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Subject: How Reach could Fit Into Canon

I don't care. I really don't.

First off: This is what I think, and has no relevance whatsoever, and if you don't think it's good, then post some angry comments and be on your way.

Now, we all know that everything besides Halo: Reach states that Reach fell in one day: August 30th, 2552.
But, this is according to the main characters of many of the Halo games/books, but many of which weren't actually present, possibly hinting ONI tried to keep it secret from the rest of the colonies so it wouldn't be a panic attack across the rest of human space (Humanity's fortress is faling? Yeah, becuase that'll make public news before it is actually destroyed) But what about those who were there such as Cortana, Keyes and even John-117 himself?
I propose that it was kept secret from them, as they all had a mission to do: find a Prophet and try and capture it to end the war. Now, the UNSC on Reach knew they couldn't win, with the only real UNSC victory ever being Harvest (it already been glassed anyways) where the UNSC had five times the amount of ships, which it was now the opposite on the UNSCs fortress. So, if they could manage to hold the Covenant long enough to send off the Spartans to end the war, it would be worth the sacrifice.
However, becuase of the Spartans personalities and that of the crew, if they knew Reach was falling they would want to abandon the mission and help Reach. This was unacceptable, so ONI did the worst thing possible: kept them in areas where there were no signs of Covenant and kept their knowledge restricted so they would not realize what was happening.
This explains why the none of the main characters know anything besides Halsey, and she would rather not think about it, and she's known for secrets; it is why TFoR never mentioned any of this.
So, why are Beta Red defending the ODPGs when what seems to be August 23rd and such? Well, it might be Beta Red was a group of Spartans that had accidently had the information leaked to, and volunteered to help, with ONI only letting them do so unless they went on the mission when the ship and the crew were ready (unfortunately, we all know Beta Red was KIA).

So, fast forward to when the Autumn is heading outsystem. So, why was the Autumn recalled when it was supposed to be taking off? Well, it is simply a misunderstanding: when the ships were recalled, there was no specific reference to any ship, but the Autumn was not included. However, Keyes didn't know that, and proceeded to help out when the second part of the Covenant fleet arrived in system.
So why was the Circumfrence sitting there for all this time with navigation data still onboard? It hadn't been sitting there, it was doing things and was on missions untill about a day or so ago. It came back and was being refitted and renamed to look like a civilian ship. So, it wasn't in danger of being captured by the Covenant, and nobody had needed to purge it until the time the Covenant arrived, at which point nobody was really onboard to do so.

So, what is with the Autumn returning to Reach? Keyes didn't know Cortana had a second half, and Halsey had not the time to get Cortana's fragment to Keyes with her helping the S-IIs with their MJOLNIR Mk. V and then rushing to Sword Base to grab Cortana while avoiding the Covenant.
Halsey then required Noble, but probably in that time, contacted Keyes and told him. Now, to re-fuse a very advanced smart AI with a fragment of itself, I'm guessing both had to be powered down beforehand or issues would occur. I will assume that Bungie used this, as we never see the Autumn's actual outsystem jump from out of Cortana's view, and being powered down (both fragments) she would not remember remember a gap in her memory (the Autmumn returning to Reach, then on the ground, then returning back up) and so would not feel the need to recount something she couldn't remember, and this is why we never see this event in TFoR.
Now, the Autumn probably utilized its state-of-the-art artificial gravity to land on Reach, much like how the Spirit of Fire, although massive, could hover in atmosphere (due to the Spirit being a refit colony ship, and so kept the artificial gravity).

So, what have we fixed? Well, a lot I think. Instead of saying the whole Reach invasion was covered up from the public, it is easier and makes more sense to say that the group that had been assigned the most important missions ever in the entire war to have it hidden to make sure their mission would happen without delay or any issues unitl on their way.

So, that's how I think it could happen, but it's my opinion, and if you have even better ways, feel free to share, and if you notice an error that is still unexplained in mine, please point it out.
And if you are one of those "Reach is broken, get over it" types: to all who wish to do as the same as the first commentor, I will not allow this thread to become another one of the many rage threads that populate these forums and now that I've seen what people want to do, I don't want any people doing this, and I will enforece this unless I am messaged from a Mod or other such person with authority as such.
This is supposed to be a progresive thread, not a bickering thread.

[Edited on 12.15.2010 9:01 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 7:53 AM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
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Posted by: Venator82
Now, we all know that everything besides Halo: Reach states that Reach fell in one day: August 30th, 2552.
But, this is according to the main characters of many of the Halo games/books, but many of which weren't actually present,


Wrong almost every main character that the story is told through was at Reach when it fell.

possibly hinting ONI tried to keep it secret from the rest of the colonies so it wouldn't be a panic attack across the rest of human space (Humanity's fortress is faling? Yeah, becuase that'll make public news before it is actually destroyed)


This statement makes no sense. The invasion was a suprise on the 30th in the books, but the broken game canon says it was the 14th. There was no one to tell "the public" about the invasion.

But what about those who were there such as Cortana, Keyes and even John-117 himself?
I propose that it was kept secret from them, as they all had a mission to do: find a Prophet and try and capture it to end the war.


It was kept secret from them that they were called back to Reach to defend it from an invasion on the 30th in book canon, and the 14th in broken game canon? The Chief didn't realize that he battled through a space station to recover nav data and lost one of his spartans because ONI magically made that memory go away?

Now, the UNSC on Reach knew they couldn't win, with the only real UNSC victory ever being Harvest (it already been glassed anyways) where the UNSC had five times the amount of ships, which it was now the opposite on the UNSCs fortress. So, if they could manage to hold the Covenant long enough to send off the Spartans to end the war, it would be worth the sacrifice.

No that is not what happened at all. In fact the Autumn and the Spartans were about to go into slipspace to do operation red flag when Reach was invaded by the fleet, again on the 30th in book canon, and the 14th in broken game canon, and they were called back to help defend it. Reach was more important than that mission to the UNSC.

However, becuase of the Spartans personalities and that of the crew, if they knew Reach was falling they would want to abandon the mission and help Reach. This was unacceptable, so ONI did the worst thing possible: kept them in areas where there were no signs of Covenant and kept their knowledge restricted so they would not realize what was happening.
This explains why the none of the main characters know anything besides Halsey, and she would rather not think about it, and she's known for secrets; it is why TFoR never mentioned any of this.


I think you have a basic misunderstanding of the storylines of both the books and the game. The small force came before the main invasion of the fleet of particular justice which came on the 14th, the discrepancy is that the timeline is completely thrown off by the 16 day gap between the 14th when the broken game canon says the Covenant fleet came and the book canon which says it was the 30th.

So, why are Beta Red defending the ODPGs when what seems to be August 23rd and such? Well, it might be Beta Red was a group of Spartans that had accidently had the information leaked to, and volunteered to help, with ONI only letting them do so unless they went on the mission when the ship and the crew were ready (unfortunately, we all know Beta Red was KIA).

Again you don't understand the story line I suggest you reread the books. Beta in a part of Red team, they were on the Autumn about to go do operation red flag when they were called back to defend Reach. When they got there the main Covenant fleet sent ground forces to disable the SMACs and they were also notified that the circumference was in danger of being captured. So the MC went to the Circumference and Red team dropped to the planets surface to defend the generators.

So, fast forward to when the Autumn is heading outsystem. So, why was the Autumn recalled when it was supposed to be taking off? Well, it is simply a misunderstanding: when the ships were recalled, there was no specific reference to any ship, but the Autumn was not included. However, Keyes didn't know that, and proceeded to help out when the second part of the Covenant fleet arrived in system.

I don't understand what you said at all. But what I got is that you are saying that the Autumn was about to jump into slipspace and go on operation red flag when they get the communique to return to Reach and do so. The message said ALL ships return that includes the Autumn. Also it wasn't the second part of the fleet. According to broken game canon there was a small force sent ahead to scout for Forerunner relics they discovered that Reach was a military outpost and signaled the Fleet of Particular Justice to come, which arrived on the 14th in broken game canon and on the 30th in book canon.

So why was the Circumfrence sitting there for all this time with navigation data still onboard? It hadn't been sitting there, it was doing things and was on missions until about a day or so ago. It came back and was being refitted and renamed to look like a civilian ship. So, it wasn't in danger of being captured by the Covenant, and nobody had needed to purge it until the time the Covenant arrived, at which point nobody was really onboard to do so.

The small covenant force arrived on the 24th. The main fleet arrived on the 14th the Autumn leaves and Reach falls on the 30th in broken game canon. When the Main fleet arrives on the 14th the Cole Protocol is declared and all nav data must be destroyed. Why in the 16 days of the battle did a ship not go collect the data instead of waiting until the battle was over and there was only the Autumn left? Terrible argument.
So, what is with the Autumn returning to Reach? Keyes didn't know Cortana had a second half, and Halsey had not the time to get Cortana's fragment to Keyes with her helping the S-IIs with their MJOLNIR Mk. V and then rushing to Sword Base to grab Cortana while avoiding the Covenant.
Halsey then required Noble, but probably in that time, contacted Keyes and told him. Now, to re-fuse a very advanced smart AI with a fragment of itself, I'm guessing both had to be powered down beforehand or issues would occur. I will assume that Bungie used this, as we never see the Autumn's actual outsystem jump from out of Cortana's view, and being powered down (both fragments) she would not remember remember a gap in her memory (the Autmumn returning to Reach, then on the ground, then returning back up) and so would not feel the need to recount something she couldn't remember, and this is why we never see this event in TFoR.


You are misunderstanding so many things. Why did Keyes return to Reach? He was recalled because the Covenant Fleet of Particular Justice arrived on the 14th in broken game canon, and the 30th in book canon. Either day it doesn't matter he had to return. Also you are misunderstanding how Cortana's memory works. When the two pieces of her were merged those memories would just become part of her she would have both the memories of what she did with the Spartans and with Halsey. So she would know that she was split in order to gather the Forerunner data, she doesn't simply forget.

Now, the Autumn probably utilized its state-of-the-art artificial gravity to land on Reach, much like how the Spirit of Fire, although massive, could hover in atmosphere (due to the Spirit being a refit colony ship, and so kept the artificial gravity).

Ugh the artificial gravity business. I honestly don't care about it's ability to land that is secondary. Just the fact that it landed at all destroys canon. But I've already explained that.

In summation you obviously need to re read the books and don't understand the storyline of the game you are trying to defend. I suggest you replay the game, and go re read the books.
Sorry for the harshness but the fact that Bungie destroyed a great story just annoys me.

[Edited on 12.15.2010 9:15 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 8:34 AM PDT
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It does fit into canon. At least for me, it does. Makes more sense to me than the book.

  • 12.15.2010 8:54 AM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: Spartan1065



Thank you for posting an illiterate and unresearched comment that you needed to quote me to make it longer and smarter and recycled both facts and words I have seen in other forums.
I have read the books, I own every one, but I do have more to my life than Halo, and I read books with half a brain and I understand.
So, seeing as you have nothing new to add to the community other than exact replicates of rages that have been going since Septmeber 14th, get out of my thread and don't come back unless you have something to do other than post a blocky comment that will drive people off to make it seem dead and resolved with another person back in their place. If you wish to do so again, just leave.

It does fit into canon. At least for me, it does. Makes more sense to me than the book.

Anything wrong with it? I don't think it's perfect, seeing as it took me five minutes of writing and reffering to my memory of the books instead of having them in front of me (which is rather good).


[Edited on 12.15.2010 9:03 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 9:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: Venator82
However, becuase of the Spartans personalities and that of the crew, if they knew Reach was falling they would want to abandon the mission and help Reach.


This totally makes no sense, a Spartan never abandon their mission no matter if their commrades die in the way, the only reason the Spartans came back was because FLEETCOM ordered them to come back and give up the mission, John had no other choice but to follow the new orders (even John told Keyes, they already had one mission to follow) but this orders were beyond John's rank, he had no option but to improvise and split the team, he knew they would be able to find a wrecked covenant ship as their former mission demanded.

So this point is far wrong. Spartans are not driven by emotions, they follow orders.

  • 12.15.2010 9:06 AM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: MasterSin

This totally makes no sense, a Spartan never abandon their mission no matter if their commrades die in the way, the only reason the Spartans came back was because FLEETCOM ordered them to come back and give up the mission, John had no other choice but to follow the new orders (even John told Keyes, they already had one mission to follow) but this orders were beyond John's rank, he had no option but to improvise and split the team, he knew they would be able to find a wrecked covenant ship as their former mission demanded.

So this point is far wrong. Spartans are not driven by emotions, they follow orders.


So how would you fix it? Don't just point out the problem, fix it. I don't want to hear mistakes that I could just find on my own if I proofread it. Actually post something useful.

  • 12.15.2010 9:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: Venator82

Posted by: MasterSin

This totally makes no sense, a Spartan never abandon their mission no matter if their commrades die in the way, the only reason the Spartans came back was because FLEETCOM ordered them to come back and give up the mission, John had no other choice but to follow the new orders (even John told Keyes, they already had one mission to follow) but this orders were beyond John's rank, he had no option but to improvise and split the team, he knew they would be able to find a wrecked covenant ship as their former mission demanded.

So this point is far wrong. Spartans are not driven by emotions, they follow orders.


So how would you fix it? Don't just point out the problem, fix it. I don't want to hear mistakes that I could just find on my own if I proofread it. Actually post something useful.


Don't tell me that, tell to Bungie, they are the ones who screwed it up, not me.

  • 12.15.2010 9:12 AM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

Posted by: Venator82
Thank you for posting an illiterate and unresearched comment


Actually I took your post very seriously and sat here with the book in hand and wrote my response carefully.

that you needed to quote me to make it longer and smarter

That is how you are supposed to respond to someone's thread you break it apart and answer each of their questions one at a time. Take a look at any theory thread in here I didn't do it to make it longer I did it so you could better understand my response. Which is why I'm doing it again.

and recycled both facts and words I have seen in other forums.

So because someone else has pointed out a flaw in the story that makes it incorrect? I think the more people that notice a flaw the more likely it is to be correct.

I have read the books, I own every one, but I do have more to my life than Halo, and I read books with half a brain and I understand.

If you have read the books I suggest you re read them because as I said you seem to be misunderstanding certain key elements. Which I tried to tell you about but you are taking information as insulting.

So, seeing as you have nothing new to add to the community other than exact replicates of rages that have been going since Septmeber 14th,

In what way did I rage I clearly laid out my arguments against your theory. If you wanted a new response to your theory you shouldn't have brought up problems that people have been talking about in this forum since the game was released. Most people have come to a concensus on what is wrong with the story line so yes you will hear a lot of the same arguments, it's your job if you are trying to say it didn't break canon to prove them wrong. Which you haven't done with this angry response of yours.

get out of my thread and don't come back unless you have something to do other than post a blocky comment that will drive people off to make it seem dead and resolved with another person back in their place. Again the manner in which I replied to you was done to make it easier for you and other to understand my arguments to your theories. It is done all over this forum take a look. [quote]


[Edited on 12.15.2010 9:18 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 9:12 AM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

Posted by: Venator82
So how would you fix it? Don't just point out the problem, fix it. I don't want to hear mistakes that I could just find on my own if I proofread it. Actually post something useful.

You are getting very angry at people who are doing what you asked them to do in your OP, which was to give you their opinions on your theory. It isn't his job to tell you how to fix your theory he obviously thinks that it doesn't fit into canon why would he try to disprove his point? I thought that's what you were trying to do.

  • 12.15.2010 9:17 AM PDT

I don't care. I really don't.


Posted by: Spartan1065

Wow. You are just... never mind. This thread will die in flames becuase Bungie tried making a more interesting story with deeper and intense plot holes and instead it seems the entire fan base besides a very select few have instantly turned on them and saying they are incapable of making a story when they tried making it deeper. But most of their fans can only shoot guns in a video game, and cannot create a plot on their own. Good job.

You are getting very angry at people who are doing what you asked them to do in your OP, which was to give you their opinions on your theory. It isn't his job to tell you how to fix your theory he obviously thinks that it doesn't fit into canon why would he try to disprove his point? I thought that's what you were trying to do

I'm not getting angry. If you think this is angry, go get a life and head outside. And I am miffed, and people are instantly saying I'm wrong instead of saying something prodctive. That's what this thread is for;, productive and non-bickering, yet that is what it urned into. Man, I hate bickering threads becuase nothing ever gets done. Next time, don't do what you did. You may not know it, but that instantly turns a thread into a bicker instead of an argument.

I'm tired, I'll come watch this fire later.

[Edited on 12.15.2010 9:26 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 9:21 AM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

Posted by: Venator82[/quote]
Wow. You are just... never mind. This thread will die in flames becuase Bungie tried making a more interesting story with deeper and intense plot holes and instead it seems the entire fan base besides a very select few have instantly turned on them and saying they are incapable of making a story when they tried making it deeper. But most of their fans can only shoot guns in a video game, and cannot create a plot on their own. Good job.[/quote]

Posted by: Spartan1065
You are getting very angry at people who are doing what you asked them to do in your OP, which was to give you their opinions on your theory. It isn't his job to tell you how to fix your theory he obviously thinks that it doesn't fit into canon why would he try to disprove his point? I thought that's what you were trying to do


Posted by: Venator82
I'm not getting angry. If you think this is angry, go get a life and head outside. And I am miffed, and people are instantly saying I'm wrong instead of saying something prodctive. That's what this thread is for;, productive and non-bickering, yet that is what it urned into. Man, I hate bickering threads becuase nothing ever gets done. Next time, don't do what you did. You may not know it, but that instantly turns a thread into a bicker instead of an argument.


Telling me to get a life and go outside doesn't necessarily prove that you're not angry. Anyway I was being very productive you asked us to give you our opinions on whether or not the story of Reach makes sense. I told you why I think it doesn't and you started flaming me instead of responding to my arguments. It's actually you who is causing your own thread to go down in flames.

I see that you have edited your OP. I am not one of those "reach is broken people" I happen to love Reach. But as someone who enjoys the story of the Halo games I also think that the story has a lot of inconsistencies. You gave a theory I pointed out where it was flawed your anger ensued. I'm not trying to get a rise out of you I was trying to have a discussion, apparently you are incapable of that.

[Edited on 12.15.2010 9:38 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 9:26 AM PDT

Fight to the end, and give it your all.

People got their opinions, but I rather go with game canon than book. After all, Bungie is the studio that created the franchise, and I believe that they have the right to change and alter some things in order to create their game. Plus, I don't really see how you can make an amazing campaign experience with just one day as the timeline.

  • 12.15.2010 10:12 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

Oh my God that actually makes sense

  • 12.15.2010 10:18 AM PDT

Oh hey there

Posted by: petarded2
It's a metaphor for the 07s' lack of identity. too old to be newfa­g, yet too new to be oldfa­g, we wander b.net in search of a home, forever trying to be something we are not.

Posted by: gasung617
People got their opinions, but I rather go with game canon than book. After all, Bungie is the studio that created the franchise, and I believe that they have the right to change and alter some things in order to create their game. Plus, I don't really see how you can make an amazing campaign experience with just one day as the timeline.

I suppose they do have the right to change whatever they want about the story. But if they are going to do that why invest the time in the campaign or reading they books if they will just change it all at some point down the road?

Bungie has also said that the books are just as much part of the canon as the games are. They could have easily made an amazing campaign in that one day with the story of Red team from TFoR and GoO. If you've read them you know what I'm talking about all the battles they went through on the surface to defend the generators and Beta team falling back to Castle base and finding the artifact. FANTASTIC story.

[Edited on 12.15.2010 10:22 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 10:22 AM PDT

Fight to the end, and give it your all.

Posted by: Spartan1065
Posted by: gasung617
People got their opinions, but I rather go with game canon than book. After all, Bungie is the studio that created the franchise, and I believe that they have the right to change and alter some things in order to create their game. Plus, I don't really see how you can make an amazing campaign experience with just one day as the timeline.

I suppose they do have the right to change whatever they want about the story. But if they are going to do that why invest the time in the campaign or reading they books if they will just change it all at some point down the road?

Bungie has also said that the books are just as much part of the canon as the games are. They could have easily made an amazing campaign in that one day with the story of Red team from TFoR and GoO. If you've read them you know what I'm talking about all the battles they went through on the surface to defend the generators and Beta team falling back to Castle base and finding the artifact. FANTASTIC story.


I have to tell you that I love the books, and it was an amazing story. But I wouldn't really want to have my campaign experience being about a book rather than something new, but that's just me.

  • 12.15.2010 5:43 PM PDT


Posted by: Venator82
First off: This is what I think, and has no relevance whatsoever, and if you don't think it's good, then post some angry comments and be on your way.

Now, we all know that everything besides Halo: Reach states that Reach fell in one day: August 30th, 2552.
But, this is according to the main characters of many of the Halo games/books, but many of which weren't actually present, possibly hinting ONI tried to keep it secret from the rest of the colonies so it wouldn't be a panic attack across the rest of human space (Humanity's fortress is faling? Yeah, becuase that'll make public news before it is actually destroyed) But what about those who were there such as Cortana, Keyes and even John-117 himself?
I propose that it was kept secret from them, as they all had a mission to do: find a Prophet and try and capture it to end the war. Now, the UNSC on Reach knew they couldn't win, with the only real UNSC victory ever being Harvest (it already been glassed anyways) where the UNSC had five times the amount of ships, which it was now the opposite on the UNSCs fortress. So, if they could manage to hold the Covenant long enough to send off the Spartans to end the war, it would be worth the sacrifice.
However, becuase of the Spartans personalities and that of the crew, if they knew Reach was falling they would want to abandon the mission and help Reach. This was unacceptable, so ONI did the worst thing possible: kept them in areas where there were no signs of Covenant and kept their knowledge restricted so they would not realize what was happening.
This explains why the none of the main characters know anything besides Halsey, and she would rather not think about it, and she's known for secrets; it is why TFoR never mentioned any of this.
So, why are Beta Red defending the ODPGs when what seems to be August 23rd and such? Well, it might be Beta Red was a group of Spartans that had accidently had the information leaked to, and volunteered to help, with ONI only letting them do so unless they went on the mission when the ship and the crew were ready (unfortunately, we all know Beta Red was KIA).

So, fast forward to when the Autumn is heading outsystem. So, why was the Autumn recalled when it was supposed to be taking off? Well, it is simply a misunderstanding: when the ships were recalled, there was no specific reference to any ship, but the Autumn was not included. However, Keyes didn't know that, and proceeded to help out when the second part of the Covenant fleet arrived in system.
So why was the Circumfrence sitting there for all this time with navigation data still onboard? It hadn't been sitting there, it was doing things and was on missions untill about a day or so ago. It came back and was being refitted and renamed to look like a civilian ship. So, it wasn't in danger of being captured by the Covenant, and nobody had needed to purge it until the time the Covenant arrived, at which point nobody was really onboard to do so.

So, what is with the Autumn returning to Reach? Keyes didn't know Cortana had a second half, and Halsey had not the time to get Cortana's fragment to Keyes with her helping the S-IIs with their MJOLNIR Mk. V and then rushing to Sword Base to grab Cortana while avoiding the Covenant.
Halsey then required Noble, but probably in that time, contacted Keyes and told him. Now, to re-fuse a very advanced smart AI with a fragment of itself, I'm guessing both had to be powered down beforehand or issues would occur. I will assume that Bungie used this, as we never see the Autumn's actual outsystem jump from out of Cortana's view, and being powered down (both fragments) she would not remember remember a gap in her memory (the Autmumn returning to Reach, then on the ground, then returning back up) and so would not feel the need to recount something she couldn't remember, and this is why we never see this event in TFoR.
Now, the Autumn probably utilized its state-of-the-art artificial gravity to land on Reach, much like how the Spirit of Fire, although massive, could hover in atmosphere (due to the Spirit being a refit colony ship, and so kept the artificial gravity).

So, what have we fixed? Well, a lot I think. Instead of saying the whole Reach invasion was covered up from the public, it is easier and makes more sense to say that the group that had been assigned the most important missions ever in the entire war to have it hidden to make sure their mission would happen without delay or any issues unitl on their way.

So, that's how I think it could happen, but it's my opinion, and if you have even better ways, feel free to share, and if you notice an error that is still unexplained in mine, please point it out.
And if you are one of those "Reach is broken, get over it" types: to all who wish to do as the same as the first commentor, I will not allow this thread to become another one of the many rage threads that populate these forums and now that I've seen what people want to do, I don't want any people doing this, and I will enforece this unless I am messaged from a Mod or other such person with authority as such.
This is supposed to be a progresive thread, not a bickering thread.
THIS, i loved it very spot on from what i believe, OP have you read halseys journal by any chance? anyway.

for keyes to return when the spartans met up for halseys briefing or whatever briefing it was( for the capture of a prophet) halsey told Keyes about whats been happening on reach so with that keyes would return to pick up cortanas fragment, when he new he had to, perhaps some bickering between them made him not want too but then when 700 plus ships came to reach he had to get that data from cortanas fragment something risky to save humanity and their Daughter.

it's possible. Red, echo and gauntlet teams were spartan 2's or more spartan 3's considering the full number of spartan 2's( and perhaps 3's are not fully known) another is in reach the game were fighting on half of reach with the army, in the books and games we were of Navy province perhaps half of reach was contained with navy and the other with Army?

other than this you got what i believed after I read halseys journal. nice work

[Edited on 12.16.2010 1:58 AM PST]

  • 12.16.2010 1:45 AM PDT

Topic creator, thanks for scraping that intellectual abortion across my monitor. You have no idea what you are talking about

  • 12.16.2010 2:09 PM PDT

This is Not a
Boy Scout Convention

Put out your fire, Take down your tent and STOP CAMPING!

very nice i like it!!!!

most of it makes sense....

ONI could have kept Reach a secret to the rest of Human Space...plus im sure that sort of information wouldn't even reach the inner colonies for a few months...as far the other Spartans it is pluasable....one thing i want to set straight in my mind....what date does red team lose control of the generators??? the 30th??

also wasn't reach glassed??? i don't know if anyone noticed but the final cut scene in the game when Cortana is talking is dated 2583ish...which doesn't make much sense.....but then again HALO is my hobby not my life...i might be wrong lol

  • 12.16.2010 3:23 PM PDT