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Subject: Who would win in a planetary engagement?

I enjoy halo for it's story and when I am in the mood, its gameplay. Reach was significantly worse then I expected but was still a great game (minus the european hitscan fiasco). I am sitting on a two mile wide fence on the subject of halo 4. Most of the things I like a technical aspects though and not story or game play. Plus I am slightly mad they took my elites from MP.

@scoopicus ive only got some of the horous heresy books, one of the grey knights trillogy by ben stiller and read all but the first soul drinker book and thanks for the lexicanum link, needed to fav on my new laptop (this one.
My favourite forces are:
the space marines
the imperuim (counts as differet by codex)
the demon hunters
the Tau
the eldar

[Edited on 12.02.2010 6:09 PM PST]

  • 12.02.2010 6:07 PM PDT


Posted by: wildnuke

Posted by: Scoopicus

Posted by: wildnuke

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Posted by: wildnuke
linky?

Sure.


Do you know about 300? They eventualy fell because of the numbers

Relavency?


You have 40,000 Space Marines versus an out numbering onslaught

40,000 is the year the game takes place in.

  • 12.02.2010 6:10 PM PDT

Never say you're bored. Never say you're satisfied with the world. Never stop doubting or questioning things. Always wonder. Always think. But always take time to drop your guard, you don't have to be smart all the time.

*feels stupid* Drednought....

  • 12.02.2010 6:14 PM PDT

HOW IS?

  • 12.02.2010 6:15 PM PDT


Posted by: trojanlord95
@scoopicus ive only got some of the horous heresy books, one of the grey knights trillogy by ben stiller and read all but the first soul drinker book and thanks for the lexicanum link, needed to fav on my new laptop (this one.
My favourite forces are:
the space marines
the imperuim (counts as differet by codex)
the demon hunters
the Tau
the eldar

Those are some good ones. I haven't read those books yet though, as I haven't read many.

  • 12.02.2010 6:18 PM PDT

I enjoy halo for it's story and when I am in the mood, its gameplay. Reach was significantly worse then I expected but was still a great game (minus the european hitscan fiasco). I am sitting on a two mile wide fence on the subject of halo 4. Most of the things I like a technical aspects though and not story or game play. Plus I am slightly mad they took my elites from MP.

@scoopicus trust me the first three horous heresy books are AUSOME! you will be ammazed at the tech the orig space marines had and the skill and pure bad assary of there enemies, not trying to spoil anything for you but here are the main enemies in the first two books:
the false Imperium
the brotherhood of spiderland (similar to sipder/ant/tyranids)
the interex
the aurelian technocracy or brotherhood technocracy (I forget, both are referenced though

  • 12.02.2010 6:26 PM PDT

Warhammer 40,000Go away troll.

  • 12.02.2010 6:40 PM PDT


Posted by: Mutoid Log
Warhammer 40,000Go away troll.

No.

  • 12.02.2010 6:48 PM PDT


Posted by: trojanlord95
@scoopicus ive only got some of the horous heresy books, one of the grey knights trillogy by ben stiller and read all but the first soul drinker book and thanks for the lexicanum link, needed to fav on my new laptop (this one.
My favourite forces are:
the space marines
the imperuim (counts as differet by codex)
the demon hunters
the Tau
the eldar

Those are some good ones. And I'll definitely check out the Grey Kights trilogy.

  • 12.03.2010 9:52 AM PDT


Posted by: A JAR OF PICKLE
China called...

...they want their wall back

  • 12.03.2010 10:19 AM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.

Don't know really.

Personally, what I've seen of 40k, the Marines are macho and that's why they don't back down, not because they have any legitimate reason. But that's me.

A thing I'd like to point out is that when you say a Space Marine can go through more than a Sangheili is just wrong.
A Space Marine is still human, and humans have flight as an option still hardwired into their genetics, whereas a Sangheili has never had it properly instilled; only those who are logical retreat, not becuase they are evolved to do it but because they think about it, whereas a human is evolved to do it as a preservation instinct.
So saying a still human Marine is braver than a species that evovled specifically for war and honour is just plain wishful thinking.

That's another thing; comparing things from 2552, where the Covenant has had only about five thousand years and humanity 500 years to advance to something where humanity is in the year 40,000. It's not fair really. Try comparing 40k to Known Space or Dune or Mass Effect. Halo just ain't fair becuase it's not some laser, super FTL, mega power suit fest like other sci-fis. Unless it's Forerunner or Flood. Which then it is fair and is laser fest.

That's all I have to say on the topic as I haven't really paid much attention to 40k lately; I find the tech really sucks major for something that's supposed to be 38,000 years from now with the rate humanity seems to advance.

  • 12.03.2010 11:00 AM PDT
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Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Remember, Elites are masters of stealth as well (and Hunter's shield are virtually battleship grade plating, nearly unbreakable. In a video I saw, the Space Marine was still using bullets.)

I don't know to much about Warhammer, so I'm just making sure.


Their bullets though are mini missiles. They also have power weapons and melt guns. Also orbiting ships but I think the Covies would own in space.

  • 12.03.2010 11:11 AM PDT

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A god who creates tools is still a god. It is not for us to impose qualifications upon the divine or presume to guess its intentions.

This is a Bungie forum...

  • 12.03.2010 11:16 AM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: matman25402
This is a Bungie forum...


And we are discussing the Bungie Universe and how it compares to other peoples universes. I don't think it's against the rules as I had read them. Unless they've changed in the last month.

  • 12.03.2010 11:57 AM PDT


Posted by: Venator82
Don't know really.

Personally, what I've seen of 40k, the Marines are macho and that's why they don't back down, not because they have any legitimate reason. But that's me.

A thing I'd like to point out is that when you say a Space Marine can go through more than a Sangheili is just wrong.
A Space Marine is still human, and humans have flight as an option still hardwired into their genetics, whereas a Sangheili has never had it properly instilled; only those who are logical retreat, not becuase they are evolved to do it but because they think about it, whereas a human is evolved to do it as a preservation instinct.
So saying a still human Marine is braver than a species that evovled specifically for war and honour is just plain wishful thinking.

That's another thing; comparing things from 2552, where the Covenant has had only about five thousand years and humanity 500 years to advance to something where humanity is in the year 40,000. It's not fair really. Try comparing 40k to Known Space or Dune or Mass Effect. Halo just ain't fair becuase it's not some laser, super FTL, mega power suit fest like other sci-fis. Unless it's Forerunner or Flood. Which then it is fair and is laser fest.

That's all I have to say on the topic as I haven't really paid much attention to 40k lately; I find the tech really sucks major for something that's supposed to be 38,000 years from now with the rate humanity seems to advance.

Space Marines are bred for war. They've been programmed to never back down from any situation. Even a Gaurdsman would have a harder physique than an Elite. Gaurdsmen can face down demons without a seond thought, an Elite is scared by the Flood. A Marine or Gaurdsmen could handle the Flood no problem. They charge straight into that. But yeah, the tech is pretty dissapointing for the year 40,999.

  • 12.03.2010 12:36 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: Scoopicus

Space Marines are bred for war. They've been programmed to never back down from any situation. Even a Gaurdsman would have a harder physique than an Elite. Gaurdsmen can face down demons without a seond thought, an Elite is scared by the Flood. A Marine or Gaurdsmen could handle the Flood no problem. They charge straight into that. But yeah, the tech is pretty dissapointing for the year 40,999.


Ever think Elites back down because they would just give the enemy another soldier by running head on?
I'd call that logic, not cowardice, and there is nothing like the Flood in 40k, so we don't know how a Sppace Marine would react. Also, what G are the Space Marines bred for?

  • 12.03.2010 1:06 PM PDT

I'm not sure what you're looking for.

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Spess mareens.

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  • 12.03.2010 1:11 PM PDT


Posted by: Venator82
Don't know really.

Personally, what I've seen of 40k, the Marines are macho and that's why they don't back down, not because they have any legitimate reason. But that's me.

A thing I'd like to point out is that when you say a Space Marine can go through more than a Sangheili is just wrong.
A Space Marine is still human, and humans have flight as an option still hardwired into their genetics, whereas a Sangheili has never had it properly instilled; only those who are logical retreat, not becuase they are evolved to do it but because they think about it, whereas a human is evolved to do it as a preservation instinct.
So saying a still human Marine is braver than a species that evovled specifically for war and honour is just plain wishful thinking.

That's another thing; comparing things from 2552, where the Covenant has had only about five thousand years and humanity 500 years to advance to something where humanity is in the year 40,000. It's not fair really. Try comparing 40k to Known Space or Dune or Mass Effect. Halo just ain't fair becuase it's not some laser, super FTL, mega power suit fest like other sci-fis. Unless it's Forerunner or Flood. Which then it is fair and is laser fest.

That's all I have to say on the topic as I haven't really paid much attention to 40k lately; I find the tech really sucks major for something that's supposed to be 38,000 years from now with the rate humanity seems to advance.


and yet Mass Effect is? ME's weapons suck, not even a real military.

  • 12.03.2010 3:31 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

and yet Mass Effect is? ME's weapons suck, not even a real military.


Yes it is. And if you don't want to look at that, compare the other two examples I gave. But then again, I bet you've never seen/read any Dune content or heard of Known Space.

  • 12.03.2010 6:21 PM PDT


Posted by: Venator82

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

and yet Mass Effect is? ME's weapons suck, not even a real military.


Yes it is. And if you don't want to look at that, compare the other two examples I gave. But then again, I bet you've never seen/read any Dune content or heard of Known Space.


Ringworld is a story about the discovery of the Ringworld by explorers Lousi Wu (200 years old) another Human (his lover, cant remember name) a Puppateer named Nessus (two headed, cowardly alien, save for Nessus, who is considered insane due to his daring) and a Kzin (sort of a cat-like brute)

It was written by Larry Niven. General Products hulls can be destroyed only by anti-matter bombs on account of them being a single grown-out molecule, but high impact forces could still kill the occupants. The Ring is one AU in size built by a race initially supposed to have no knowledge of FTL, so incapable of expanding beyond their solar system, so used the solar system to build the massive Ringworld

Fleet of Worlds is literally a fleet of planets to escape a galaxy sterilizing supernova. They are controlled by the Puppateers.

Don't make assumptions about things you are uncertain of, I DO know what known space is. Dune, however, I do not know about.

Now: Mass Effect's weapons are inferior in everyway to even the UNSC's. The ships can take punishment only in the 30's kiloton range in ME. The UNSC Frigate's main gun fires at a range of 60-70 kilotons per shot, wheras the SMAC fires at 56 gigatons per shot.

Nukes are outlawed in ME. They are used extensively in Halo, ranging from nuclear grenades a little larger then the Fat Man, to planet crushing mega weapons ranging in the petatons (NOVA)

UNSC was capable of launching nukes through slipspace, just didn't work well on ground targets.

The Covenant surpasses the UNSC in every way save for their super weapons, and yet you say the Mass Effect universe is superior? Especially when the Mass Effect universe has no energy shields to defend against energy weapons? Only kinetic barriers?

C'mon...

  • 12.03.2010 6:43 PM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.

Wow. I actually apolagize for that assumption about Known Space. Shouldn't assume. Yeah, true ME sucks except Eezo is pretty intense if used properly.

Dune is a classic by Frank Herbert. It is also just about as intense when compared to Halo as a Wolverine to an amoeba; giant worms the size of mountians that generate elctricity, thousand year old humans who have injested a chemiacl called The Dust (which is actually the dead worms remains) making them look like giant, parrot headed pickles who can just by thinking move entire spaceships as big as the Covy Supercarrier across Galactic Clusters in an instant, and people carry about Sartan Laser poweful weapons as sidearms and hold millions of worlds thorughout hundreds of Galaxies, yet there are no aliens besides the friggin monstrous physics bending worms.

Yeah, 40k has nothing when compared to the classics, so you can't compare it to them either.

I should stop here or else I'll get a notice for going off-topic when this thread's existence has been noticed for going off-topic in the forum itself.

  • 12.03.2010 7:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Venator82
I should stop here or else I'll get a notice for going off-topic when this thread's existence has been noticed for going off-topic in the forum itself.


lo, apology accepted

  • 12.03.2010 7:39 PM PDT

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