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Subject: Is Jorge's true potential actually exploited? I think no

Playing the campaign alot lately I've come to question myself to why Jorge carries a heavy-ass turret around.

It doesn't seem natural for a Spartan II to forfeit everything he's capable off by dedicating his entire "space" to such a large weapon. Spartan II's are supposed to be agile, fast, get out of and be able to destroy a group of enemies in the blink of an eye. By carrying this weapon and the huge ammunition sack he isn't, like I said, capable of doing those things.
Yes, he is strong as a bear, and could probably rip the spine out of the back of an Elite if he got the chance to, but he can't even sprint. Not the Armor Ability, but simply running, like both you and I are capable of.
He also has a bunch of random, HUGE armor pieces glued to his suit that must weigh a ton. For example the shoulder guards and the huge chest armor.

Noble Team never really had any missions where such a huge suppresive weapon was required. It probably came in handy in a couple of assaults, but..

Try comparing him to John aka Master Chief. Imagine playing through the trilogy with nothing but a turret. Sounds slow, doesn't it? And an Elite, even a Brute, is intelligent enough to get his butt behind cover when a turret-wielding guy is approaching. Maybe not gameplay-wise, but you get the point.
In my opinion a Spartan should use weapons that are easy to wield, mobile, and only use very heavy weapons in special situations, and when out of ammunition; exploit all the Covie guns laying around.
I bet Jorge's potential as a Spartan II would do alot more good than what he did in the game. Not saying that he was inneffective, he actually killed some people.. But if he atleast had an assault rifle or a grenade launcher so that he could actually move faster WHILE killing stuff, the story would've turned out different for him.

We all love the crazy heavy weapons specialist who walks around, pumping lead in everything that moves. But in this case it's a genetically enhanced, augmented and extremely experienced super soldier whose powers and capabilities should've been fully exploited.

Any thoughts? This wall of text ended up twice as long as I intended..


[Edited on 12.15.2010 10:26 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 10:25 AM PDT

I agree, I dont have anything else to add lol

  • 12.15.2010 11:41 AM PDT

yes but noble team was well diversed we had a sniper a leader a tech girl a close range guy and jorge the guy that everyone needs for support yes he might have lived if he had faster abilities but still he was useful hell he saved my butt a handful of times but yeah i see what you were getting at but the game would have been a bit boring if there was a another guy exactly like you

  • 12.15.2010 11:53 AM PDT

If it came down to a one against many situation like what the MC went through, then lugging around a turret would be a poor decision.

However, it is very wise to have someone carrying a very suppresive weapon in a team. Hell, even the core of a fireteam is built upon having someone providing extended suppresive fire so the others can move up and disect the enemy forces with flanking and advances.

  • 12.15.2010 11:59 AM PDT

Good points, people. I agree that every squad needs a heavy weapons specialist, but in this squad it shouldn't be fastest and strongest one. Emile should've been the guy with the turret, as he doesn't really have any "stereotypic" role in the squad, like the sniper, the leader, the tech chick and the heavy weapons guy. He seems to be somekind of an explosives expert by all the grenades and charges he carry around and his use of the rocket launcher on ONI: Sword Base. Kinda like Alias from Red Faction 2, if anyone ever played that game. But apart from the ending sequence of the second campaign level and the scene where he uses the grenade launcher, he is always using the shotgun - and all those eplosive guns and launchers and what-not should basically be covered by Jorge's heavy weapons speciality.. Perhaps a slightly smaller chaingun would be more appropriate since he's a SIII, tho.

[Edited on 12.15.2010 12:15 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 12:10 PM PDT
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Master Chief and Six are the only Spartans allowed to act the one man army part. Hyper-lethal, yes?

  • 12.15.2010 12:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: spurkis
Emile should've been the guy with the turret, as he doesn't really have any "stereotypic" role in the squad,


He's the badass black guy. Also the knife guy. Also the crazy guy.

  • 12.15.2010 12:14 PM PDT

Posted by: TheDocSprinkles

Posted by: spurkis
Emile should've been the guy with the turret, as he doesn't really have any "stereotypic" role in the squad,


He's the badass black guy. Also the knife guy. Also the crazy guy.


Jorge is technically the badass black guy, even though he's not black. Haven't you played Killzone and watched The Expendables? The trigger-happy chaingun-guy must always be black/hispanic, unless it's Schwarzenegger or that guy in Team Fortress. Golden rule, you know.

Both Kat and Jun are pretty crazy, too....

[Edited on 12.15.2010 12:19 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 12:17 PM PDT

Jorge was a trooper who dished out suppressing fire. Like you siad, if Elites and Brutes hid behind cover when they see his turret, then you can run up there without fearing an Elite will kill you before you can get to them.

I'm sure that if Jorge was included in a book, he'd have more roles and would probably carry lighter weapons. As for his armor, I'm sure it's all functional (He is a heavy soldier) The giant shoulderpads are most likely protection from explosions as the cover most of his arm and one of them actually hides part of his neck. He's also got that thingamajig on his chestplate, and is a huge SPARTAN to begin with. I'm betting that it dampens his ability to run, but it's necessary for a Heavy like Jorge to have good protection.

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Emile is the CQC specialist. I agree with what you said about Jorge, but it works better for the game this way.

  • 12.15.2010 12:26 PM PDT

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I agree. Bungie did a dreadful job at portraying a different Spartan 2. They are supposed to be strong, experienced, agile, and efficient, not asking questions to their inferior Spartan 3's, wielding the biggest guns, and just sacrifice themselves when they could be of much more use, seeing as they're a Spartan.

  • 12.15.2010 12:30 PM PDT

They should make a game were you play as jorge.... but its how he goes from emotionless agile spartan II to a careing hulk with a chaingun XD

  • 12.15.2010 1:31 PM PDT

Yeah I don't get why Carter gets to be Noble's leader when Jorge is much older, more experienced, and also has better weapons (and appears more in the game. Carter does almost nothing until the part where he takes down the Scarab)

  • 12.15.2010 2:17 PM PDT

I put the laughter in manslaughter

noble 6 was a team though you have to remember that. they each needed to play a key role in the group.
jorge was the heavy weapons
jun was sniper/recon
kat was cook/tech
carter was the leader
emile was the close range psycho
noble six was the pilot/assassin

  • 12.15.2010 2:56 PM PDT

I put the laughter in manslaughter

Posted by: Gruntpocalypto
Yeah I don't get why Carter gets to be Noble's leader when Jorge is much older, more experienced, and also has better weapons (and appears more in the game. Carter does almost nothing until the part where he takes down the Scarab)

Jorge was a softy who tends to focus more on the lives of marines than that of the objective. Not that focusing on saving lives isnt bad, but sometimes an objective is more important than saving a few lives. plus Jorge didnt seem like the type to give out orders.

  • 12.15.2010 2:57 PM PDT

canonically, Jorge shouldn't have been that emotional. Although each member of Noble Team filled a niche, SPARTAN-IIs were chosen because they were natural leaders.

  • 12.15.2010 3:09 PM PDT

And you thought you were pro...

Yeah, Jorge should have had lighter armor. Kind of like the Master Chief's. He should also have had dual SMG's with him, and maybe a rocket launcher/Spartan Laser on his back. Kind of like in the cutscene, Spartans Vs Elites from Halo Wars. They really did a good job on showing what a Spartan 2 was capable of. If jorge was in that situation...well he probably would have gotten stabbed with one of the spears...because I doubt he could have jumped over an elite with that giant machine gun..

[Edited on 12.28.2010 1:01 PM PST]

  • 12.28.2010 1:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
I agree. Bungie did a dreadful job at portraying a different Spartan 2. They are supposed to be strong, experienced, agile, and efficient, not asking questions to their inferior Spartan 3's, wielding the biggest guns, and just sacrifice themselves when they could be of much more use, seeing as they're a Spartan.


That's because Spartan-IIs are not superior to Spartan-IIIs.

  • 12.28.2010 1:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
I agree. Bungie did a dreadful job at portraying a different Spartan 2. They are supposed to be strong, experienced, agile, and efficient, not asking questions to their inferior Spartan 3's, wielding the biggest guns, and just sacrifice themselves when they could be of much more use, seeing as they're a Spartan.

Bungie is dreadful at portraying Spartans. Period.

  • 12.28.2010 2:36 PM PDT

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I do agree. Instead of his huge machine gun turret, I feel Jorge should have been equipped with a SPARTAN Laser, as well as a Rocket Launcher and an Assaulr Rifle (yes, it's 3 weapons, but it would make him an effective heavy weapons specialist). That backpack could have remained, as a prototype charging dock for the Splaser.

He could have kept his chest, but possibly made his helmet GUNGNIR for the obvious reason.

  • 12.28.2010 3:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Plasma Prestige
I agree. Bungie did a dreadful job at portraying a different Spartan 2. They are supposed to be strong, experienced, agile, and efficient, not asking questions to their inferior Spartan 3's, wielding the biggest guns, and just sacrifice themselves when they could be of much more use, seeing as they're a Spartan.

Bungie is dreadful at portraying Spartans. Period.


That's why everyone loves the Chief right? And will go so far as to look like Noble Team members in matchmaking?

  • 12.28.2010 5:47 PM PDT

Posted by: warrior527
Posted by: Beowolfe

Posted by: Plasma Prestige
I agree. Bungie did a dreadful job at portraying a different Spartan 2. They are supposed to be strong, experienced, agile, and efficient, not asking questions to their inferior Spartan 3's, wielding the biggest guns, and just sacrifice themselves when they could be of much more use, seeing as they're a Spartan.

Bungie is dreadful at portraying Spartans. Period.


That's why everyone loves the Chief right? And will go so far as to look like Noble Team members in matchmaking?

You don't understand what Beowolfe is getting at...

The spartans in the game are pathetic compared to how they are depicted in the novels. In campaign they're really just marines limited to 2-3 weapons with cool looking armor.


  • 12.28.2010 6:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: FleetAdmiralBob
Master Chief and Six are the only Spartans allowed to act the one man army part. Hyper-lethal, yes?

Yes, but the Chief himself said that if there were ever a 'Lone Wolf' Spartan, it would be Linda. Hyper-Lethal is only their combat rating.

  • 12.28.2010 7:03 PM PDT

They did show how strong Jorge is, he pulled up N6 with one hand on Tip of the Spear, and lifted N6 yet again and threw him off a Corvette with ease.

  • 12.28.2010 8:55 PM PDT

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