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Subject: Why weren't Hunters the Honor Guard?

Think about it, the Prophets wanted the highest protection from any sort of attack, why weren't the Honor Guard Hunters? 1 hunter alone could take out dozens of Elites and Brutes with ease, why go in the lower tiers and choose between the Brutes and Elites?

  • 12.05.2010 11:03 PM PDT

If you cannot lead by example , intimidate.

Hunters comunication if I believe were a little goofy.

Anways do you want a giant elephant or a swift cheetah as a body guard.?

  • 12.05.2010 11:12 PM PDT

no honor as well just muscle.

  • 12.05.2010 11:14 PM PDT

no honor as well just muscle.
sorry double post :\

[Edited on 12.05.2010 11:15 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2010 11:14 PM PDT

Posted by: xHSx SnEaKy
Hunters comunication if I believe were a little goofy.

Anways do you want a giant elephant or a swift cheetah as a body guard.?


I'd rather have an elephant as it can take much more damage and inflict much more as well.

  • 12.05.2010 11:16 PM PDT

Hunters are slow, and rather dumb, whereas Elites are lightning fast and very smart, especially Honor Guards, who have very extensive training. Although I think Elites are the best Honor Guards, I think it would be a good idea to have all the Elites, plus two very special, highly trained Hunters as well.

  • 12.05.2010 11:19 PM PDT

Hunters are just a collection of eels that become one entity. They never really agreed with the Covenant in the first place. They were forced into it. I think communication with hunters would be difficult for prophets as well.

  • 12.05.2010 11:20 PM PDT

Also I don't think that's true that 1 Hunter could take out dozens of Elites. A high ranking Elite Zealot is about even with a Spartan, and a Spartan can take out 2 hunters. So one dozen low rank Elites could easily take out a Hunter. And even a dozen brutes would be more than a match for a Hunter.

[Edited on 12.05.2010 11:24 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2010 11:22 PM PDT

Actually, that isn't true. If you read the books, it takes 3 Spartan II's about 5 minutes to even cripple 1 hunter, they didn't even kill it! John was one of those Spartans.

Games aren't very canon in terms of strength, Play on Mythic difficulty and that is the true nature of the Covenant.

  • 12.05.2010 11:25 PM PDT

i like bungie.net

hunters are brilliant tacticians. where the may appear stupid there colony is allways thinking.

  • 12.05.2010 11:36 PM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Actually, that isn't true. If you read the books, it takes 3 Spartan II's about 5 minutes to even cripple 1 hunter, they didn't even kill it! John was one of those Spartans.

Games aren't very canon in terms of strength, Play on Mythic difficulty and that is the true nature of the Covenant.


Please tell me exactly what book that was. Was it the one where they are in that human city that is occupied by the covenant, and they fight the Hunters in a museum where the Covenant is after an artifact?

  • 12.05.2010 11:51 PM PDT

not true William-043 fights two hunters unarmed and kills one in a matter of seconds, therefore your statement is mute.

  • 12.05.2010 11:54 PM PDT

Posted by: SPARTAN 1777

Posted by: mojeda101
Actually, that isn't true. If you read the books, it takes 3 Spartan II's about 5 minutes to even cripple 1 hunter, they didn't even kill it! John was one of those Spartans.

Games aren't very canon in terms of strength, Play on Mythic difficulty and that is the true nature of the Covenant.


Please tell me exactly what book that was. Was it the one where they are in that human city that is occupied by the covenant, and they fight the Hunters in a museum where the Covenant is after an artifact?


Fall of Reach to be precise.

  • 12.05.2010 11:56 PM PDT

Posted by: ThE ReD3mPti0n
not true William-043 fights two hunters unarmed and kills one in a matter of seconds, therefore your statement is mute.


However a Hunter is taken on, it is varied on the opposing threat, Towards the end of Ghosts of Onyx a Hunter can take 2 direct blasts from the Rocket Launcher and still maintain its stance.

  • 12.05.2010 11:57 PM PDT

Was it the part of the Fall of Reach I mentioned above?

  • 12.06.2010 12:01 AM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: ThE ReD3mPti0n
not true William-043 fights two hunters unarmed and kills one in a matter of seconds, therefore your statement is mute.


However a Hunter is taken on, it is varied on the opposing threat, Towards the end of Ghosts of Onyx a Hunter can take 2 direct blasts from the Rocket Launcher and still maintain its stance.


That's true, if it's shield (Big metal gauntlet) is up, it can take to shots from a Rocket Launcher (Even in the game they can take that). But those Rockets where most likely fired by a young S-III with nearly no experience right? If skillfully done, two rockets could take out a Hunter.

  • 12.06.2010 12:05 AM PDT

Posted by: SPARTAN 1777

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: ThE ReD3mPti0n
not true William-043 fights two hunters unarmed and kills one in a matter of seconds, therefore your statement is mute.


However a Hunter is taken on, it is varied on the opposing threat, Towards the end of Ghosts of Onyx a Hunter can take 2 direct blasts from the Rocket Launcher and still maintain its stance.


That's true, if it's shield (Big metal gauntlet) is up, it can take to shots from a Rocket Launcher (Even in the game they can take that). But those Rockets where most likely fired by a young S-III with nearly no experience right? If skillfully done, two rockets could take out a Hunter.


Actually, it was fired by Kurt, Spartan II and director of the Spartan III program, He was a fully experienced Spartan II, although he was injured he was almost split in half by the Hunter if the Ship master didn't stop the Hunter from doing so. The rocket's were shot directly to the center mass of the Hunter.

[Edited on 12.06.2010 12:10 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2010 12:10 AM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101

Actually, it was fired by Kurt, Spartan II and director of the Spartan III program, He was a fully experienced Spartan II, although he was injured he was almost split in half by the Hunter if the Ship master didn't stop the Hunter from doing so. The rocket's were shot directly to the center mass of the Hunter.


OK, I guess you win that argument, BTW you don't have to tell me who Kurt is, I've read the books, and follow the story extensively.

But you still never answered my other question about where three Spartans couldn't kill the Hunter. You said Fall of Reach, but where exactly? Was it the place I mentioned earlier?

  • 12.06.2010 12:14 AM PDT

Posted by: SPARTAN 1777

Posted by: mojeda101

Actually, it was fired by Kurt, Spartan II and director of the Spartan III program, He was a fully experienced Spartan II, although he was injured he was almost split in half by the Hunter if the Ship master didn't stop the Hunter from doing so. The rocket's were shot directly to the center mass of the Hunter.


OK, I guess you win that argument, BTW you don't have to tell me who Kurt is, I've read the books, and follow the story extensively.

But you still never answered my other question about where three Spartans couldn't kill the Hunter. You said Fall of Reach, but where exactly? Was it the place I mentioned earlier?


Yes it was, I guess I exaggerated on the 5 minute thing but it sure did give them some trouble as they didn't even take it down with weaponry they used the stone which I forgot was made of.

Listen it was great to make conversation with you but I need to get to bed for work tomorrow, good night.

  • 12.06.2010 12:18 AM PDT

On hiding dead bodies:
Posted by: Psuedo
Posted by: teh Chaz
Inside another dead body. It's the last place they'll look
A corpse within a corpse.
CORPSEPTION.
Win.

Whilst they would have been effective at covering an emergency retreat, they would not have been effective at preventing a close-quarters assassination. Too big, and their armament too heavy for close-quarters.

Elites are trusted, fast and deadly. Perfect Honour Guardsmen.

  • 12.06.2010 12:23 AM PDT

Yes they did end up killing it with a stone, but you have to keep in mind that Spartans didn't have shields at that time, so it isn't a very fair comparison. In the end though, I think that Hunter Honor Guards would have some advantages over Elites, but in the end Elites still win for me. I still think a combo of the two would be the very best protection for the Prophets though.

EDIT: If you read this, it was great to converse with you as well.

[Edited on 12.06.2010 12:25 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2010 12:23 AM PDT

Posted by: SPARTAN 1777
Yes they did end up killing it with a stone, but you have to keep in mind that Spartans didn't have shields at that time, so it isn't a very fair comparison. In the end though, I think that Hunter Honor Guards would have some advantages over Elites, but in the end Elites still win for me. I still think a combo of the two would be the very best protection for the Prophets though.


I just came back to recheck, it was in the book that the Hunter was still moving, wasn't dead just yet as Hunters seem to never die as they consist of thousands of eels some of them are bound to survive.

  • 12.06.2010 12:25 AM PDT

Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Whilst they would have been effective at covering an emergency retreat, they would not have been effective at preventing a close-quarters assassination. Too big, and their armament too heavy for close-quarters.

Elites are trusted, fast and deadly. Perfect Honour Guardsmen.


And all that went to waste by the death of 1 prophet, You can't put all the resilient thought into an Elite and then switch over to the Brutes. Brutes have no honor, they are savages, yet they were the new guards, Hunters are much more resilient than the Brutes IMO.

  • 12.06.2010 12:26 AM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: SPARTAN 1777
Yes they did end up killing it with a stone, but you have to keep in mind that Spartans didn't have shields at that time, so it isn't a very fair comparison. In the end though, I think that Hunter Honor Guards would have some advantages over Elites, but in the end Elites still win for me. I still think a combo of the two would be the very best protection for the Prophets though.


I just came back to recheck, it was in the book that the Hunter was still moving, wasn't dead just yet as Hunters seem to never die as they consist of thousands of eels some of them are bound to survive.


Yes, that sounds right.

Great to talk to you, and good night.

  • 12.06.2010 12:27 AM PDT


Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: JDYeash937 MkII
Whilst they would have been effective at covering an emergency retreat, they would not have been effective at preventing a close-quarters assassination. Too big, and their armament too heavy for close-quarters.

Elites are trusted, fast and deadly. Perfect Honour Guardsmen.


And all that went to waste by the death of 1 prophet, You can't put all the resilient thought into an Elite and then switch over to the Brutes. Brutes have no honor, they are savages, yet they were the new guards, Hunters are much more resilient than the Brutes IMO.


I agree with that.

  • 12.06.2010 12:29 AM PDT

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