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Subject: How do you think Pete Stacker and Chips Dubbo escaped Instillation 04?
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It is a very complicated thing to theorize, one of the greatest mysteries of the Halo Universe. But, there has to be and explanation and we will find it. I will help you form your theories with guidelines:

How they could not have escaped:
*Pelican (No slip space drive)
*Longsword (Same as Pelican)
*Spirit (Same as Pelican)
*Covenant Cruiser (A 2 [or more] man team of only Marines could not hijack a cruiser)
*UNSC Frigate (None were there)

And now we have to think of a way . . .

My Theory: Pete and Chips hid aboard a Spirt which flew up to a Covenant Cruiser. The Cruiser was part of the fleet the Flagship the chief hijacked was in. When the Cruiser came near the Rebel Astroid City, they snuck aboard a Spirit and took it down to the city. Since the UNSC know of its location, they send a Frigate to pick them up.

What is your theory?

  • 12.15.2010 6:30 PM PDT

They went with Johnson.

  • 12.15.2010 6:31 PM PDT

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They did escape. They're some of the only characters to survive the entire series.

  • 12.15.2010 6:33 PM PDT

They didn't. They're stock characters. Hence why several of them appear all over the place.

And as far as Halo 1 is concerned, nobody except the chief survived. Hence why Halo 2 had that ridiculous Sarge lampshade hanging in the armory.

[Edited on 12.15.2010 6:45 PM PST]

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Posted by: Tupolev
They didn't. They're stock characters. Hence why several of them appear all over the place.

This is true, however there is a back story to these characters and the OP was wondering how they may have survived the Battle of Installation 04. (Honestly I have no idea.)
And as far as Halo 1 is concerned, nobody except the chief survived.
If you read First Strike then you know that there were others who survived the battle. They were hidden from Cortana's scan at the end of Halo CE.

  • 12.15.2010 6:54 PM PDT


Posted by: CTN 0452 9
If you read First Strike then you know that there were others who survived the battle. They were hidden from Cortana's scan at the end of Halo CE.

Right, but it's a retcon with an awkward standing in the series. Which, as I noted, is why Halo 2 lampshaded Johnson's continuity in Armory rather than playing it straight.
It's understandable that it might be touchy for the games themselves anyway, since it goes completely against the pseudo-cathartic spirit of the ending of HCE. I still think it's unnecessary and kind of painful (Johnson was a stock character in the first game anyway, there's no reason why they needed canonical continuity in order to bring him in as a character in Halo 2).

[Edited on 12.15.2010 7:24 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 7:24 PM PDT

What a waste....

They were found by the Red Horse Prowler.

  • 12.15.2010 7:58 PM PDT


Posted by: carby21
They did escape. They're some of the only characters to survive the entire series.


This is true.

  • 12.15.2010 8:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: CTN 0452 9
If you read First Strike then you know that there were others who survived the battle. They were hidden from Cortana's scan at the end of Halo CE.

Right, but it's a retcon with an awkward standing in the series. Which, as I noted, is why Halo 2 lampshaded Johnson's continuity in Armory rather than playing it straight.
It's understandable that it might be touchy for the games themselves anyway, since it goes completely against the pseudo-cathartic spirit of the ending of HCE. I still think it's unnecessary and kind of painful (Johnson was a stock character in the first game anyway, there's no reason why they needed canonical continuity in order to bring him in as a character in Halo 2).

How is it a retcon...and how is it awkward that Johnson survived? Did you read first strike? it explains exactly how he survived and got back to Earth...As CTN said, the pelican they were in was simply hidden from the Longsword's scanner.

  • 12.15.2010 8:51 PM PDT

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Well I killed Johnson in Halo: CE but how did he survive as in Halo 2's opening?

[Edited on 12.15.2010 9:01 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 9:01 PM PDT
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Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Well I killed Johnson in Halo: CE but how did he survive as in Halo 2's opening?

You can't really kill Johnson in CE...there were some anonymous Sergeants using his model, but the only one you see that is certainly him is the one seen in Jenkin's helmet cam.

*correction, and the one in the cutscene at the very beginning of Halo: CE.

[Edited on 12.15.2010 9:12 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 9:10 PM PDT


Posted by: Beowolfe
How is it a retcon...and how is it awkward that Johnson survived? Did you read first strike? it explains exactly how he survived and got back to Earth...As CTN said, the pelican they were in was simply hidden from the Longsword's scanner.

Perhaps "retcon" is a strong word. I said it because it was obviously HCE's intention that everyone was fried, and it's awkward because much of the power of that scene comes from how punctuated that point is.

"Just dust and echoes... Oh, and a few other people that ninja'd away in a pelican."

Remember, a LOT of the power from HCE in the first place comes from the feeling of being alone. I'm not suggesting that there's a factual contradiction, but rather an extremely strong spiritual one.



And if it WASN'T an awkward point at some level, why would Bungie lampshade hang it at the start of Halo 2?

But I guess I'm more ranting about the questionable coherence in some areas of Halo's storytelling than anything else.

[Edited on 12.15.2010 11:08 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2010 11:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: carby21
They did escape. They're some of the only characters to survive the entire series.

  • 12.15.2010 11:27 PM PDT

I think they only started having Marines with proper 'parts' in Halo 2 onwards because so many times have I seen Sgt. Johnson getting blown up, I even saw 2 of him in the same spot! Funny times...

  • 12.15.2010 11:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cowgoesmoo
Well I killed Johnson in Halo: CE but how did he survive as in Halo 2's opening?

You can't really kill Johnson in CE...there were some anonymous Sergeants using his model, but the only one you see that is certainly him is the one seen in Jenkin's helmet cam.

*correction, and the one in the cutscene at the very beginning of Halo: CE.
And the legendary ending.

  • 12.16.2010 12:54 AM PDT

I think the credited names of marines in Halo 2 onward that also appeared in Halo 1 are used to indicate that they use the same voice actor, not that they are true characters that fit in with canon. Therefore there is no official canonical explanation needed in my book.

  • 12.16.2010 2:35 AM PDT

Don't worry, you're still your mom's favorite Bnet member.

They're anonymous characters, they don't really "exist". That's why they can die in any part of the game and come back later. Like Johnson in Halo CE, who was just an anonymous character until Halo 2, where he was a main character and was hence invincible.

  • 12.16.2010 6:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: Beowolfe
How is it a retcon...and how is it awkward that Johnson survived? Did you read first strike? it explains exactly how he survived and got back to Earth...As CTN said, the pelican they were in was simply hidden from the Longsword's scanner.

Perhaps "retcon" is a strong word. I said it because it was obviously HCE's intention that everyone was fried, and it's awkward because much of the power of that scene comes from how punctuated that point is.

"Just dust and echoes... Oh, and a few other people that ninja'd away in a pelican."

Remember, a LOT of the power from HCE in the first place comes from the feeling of being alone. I'm not suggesting that there's a factual contradiction, but rather an extremely strong spiritual one.



And if it WASN'T an awkward point at some level, why would Bungie lampshade hang it at the start of Halo 2?

But I guess I'm more ranting about the questionable coherence in some areas of Halo's storytelling than anything else.


It is true that the ending cutscene would not have been as impressive IF they had included the last part, but I don't see how that changes anything. In First Strike, Cortana and the Chief didn't even find the pelican right away, it was only after they approached the "rock" that the pelican was hiding on that they noticed it.

And it wasn't awkward at all...First Strike was released in 2003, and Halo 2 was released in 2004. People who have read the books would know exactly what happened, but for the people who didn't read the novel, some will still notice the connection between Johnson and the more stock version of himself in Halo: CE. So Bungie put in something that addressed that issue. It may not have been satisfactory, but if you really wanted to know what happened, it would have been as easy as reading the novel or looking it up on halopedia.

The storytelling of the Halo games were never that strong, that's why they had novels to help them out.

  • 12.16.2010 9:07 AM PDT