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Subject: The Campaign Sucks
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Sometimes, I dream about cheese.

i agree, those tunnels, halways, arcs... can become annoying if you get lost in them. spent over an hour once trying to find the second pulse generator!

i agree the copied and pasted parts of maps make it less interesting (especially when when comparing to CoD) but that didnt bother me so much.

but i dont have a problem with the motion sensor at all. even if you where right, cut microsoft some slack because halo 1 was the best game from the end of 2001 to the end of 2004, graphics and programming wasnt as good as it is now back then so they probably couldnt have made it better or they just didnt realise it.

the campaign was awesome when playing it for the first time but once you finish it i guess its done for, however its fun to replay some levels and muck around

  • 06.27.2011 8:12 PM PDT

I have to disagree. The game is nearly flawless.

  • 06.29.2011 3:00 PM PDT

How did you get lost? The only time I ever got lost was when I circled one of the chambers in AotCR for about 3 minutes until I saw the arrow pointing me out of there.

  • 06.29.2011 7:16 PM PDT
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Posted by: DootuzPIE
Posted by: MN89
DUDE YOU SUCK! YOU'RE NOT A TRUE HALO FAN UNLESS YOU FIND NO FAULT AT ALL IN THE ORIGINAL GAME! THE ORIGINAL IS PERRRRRRRFECT! THE SEQUELS SUCK EVEN THOUGH WE KEEP PLAYING THEM DURRRRRRRRRR!


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true dat :)

  • 07.14.2011 8:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: xyz4524
I have to disagree. The game is nearly flawless.


finally some one who is not a hater on the greatest game of all time since pong or Gnop :).

  • 07.14.2011 8:30 PM PDT

Relax. I'd rather not piss this thing off.

-Master Chief

For its time it was one of the best campaign's out there on the orginal xbox of course it may be different now since graphics have gotten better.

  • 07.15.2011 2:34 AM PDT

To me Halo Ce was the best and still is the best campaign. It was the only game in the series I think that puts in the players mind a sense of awe and suspense. Other than that Halo 2 had a great story and to me the best online multiplayer in the series. Halo 3 was good but not the best and can improve story and multiplayer wise. Halo 3 odst was pretty decent but still not nearly as good as the early games. Reach justs fails, didnt go with canon bad multiplayer was and still is bad.


Yes I know this is about Halo CE but if you are the veteran you say you are I think you can realize that Halo CE had the better story and if you think that reach is better I feel for you.

: My opinions

  • 07.15.2011 4:49 PM PDT
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Holy hotdog in a toaster!
Holy poptart in a pencil sharpener!
Holy overused joke in a Bungie signature!

the campaign does not suck!YOU TOTAL N00000000000B!!!!!!!!!!

  • 07.15.2011 5:20 PM PDT

-Kilroy Was Here

Your right about the repetitive area thing. That was really confusing and irritating, and the poor graphics didn't help.

  • 07.15.2011 7:48 PM PDT
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CE Pros:

-great level design (maybe except The Library)
-realism. Enough said
-weapon diversity and reliability of every weapon (even AR could get the job done)
-grenades, shields, health were realistic
-felt like a god even on Legendary
-beatable, fair, and really good Elite AI
-multiple other reasons that are too long to list

CE Cons:

-friendly AI had some problems that could have easily been fixed. In this video, the plasma rifle and needler marines are the modified ones and the assault rifle is the classic marine. Notice how the classic marine gets killed by charging in too close while the modified marines stay with me
-vehicle collision was unrealistic, but it was nice regardless. The only thing I didn't like was getting splattered by my own vehicle and Hunters being killed too easily by barely being touched
-Hunters. They're just too easy to kill. In this video, I show how Hunters have better resistance (their armor takes damage. You can see this by seeing their head moving back when shot). They can also leap (not shown in the video but this is used when I go to higher ground). I also show marine efficiency. By simply changing the hunter fuel rod projectile's AI perception radius and danger radius, I made it so that they roll from the shots, lasting longer.

Several things that need to be fixed (or should be considered):

-there's a human combat form on The Maw that is allied with the Covenant. I'm not sure if this is only in PC
-plasma rifle wielding Zealots don't have provisions for berserk melee
-stealth Elite sword glow problem is fixed in the remaked version, but what about when you go back to the original via select button? The process is simple. Duplicate the sword, let the Zealots keep the original sword and modify the duplicated sword and give it to Stealth Elites.
-Hunters can be killed with one shot to the back

I'm not a CE hater. I'm just giving my take on improvements. I recognize it as a Halo game and I recognize that it is has many pros.

[Edited on 07.15.2011 8:45 PM PDT]

  • 07.15.2011 8:43 PM PDT

"Hey! I heard you fellas taste.... just like chicken!!"


Posted by: Sliding Ghost
CE Pros:

-great level design (maybe except The Library)
-realism. Enough said
-weapon diversity and reliability of every weapon (even AR could get the job done)
-grenades, shields, health were realistic
-felt like a god even on Legendary
-beatable, fair, and really good Elite AI
-multiple other reasons that are too long to list

CE Cons:

-friendly AI had some problems that could have easily been fixed. In this video, the plasma rifle and needler marines are the modified ones and the assault rifle is the classic marine. Notice how the classic marine gets killed by charging in too close while the modified marines stay with me
-vehicle collision was unrealistic, but it was nice regardless. The only thing I didn't like was getting splattered by my own vehicle and Hunters being killed too easily by barely being touched
-Hunters. They're just too easy to kill. In this video, I show how Hunters have better resistance (their armor takes damage. You can see this by seeing their head moving back when shot). They can also leap (not shown in the video but this is used when I go to higher ground). I also show marine efficiency. By simply changing the hunter fuel rod projectile's AI perception radius and danger radius, I made it so that they roll from the shots, lasting longer.

Several things that need to be fixed (or should be considered):

-there's a human combat form on The Maw that is allied with the Covenant. I'm not sure if this is only in PC
-plasma rifle wielding Zealots don't have provisions for berserk melee
-stealth Elite sword glow problem is fixed in the remaked version, but what about when you go back to the original via select button? The process is simple. Duplicate the sword, let the Zealots keep the original sword and modify the duplicated sword and give it to Stealth Elites.
-Hunters can be killed with one shot to the back

I'm not a CE hater. I'm just giving my take on improvements. I recognize it as a Halo game and I recognize that it is has many pros.


I agree to alot of your points there.

What Im kinda curious about is.. If they change the characters models/astetics/graphics with just a press on the back button. Would it be possible to change the physics, A.I etc in the same way, I guess its way to hard-coded and to advanced to be rapidly switched on?

Because if the possibilities to slay some of the Cons you mentioned, it would be great. Like, no more one shotting the Hunters, getting killed or kill by barely make contact with a vehicle etc. Also I hope the asthetic and graphical switch can change several minor effects like switching the covenants vehicles from burning orange to blue, like in the sequels. Different tech you know.

Also about giving Halo CE the respect, I agree. It was after all THE game of its time and which kick-started a whole more bunch of its franchise, and you alredy see ALOT of FPS games mimicing things from halo like regen health, well at least shields (though I do think there were games before Halo Ce which had those features).

Anyway!

The Campaign IMO, does not suck. They really made the most out of several map levels in at least two ways (like AonCR and Two Betrayals). Also I like the feel of being MC in his Mark 5 suit,, sure its heavier and you cant jump as high as other SPartan II with Mark 6 or Spartan III with either mark. But! The armor felt solid, and also alot more metallic than the ones in the sequels (Halo Reach Armor being close to that feeling of heavy metal).

[Edited on 07.16.2011 9:16 AM PDT]

  • 07.16.2011 9:15 AM PDT

"Die? Didn't you know? Spartans never die." - Kurt-051's last words.

Every game has flaws. You just have to adapt to them and enjoy the pros.

And apparently, there are more pros than cons in Combat Evolved.

  • 07.16.2011 9:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: Roderick

I agree to alot of your points there.

What Im kinda curious about is.. If they change the characters models/astetics/graphics with just a press on the back button. Would it be possible to change the physics, A.I etc in the same way, I guess its way to hard-coded and to advanced to be rapidly switched on?

Because if the possibilities to slay some of the Cons you mentioned, it would be great. Like, no more one shotting the Hunters, getting killed or kill by barely make contact with a vehicle etc. Also I hope the asthetic and graphical switch can change several minor effects like switching the covenants vehicles from burning orange to blue, like in the sequels. Different tech you know.

Also about giving Halo CE the respect, I agree. It was after all THE game of its time and which kick-started a whole more bunch of its franchise, and you alredy see ALOT of FPS games mimicing things from halo like regen health, well at least shields (though I do think there were games before Halo Ce which had those features).
Not sure. I'm just a basic modder. The Custom Edition modders and Eschaton veteran users know a lot more.

Glad you understand. Vehicle color change?

It was truly great.

Posted by: Ultra Force
Every game has flaws. You just have to adapt to them and enjoy the pros.

And apparently, there are more pros than cons in Combat Evolved.
Yeah. But that doesn't mean we should be silent about it.

Most of my problems with the game have to do with the AI and physics. But changing the physics will probably change the physic stunts (i.e. tower to tower). But I don't see how changing the AI will have an adverse impact on the game. Marines are supposed to be competent and willing to sacrifice their lives. Yet all I saw was incompetence and suicidal action that no marine would do. Sure, they're worse in the later games, but they had potential in CE.

Here are the changes I made to them:

-marines keep their distance from each other, minimizing friendly fire
-marines can now roll from Hunter fuel rods
-marines fire further (a little too much though)
-marines keep their distance from enemies

The AR marine represented the classic marine. Notice how he tried to get in close. That's desired combat range dictating his preference.

If there are marines in Halo 4 or another CE remake, then AR marines should be the bread and butter, the cannonfodder, the classic marines we know and love and the Covey weapon marines should be the skillfully competent ones (as seen in T&R after freeing Keyes). That way, we can have more than 16 marines!! Imagine Silent Cartographer with more marines with AR marines rushing.

But all Johnsons should remain the same. In my other video, Marine Efficiency 2, I set it so that Johnson would keep his distance from the Covies but it didn't work on him. I guess he's just too badass to be modded.

But yeah, CE has more pros than cons.

[Edited on 07.16.2011 9:33 PM PDT]

  • 07.16.2011 9:14 PM PDT

Eh I can see where you're coming from but i just dont think any of those things make it bad

  • 07.17.2011 1:56 AM PDT

"Hey! I heard you fellas taste.... just like chicken!!"

Vehicle color change?

I must have gotten it wrong. What I meant was the color of the flames and explosions from the covenant vehicles in Halo CE. they were orange and smokey like with human vehichles that explodes. This, though got changed in the sequels, where they blow up in blue/cyan (plasmatic?) explosions etc.


[Edited on 07.17.2011 11:33 AM PDT]

  • 07.17.2011 11:33 AM PDT

Hello there, my name is Donna. I love halo. I been playing it since the Halo Combat evolved came out, i have been hopeing since that came out more halo related games would come out, my wishes came true. Halo 2 came out.... How excited i was. Then after i Then Halo reach came out.... WoW how epic it was.... But i am still wating for halo 4 to come OUT EEEEEEEEE!

If it wasnt for halo Combat evolved none of us will be playing Halo at this very moment. Halo has been my Genration i will be playing it for a life time! I Love Halo!

  • 07.17.2011 12:17 PM PDT

So you think halo ce campaign sucks?
i quote Dr. Halsey.
"Do you? Mankind is outmatched. When Reach falls - and it will fall - our annihilation is all but certain. Unless...we can glean from this artifact a defense against the Covenant. A game-changer. On the level of the conical bullet in the nineteenth century, Halo: combat evolved in the twenty-first, or faster-than-light travel in the twenty-third."
so there complain all you want but if it werent for halo ce, you wouldnt have your other games like the subsequent halos, or COD (Which suck more than halo.) they revolutionized gaming, and that demands respect.
And those who say he's trolling, remember halo was around before your "trolling" was, so at least use this as a reply, "the jerk store called and they're all out of you!".

  • 07.29.2011 6:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: MN89
I'm a veteran Halo player
Yep, sure you are...

  • 07.29.2011 9:03 PM PDT

maybe the stuff your talking about can be a bit annoying but its really not that bad. i think the motion tracker works great and maybe some hallways look the same but all together halo ce is an awesome game

  • 07.30.2011 1:16 AM PDT

HajDuk

Ok my "friend" lets put it this way. Would everyone agree that the Pokemon games are epic? yes? well the first game had crap graphics and louds of bugs. Same thing goes for Zelda.... and Mario.... and CoD. The originals are not about having the best graphics or having the best coding ever. They are about nostalgia dip why the hell do you think they are making a Halo CE Aniversary (sos about spelling) so stop whining about it. Complaining about the coding to a ten year old game is like me complaining why Grandad can't wrestle crocodiles no more. ITS OLD GET OVER IT! and wait for Halo CEA and then orgasm over it like the rest of us.

  • 07.30.2011 2:53 AM PDT
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Dude, come on, attract the flood with gunfire and once they are below you, just grenade them

  • 07.30.2011 4:25 AM PDT

go -blam!- you're self, and stop whning

  • 07.30.2011 5:21 AM PDT
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I'm a veteran Halo player

And I can see that because you have your GT linked....OH WAIT.

  • 07.30.2011 11:11 AM PDT
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trololol

  • 07.31.2011 2:09 PM PDT