and thus a brain) which would be destroyed by the rings. Needless to say, most life on Earth and the galaxy (which wasn't protected) was destroyed.

In regards to the overall topic of this thread, evolution could still have occurred prior to the rings being fired and would have resulted in humanity. The humanity that was present when the rings were fired wasn't "pre-humanity" it was humanity in it's present form. Although we have yet to find out if the Forerunner altered us in any way while we were in their care...

  • 12.01.2010 11:07 AM PDT

stoopidmunke

this seems kinda like scientologys back asswards explanation for the existence of life, the samples of each species that is. All that's missing are the gold airplanes.

  • 12.01.2010 11:11 AM PDT

The Forerunner, the Great Journey, and Heaven Theory

[Announcement Trailer] Halo: Forerunner

Posted by: Agustus
I lol'd at the absurd miscommunication that occurs whenever dibbs post something. Perhaps his brain is so highly evolved that he can no longer clearly communicate with lesser life forms, even among his own species.

Posted by: mattnail47
this seems kinda like scientologys back asswards explanation for the existence of life, the samples of each species that is. All that's missing are the gold airplanes.
This has nothing to do with why/how the life exists. The Forerunner found us (already existing) and decided we were worth saving as opposed to letting us all die.

  • 12.01.2010 11:13 AM PDT