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Subject: 304 vs PoA

A BC-304 with all current [post S10] upgrades against the Pillar of Autumn post refit with the enhanced MAC.

Next scenario:

Two BC-304s against Admiral Cole and Captain Jacob Keyes in ANY UNSC ship.

Which side would be the victor?

  • 12.09.2010 4:58 PM PDT

I'm going to assume a "BC-304" is a immensely powerful starship, to take on the two best Navy captains ever, let alone the PoA.

[Edited on 12.09.2010 5:03 PM PST]

  • 12.09.2010 5:02 PM PDT

POA can destroy ANYTHING, it took out a damn supercarrier, thats bigger than a Super Star Destroyer! Supercarriers are over 27 kilometers long, Massive, against a small helcyon frigate, And Cole as his teammate? There is no competition anymore.

  • 12.09.2010 6:15 PM PDT

Posted by: mojeda101
POA can destroy ANYTHING, it took out a damn supercarrier, thats bigger than a Super Star Destroyer! Supercarriers are over 27 kilometers long, Massive, against a small helcyon frigate, And Cole as his teammate? There is no competition anymore.


SuperCRUISER. Not a Supercarrier. Even then all he did was wait for the supercruiser to fire and lower it's shields, slipped a nuke underneath the shields, then detonated the nuke with the shields up. Excellent tactics, Keyes.

  • 12.09.2010 7:21 PM PDT

Posted by: KSI SC Matt
Posted by: mojeda101
POA can destroy ANYTHING, it took out a damn supercarrier, thats bigger than a Super Star Destroyer! Supercarriers are over 27 kilometers long, Massive, against a small helcyon frigate, And Cole as his teammate? There is no competition anymore.


SuperCRUISER. Not a Supercarrier. Even then all he did was wait for the supercruiser to fire and lower it's shields, slipped a nuke underneath the shields, then detonated the nuke with the shields up. Excellent tactics, Keyes.


Oh, in that case it is eight times smaller, although it is still much bigger and armed with a much bigger arsenal of defense and assault stations throughout the ship. Concerning your post, yes, it was a brilliant tactic, do you realize that the PoA can carry a NOVA nuclear warhead? In which it destroyed over 300 Covenant Ships in less than 5 seconds, It can split a planet in half, To me that is more than enough power to destroy a 304.

If not, he would use the tactics he used on the Sigma Octanus system but that is a failsafe plan, it is just too much of a risk, although it would work, it could very well take the PoA with the destroyed 304. If the PoA had its full armament's before the Battle of Reach with it's countless nuclear warheads(3 SHIVA, 30 HAVOK, and 1 NOVA nuclear warhead, it's no competition.)

I could keep going but I want to hear what you have to say, go on, top me.

  • 12.09.2010 8:49 PM PDT

Posted by: mojeda101
Posted by: KSI SC Matt
Posted by: mojeda101
POA can destroy ANYTHING, it took out a damn supercarrier, thats bigger than a Super Star Destroyer! Supercarriers are over 27 kilometers long, Massive, against a small helcyon frigate, And Cole as his teammate? There is no competition anymore.


SuperCRUISER. Not a Supercarrier. Even then all he did was wait for the supercruiser to fire and lower it's shields, slipped a nuke underneath the shields, then detonated the nuke with the shields up. Excellent tactics, Keyes.


Oh, in that case it is eight times smaller, although it is still much bigger and armed with a much bigger arsenal of defense and assault stations throughout the ship. Concerning your post, yes, it was a brilliant tactic, do you realize that the PoA can carry a NOVA nuclear warhead? In which it destroyed over 300 Covenant Ships in less than 5 seconds, It can split a planet in half, To me that is more than enough power to destroy a 304.

If not, he would use the tactics he used on the Sigma Octanus system but that is a failsafe plan, it is just too much of a risk, although it would work, it could very well take the PoA with the destroyed 304. If the PoA had its full armament's before the Battle of Reach with it's countless nuclear warheads(3 SHIVA, 30 HAVOK, and 1 NOVA nuclear warhead, it's no competition.)

I could keep going but I want to hear what you have to say, go on, top me.


When did the PoA carry a NOVA?
Also, phase-shifting technology. Temporarily puts everything in the area of effect into another dimension. Not fully into the other dimension, but enough that anything that is not a black hole has no effect on the affected area. [For balancing issues, this technology can only be used for 77 seconds during this battle. After that, it cannot be used again, and the 304's shielding is diminished by 20%.]
EDIT: I know the Tau'ri [us] possess this technology, it's only a matter of time before it is implemented on the battlecruisers. [And maybe the fighters too?]

[Edited on 12.10.2010 5:46 AM PST]

  • 12.10.2010 5:42 AM PDT

If Admiral Cole is using the Everast, pretty much any ship against him is -blam!- ed; he had 105 nukes! Not to mention all the loads of support craft and other ship weapons.

  • 12.10.2010 5:45 AM PDT

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
If Admiral Cole is using the Everast, pretty much any ship against him is -blam!- ed; he had 105 nukes! Not to mention all the loads of support craft and other ship weapons.

what yield?
The nukes I mean.

[Edited on 12.10.2010 5:47 AM PST]

  • 12.10.2010 5:47 AM PDT

The Razor.

For the honour of the Mirratord.

For those that don't know, the BC-304's are Earth's main class of battlecrusier in the Stargate universe.

  • 12.10.2010 7:50 AM PDT

Really, it is no contest. ONE BC-304 could devastate a group of Halo Universe Human warships of any size because of one simple mismatch in the fight: BC-304's have Asgard (or anyone's for that matter) shields.

It could be comparable to one of the Covenant ships with an Energy Projector and a crap load of missles and nuclear warheads. Then toss in the Asgard beaming tech for fun and it's game over for the UNSC.

A real fight would be the Covenant vs. the Wraith.

Speaking of Stargate, the real solution to the Flood problem? Replicators. That would be an impressive ground battle.

  • 12.10.2010 9:13 AM PDT

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Euuugh..... Stargate. Terrible series, terrible writing and terrible fictional technology. I think its laughable that over just a couple of years Earth becomes one of the most advanced spare faring races with some of the most powerful warships ever built. It's just a reflection of their sloppy writing.

The Halo humans have been building warships for many many years, much more believable.

Oh Halcyon is a cruiser class, not a frigate.

  • 12.10.2010 9:20 AM PDT

I'd have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Stargate. The tech they had was almost always based on or directly either reverse-engineered from some stolen/gifted alien tech or a flat out gift from some allied advanced alien race. That is why they jumped in technology so much in so short of timeframe.

And as far as writing goes, check the sciences for the respective episode airings. They did a good job of taking modern day science break-throughs and incorporating them into some kind of science behind the tech they had on the show.

And 10 seasons and a massive cult following would also tend to disagree with your definition of "terrible".

  • 12.10.2010 9:47 AM PDT

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A Stargate Halo fight would be extreamly one sided. The X-304 is vastly supierior based on it's fictional tech. A better battle would be a UNSC Battleship Vs any adamist battle ship form The Nights Dawn Trillogy (a series of books by Peter F. Hamilton) or a Battleship from the Confederacy Dualolgy (also by Peter F. Hamilton). The fake tech is closer and would result in a more dramatic battle.

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[Edited on 12.10.2010 1:44 PM PST]

  • 12.10.2010 1:43 PM PDT

It carried the NOVA in the Sigma Octanus system battle, never used it, was destroyed during the battle, but be honest here, wouldn't a NOVA destroy a 304 easy?

  • 12.10.2010 4:09 PM PDT

Posted by: ThermodigmShift
Really, it is no contest. ONE BC-304 could devastate a group of Halo Universe Human warships of any size because of one simple mismatch in the fight: BC-304's have Asgard (or anyone's for that matter) shields.

It could be comparable to one of the Covenant ships with an Energy Projector and a crap load of missles and nuclear warheads. Then toss in the Asgard beaming tech for fun and it's game over for the UNSC.

A real fight would be the Covenant vs. the Wraith.

Speaking of Stargate, the real solution to the Flood problem? Replicators. That would be an impressive ground battle.


Whichever one wins, the rest of the galaxy-and neighboring galaxies-lose.

Flood win- the Flood now have Tier 1 technology-again.
Replicators win- dem bugs are impossible to eradicate.

  • 12.10.2010 4:25 PM PDT

Posted by: mojeda101
It carried the NOVA in the Sigma Octanus system battle, never used it, was destroyed during the battle, but be honest here, wouldn't a NOVA destroy a 304 easy?


Pretty much, yeah.
But the NOVA could crack almost anything. Maybe even the Death Star itself.

  • 12.10.2010 4:37 PM PDT

Posted by: KSI SC Matt
Posted by: mojeda101
It carried the NOVA in the Sigma Octanus system battle, never used it, was destroyed during the battle, but be honest here, wouldn't a NOVA destroy a 304 easy?


Pretty much, yeah.
But the NOVA could crack almost anything. Maybe even the Death Star itself.


The Nova could destroy High Charity, too bad Cortana wasn't given permission to use it to destroy High Charity.

In other news, What Nuke could the 304 take? Shiva? Havok? Fernis? Fury?

[Edited on 12.10.2010 4:51 PM PST]

  • 12.10.2010 4:50 PM PDT

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It seems most people don't know what a BC-304 is.

Basically, it is the main model of human starship in Stargate SG-1, Atlantis, and Universe.

I think just ONE BC-304 would destroy the PoA especially after Season 10 when it gets Asgard Beam Weapons.

Asgard beam weapons have the power of the Covenant Super Carrier's beam weapon but the 304s have FIVE of them. It would tear the Autumn's Titanium A to shreds before the Autumn could get into position to fire it's MAC

  • 12.10.2010 5:11 PM PDT


Posted by: KSI SC Matt
Posted by: ROBERTO jh
If Admiral Cole is using the Everast, pretty much any ship against him is -blam!- ed; he had 105 nukes! Not to mention all the loads of support craft and other ship weapons.

what yield?
The nukes I mean.


enough to turn a brown dwarf into a super-nova.....but as Shivas have various yields, the individual is undetermined.

But I do know they reached the 30s megaton, and he'd need Max firepower to turn a brown dwarf into a super-nova.

  • 12.10.2010 5:17 PM PDT


Posted by: Undead_Spartan
A Stargate Halo fight would be extreamly one sided. The X-304 is vastly supierior based on it's fictional tech. A better battle would be a UNSC Battleship Vs any adamist battle ship form The Nights Dawn Trillogy (a series of books by Peter F. Hamilton) or a Battleship from the Confederacy Dualolgy (also by Peter F. Hamilton). The fake tech is closer and would result in a more dramatic battle.

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A Stargate vs Halo with the Forerunner Supernova weapon combined with the tactical prowess of the UNSC and Covenant alongside the biggest ace in the hole in sci-fi (Precursors) would, I think, be a good fight.

--double post= ):--

"Pretty much, yeah.
But the NOVA could crack almost anything. Maybe even the Death Star itself."

NOVA=crate sized Death Star

"Asgard beam weapons have the power of the Covenant Super Carrier's beam weapon but the 304s have FIVE of them. It would tear the Autumn's Titanium A to shreds before the Autumn could get into position to fire it's MAC"

and the Supercarrier had at least 7 of them; possibly a better fight would be the Asgard BC vs the Assault Carrier...

[Edited on 12.10.2010 5:24 PM PST]

  • 12.10.2010 5:20 PM PDT

not so sure if the deathstar could be destroyed by a NOVA bomb, the deathstar is what, 160km in diameter, thats a lot of mass right there. don't forget all the NOVA did was shatter a small moon (phobos and diemos are small moons, really tiny things) and scorch the side of the planet. doesn't really give much insight to the destructive power of the NOVA to be honest.

also dodgy writing aside, look at the stargate universe objectively for a second instead of just 'slagging' it off outright. an example is what the daedalus (BC-304) is made from, its made from an alloy of naquadah and trinium, trinium is supposed to be many many times stronger than steel but weigh virtually nothing, naquadah is rediculously tough as well so its not to hard to assume the strength of an alloy of the two. another thing is the BC-304 is only 225 metres long, thats half the length of a UNSC frigate and its seriously quick compared to halo universe ships, so even without its asgard plasma weapons it could still deal a deathblow to something like the pillar of autumn since the autumn would likely never score a MAC hit on the ship, and archers are horribly ineffective against shields. the final thing worth noting is the main offensive weapons of the BC-304 are thermonuclear missiles, so its like engaging a UNSC ship with a bunch of SHIVA missiles, thats faster and smaller than a frigate, as well shielded as a covenant cruiser. just shouldn't compare to the two to be honest since at the end of the day the UNSC cannot win, regardless of their tactics, goes something like this:

BC-304 drops out of hyperspace, uses asgard teleporters to beam a nuclear device into the UNSC warship, BC-304 disengages and enters hyperspace, UNSC warship explodes spectacularly...

  • 12.11.2010 10:56 AM PDT

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the NOVA can destroy a planet

  • 12.11.2010 11:20 AM PDT

Posted by: PLUT0NIUM 235
not so sure if the deathstar could be destroyed by a NOVA bomb, the deathstar is what, 160km in diameter, thats a lot of mass right there. don't forget all the NOVA did was shatter a small moon (phobos and diemos are small moons, really tiny things) and scorch the side of the planet. doesn't really give much insight to the destructive power of the NOVA to be honest.

also dodgy writing aside, look at the stargate universe objectively for a second instead of just 'slagging' it off outright. an example is what the daedalus (BC-304) is made from, its made from an alloy of naquadah and trinium, trinium is supposed to be many many times stronger than steel but weigh virtually nothing, naquadah is rediculously tough as well so its not to hard to assume the strength of an alloy of the two. another thing is the BC-304 is only 225 metres long, thats half the length of a UNSC frigate and its seriously quick compared to halo universe ships, so even without its asgard plasma weapons it could still deal a deathblow to something like the pillar of autumn since the autumn would likely never score a MAC hit on the ship, and archers are horribly ineffective against shields. the final thing worth noting is the main offensive weapons of the BC-304 are thermonuclear missiles, so its like engaging a UNSC ship with a bunch of SHIVA missiles, thats faster and smaller than a frigate, as well shielded as a covenant cruiser. just shouldn't compare to the two to be honest since at the end of the day the UNSC cannot win, regardless of their tactics, goes something like this:

BC-304 drops out of hyperspace, uses asgard teleporters to beam a nuclear device into the UNSC warship, BC-304 disengages and enters hyperspace, UNSC warship explodes spectacularly...


It has the power to split a planet in half, let alone destroy 300 Covenant ships in the blink of an eye, The NOVA has enough radius to destroy High Charity as a whole which is 348km, that is more than double the size of the Death star. I find that the 304 wouldn't have enough time to even exit the radius before being vaporized by the force of the NOVA.

Hit and run tactic huh? Too scared to take on the ship head on?

[Edited on 12.11.2010 11:36 AM PST]

  • 12.11.2010 11:34 AM PDT
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When did the PoA carry a NOVA?

Never. The NOVA was an experimental weapon of unknown yield not known to be carried on any UNSC ships and only used a single time.

[Edited on 12.11.2010 11:37 AM PST]

  • 12.11.2010 11:37 AM PDT

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