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Subject: Insurrectionists, The Covenant, and other groups after the War

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  • 12.04.2010 4:52 PM PDT

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These are really interesting questions...

For the Insurrectionists, I would imagine that they would still be a problem in small pockets - after all, most of them would have been wiped out from the Outer Colonies, but there would be enough centralised sympathisers to blame the UNSC for the whole war... There would also be the power tussles as humanity rebuilt itself...

Elites & Humans... hmmm... I cant see that this would be happy families; the cultural, social and experiential differences would be too great for all but a tense and probably grudging respect. I can see that they would probably find a planet of their own and take stock of what had happened, possibly deepening their own intellectual hunt for the forerunners?

Future of the human race, probably very slow and painful rebuilding of the colonies, but I'd suggest that it would be slower, and more strategic than the first time - one bitten twice shy and all that.

How's that for starters?

V :)


[Edited on 12.04.2010 5:05 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 5:04 PM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

if their something the other Sci-Fi's prove is that humann culture can destroy any culture transforming entire races into emo's/racists/bad singers and other human crap

  • 12.04.2010 5:43 PM PDT

While rebuilding, I think humanity would be writing down every single little fact about the war they just where a part of. Collecting every bit of information, it be the glassing of a certain colony or the story of John-117. The biggest thing to ever happen to humanity; first contact with aliens, discovery of their relationship to the Forerunners and The Flood threat, the fact that the human population was reduced to a preposterously tiny number, and much more. I can imagine WWII still being a major part of the history books in the 2500's, not to mention whatever wars human had between now and then, so think about the War with the Covenant in year 3000!
I also think they would continue researching the Forerunner technology, and most likely reverse engineering all of it. Not to mention examining whatever Covenant tech ONI haven't already come over.

The Elites went back to Sanghelios and fought the Brutes, and eventually won, though at great costs. With no purpose or clarity about their position in the galactic society, they'd probably slowly start evolving and recovering their culture and society, maybe establishing a new religion or something.



[Edited on 12.04.2010 7:53 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 7:50 PM PDT

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karen Travis is writing a book trilogy set after H3. Until then its a mystery. We do know that the elites eventually beat the remaining brutes, and are now having difficulty finding a purpose without the prophets to guide them. inspite of the great journy being a lie, the elites still worship the forerunners but dont know how to interpret their will without the prophets. at least one of them is currently searching for a new oracle to guide them

[Edited on 12.04.2010 8:17 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 8:13 PM PDT

Covenant is completely gone, no way in hell the Loyalists (Prophets, Brutes, etc.) could make a come back, the Prophets were pretty much what held the Brutes together, the different clans would struggle for power due to the power vacuum, if there were many Brutes left anyway, and wipe each other out.

Arbiter wiped all the Heretics out, and I guess you could say the Elites kinda became the Heretics, if there are any left they'd probably go back to their Sangheili brothers and sisters.

I think the Insurrectionists would probably still be around, and probably strike soon, if they have sufficient resources anyway, while the UNSC is getting back up from being knocked off its feet.

UNSC would probably buff up their military big time and incorporate a bunch of reverse engineered and improved tech from the Covies and Forerunners.

As the Gravemind says, he isn't gone, he'll back, but who knows how long it will take. The Flood never were truly animal-like, they were intelligent to a degree without the Gravemind, but I think most of them were wiped out either around Delta Halo or at the Ark when High Charity and Alpha Halo 2 were destroyed.

From the way Halo 3 played out, I think the Elites and Humans would make some sort of pact with each other, though of course there would probably be firebrands on both sides clamoring to have nothing to do with each other. But seeing as Arbiter has in a way become the defacto head of the Elites I think he would try and make some sort of pact with humanity, if nothing a else a treaty of mutual aid or something. I am convinced Humanity and the Elites would form a treaty of some sort.

  • 12.04.2010 8:23 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

I like to think that at some point the Elites got sick of the UNSC whining about the Insurrection and dealt with them themselves.

  • 12.04.2010 8:24 PM PDT


Posted by: V 4 Volcanicity
These are really interesting questions...

For the Insurrectionists, I would imagine that they would still be a problem in small pockets - after all, most of them would have been wiped out from the Outer Colonies, but there would be enough centralised sympathisers to blame the UNSC for the whole war... There would also be the power tussles as humanity rebuilt itself...

Elites & Humans... hmmm... I cant see that this would be happy families; the cultural, social and experiential differences would be too great for all but a tense and probably grudging respect. I can see that they would probably find a planet of their own and take stock of what had happened, possibly deepening their own intellectual hunt for the forerunners?

Future of the human race, probably very slow and painful rebuilding of the colonies, but I'd suggest that it would be slower, and more strategic than the first time - one bitten twice shy and all that.

How's that for starters?

V :)


remember, Elites always respected us in an odd way, realizing we were actually good warriors (just not the best). The Great Schism just sealed the deal on that respect, and it is stated in Evolutions that we and the Elites have an agreement, I guess like a treaty of peace.

So the relationship might be a little better then some would think.

also the Insurrectionists were destroyed in First Strike, remember? Whitcomb (unwillingly) left them to die by the Covenant's hands.

[Edited on 12.04.2010 9:22 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2010 9:20 PM PDT

I'm sure that with every outer colony glassed by the covenant there were two that weren't. The colonies could have the means of being cut off from the UNSC for decades on end building their own way to power. If the Innies found it important enough to raid or commence full on war aginst the UNSC (Imagine the bounty of riches the inner colonies hold!) And pose a significant threat.

I can also imagine religious wars and struggles between the elites. No idea how the lekgolo, grunts, and jackals would be up to. The brutes will probably still bomb each other to the stone age.

  • 12.05.2010 5:29 AM PDT

Wake me when the jews are gone.

The UNSC still have colonies and with the new tecnology and no war they could rebild themselfs in a meter of years

  • 12.05.2010 9:46 AM PDT

I think the elites had a larger amount of knowledge of the technology than people give them credit for. After all, they had managed to create a super advanced prototype of the next generation of phantom with active camouflage, seen in Halo three after the evacuation of the third barrier tower.

They also have a huge knowledge of their own weapons, the energy swords, I'm guessing and that covers quite a bit of plasma manipulation.

Next are the ships that ELITES controlled that have a device which allows it to break bits of the ship off and still be slipspace compatible, as seen in Halo Legends the package, which was taken from the forerrunners.

Finally, they had a wide multitude of forerunner artifacts, that with the humans help, could use with ease, and replicate.

So I'm guessing the elites would have survived. Anyway, thel vadam seemed more full of resolve to help and lead his people than his sadness of a lack of great goal. After all, many humans today are fine being atheist, not beleiving in any god, and merely trying to make the world a better place.

  • 12.05.2010 9:56 AM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: CabooseRvb509
I think the elites had a larger amount of knowledge of the technology than people give them credit for. After all, they had managed to create a super advanced prototype of the next generation of phantom with active camouflage, seen in Halo three after the evacuation of the third barrier tower.

They also have a huge knowledge of their own weapons, the energy swords, I'm guessing and that covers quite a bit of plasma manipulation.

Next are the ships that ELITES controlled that have a device which allows it to break bits of the ship off and still be slipspace compatible, as seen in Halo Legends the package, which was taken from the forerrunners.

Finally, they had a wide multitude of forerunner artifacts, that with the humans help, could use with ease, and replicate.

So I'm guessing the elites would have survived. Anyway, thel vadam seemed more full of resolve to help and lead his people than his sadness of a lack of great goal. After all, many humans today are fine being atheist, not beleiving in any god, and merely trying to make the world a better place.

All of the Covenant's technological applications are fundamentally implemented by the Huragok. Revealed in Contact Harvest, not even the San-Shyuum have the knowledge required to independently manipulate Forerunner technology and reverse engineer it. So everything they have was built by them. They do not need any knowledge of it just because they are in possession of it.

Each Covenant ship has hundreds, and in some cases, thousands of Huragok engineers on board. Tends towards the theory that they are the only ones capable of repairing the technology if they are present in such large quantities on board ships.

Cortana in First Strike states that the Covenant have a very poor understanding of Maxwell's Field Equations of Electromagnetism in comparison to Humanitys. That pretty much confirms that they have not got a clue about plasma physics, or anything related to electromagnetism, which is pretty much the foundation of modern technology.

  • 12.05.2010 10:49 AM PDT

Ah, but if I remember my timeline correctly, the Sangheili already had the technology of plasma manipulation before the Elite-Prophet war, so they at least have a very simple understanding.

Anyway, with the San Shyuum extinct, the Brutes being stone age idiots, the drones hating Engineers, the jackals being notarsed, the grunts happy breeding and eating food nipples and the Hunters basically... in a worm like state, I'm guessing Humans and elites are the only ones with any Huragok, which is good as Humans and Elites are 2 of the 3 species Huragok get along well with, the third being grunts.

  • 12.05.2010 12:45 PM PDT

Actually, around 90% of humanity (as of our 6.9 billion happy bunch of sunshine) are religious while the other 10% are either atheist, non-religious, or agnostic. Now with the Sangheili and their severely loyalistic culture and basically "way of the samurai" kind of discipline and way of life, one can expect they hold onto religion steadfast and would readily have explanations to change their religion to something else.

  • 12.05.2010 1:07 PM PDT

"Find where the liar hides, so that I may place my boot between his gums!" - Rtas 'Vadum

Posted by: CabooseRvb509
Ah, but if I remember my timeline correctly, the Sangheili already had the technology of plasma manipulation before the Elite-Prophet war, so they at least have a very simple understanding.

They were Tier 3 before that war I am sure. The Bestiarium states them as being so before discovering each other and Forerunner technology. If they were Tier 2 beforehand, then what Forerunner technology did they reverse engineer, if they were already at that level? The murals show progress being made over the ages, going from a less sophisticated era represented by spears, to a more sophisticated era represented by the plasma sword. Their plasma weaponry, shields, slipspace capabilities, materials, engines; all of it, is owed to Forerunner designs. It would also imply that they were stagnant for 3000 years, begging the question of what advancements were actually made in the first place.

The Tier 2 statement is the way they are in 2552. As they are not stated as Native Tier 2, it infers nothing about the way they were before the Covenant. Merely that inbetween then and 2552, they reached Tier 2, by whatever means other than someone greater than they actively adopting them.

Posted by: CabooseRvb509
Anyway, with the San Shyuum extinct, the Brutes being stone age idiots, the drones hating Engineers, the jackals being notarsed, the grunts happy breeding and eating food nipples and the Hunters basically... in a worm like state, I'm guessing Humans and elites are the only ones with any Huragok, which is good as Humans and Elites are 2 of the 3 species Huragok get along well with, the third being grunts.

Yeah. Although, they may have left the Sangheili. Remember, the Shipmaster from The Return stated that the Sangheili are having extreme difficulty in repairing their vessels. There were hundreds of Huragok on board Covenant ships, so why would the Sangheili be having issues? Have the Huragok indeed left them?

  • 12.05.2010 1:33 PM PDT